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[Ram Man]

either way you look at it 4520 calories is an horrific amount. Its like eating 4 family size blocks of Chocolate....WOW

 

[griffo346]

wonders if Timmah has tried it

 

[Shorty]

I think the point Martli is trying to make is that this burger is only adding more problems to a national epidemic.

Increase in binge drinking -> Alcopops(not like it helped though).
Increase in drink driving/young drivers in accidents -> New bunch of rules
Increase in obesity -> Triple cheese/double toppings pizza and fattier burgers...

 

[Martli]

either way you look at it 4520 calories is an horrific amount. Its like eating 4 family size blocks of Chocolate....WOW

Not calories, Kilojules, they measure the same thing but it's like inches and cm.

How is it easier? Because it's slightly easier to eat one burger with four patties than it is to eat two double cheesburgers? And you miss my point....obesity is a burden for us because we are lumped with the responsibility. The reason we suffer is because, as a society, we offer these people an excuse. "Oh, obesity is society's/big corporation/industry's/television's fault." Until we take this element of society and say "you're fat because you eat like sh*t. Fix it." then the problem will continue. We shouldn't offer excuses for obesity. Solutions, yes....but don't just sit there and blame society because it's a load of crap. If anything, the social trend is heading more towards healthy eating...but obesity isn't falling.

Nowhere have I blamed society for obesity. You are bringing in stereotypes and generalisations and turning them into useless red-herrings that serve no purpose for your argument. I've explained why we suffer, and it has nothing to do with offering them excuses, it comes from the loss of resources that could otherwise be used fixing other problems. This measure from Burger King is only making it easier for these people to over-consume, even if it is only a small one. Yes, the individual makes the ultimate choice, yes the burden should lay squarely on the individual (Even though ultimately we have to pay for it), but it the takes two to tango, we can't let companies further deplete society for their own profit. There is absolutely no value creation.

 

[Ram Man]

Not calories, Kilojules, they measure the same thing but it's like inches and cm.

Its still a $hit load either way you look at it! ;-)

 

[Martli]

Its still a $hit load either way you look at it! ;-)

Yeah hahaha, but waaaay less.

 

[Bazal]

Not calories, Kilojules, they measure the same thing but it's like inches and cm.



Nowhere have I blamed society for obesity. You are bringing in stereotypes and generalisations and turning them into useless red-herrings that serve no purpose for your argument. I've explained why we suffer, and it has nothing to do with offering them excuses, it comes from the loss of resources that could otherwise be used fixing other problems. Burger King are making it easier for these people to over-consume, even if it is only small. Yes, the individual makes the ultimate choice, yes the burden should lay squarely on the individual, but it takes two to tango, we can't let companies further deplete society for their own profit. There is absolutely no value creation.

I'm not saying you have. I'm saying that the companies, and indeed this burger, are being used as something of a fall guy for what is perceived as a social problem. It's not irresponsible to market junk food...it's irresponsible IMO to blame that junk food for the problems of a few. I eat a decent amount of junk food...I also run 100m in 11 and a half seconds and play up to four sports. The difference is that I understand that if I eat junk food, I have to then take responsibility for eating properly and exercising properly at other times. Essentially, you're saying that because these obese people can't or won't understand that, Hungry Jacks should stop making this burger. There is nothing wrong with the burger itself, if eaten occasionally and within a balanced diet. The problem lies with the people who won't understand that, not the company making the burger.

 

[adamkungl]

You're completely missing the point. Yes it is their fault, but society still pays a price for it. Obesity is a growing burden for all of us. Don't you get that?

It's a small f**king step introducing this burger, but it's a small step in the wrong direction. I'm beyond arguing the point of the burger now, it only serves as an example of fast-food companies making obesity easier for people.

It isn't Hungry Jacks' job to step in the right direction fighting obesity. It's their job to feed people cheap sh*t fast food in return for cash. Why does everyone think corporations have some responsibility to make people's decisions for them and fight society's ills?

 

[madunit]

I'll tell you what's soft, people eating these f**king burgers and not tucking into a steak.

Last night I went to Hogs Breath Cafe (For the trillionth time) and got a mega cut hickory steak

Now that's good eating.

f**k this processed sh*t off the floor dressed as beef patties and the 3 slices of process sh*t off shoes dressed as ham and then passed off as bacon.

Get a steak into ya!

 

[adamkungl]

can these 2 almost identical threads be merged?

 

[madunit]

It isn't Hungry Jacks' job to step in the right direction fighting obesity. It's their job to feed people cheap sh*t fast food in return for cash. Why does everyone think corporations have some responsibility to make people's decisions for them and fight society's ills?

Exactly, at the crux of the argument, it all comes down to this.

At what point do you anti-burgerites believe people should take responsibility for their own actions?

 

[Raider_69]

If you dont like it, dont eat it, and enough people feel that way they'll pull it from their menu.
i cant say its high on my agenda but if im dreadfully hung over i might have a crack
If your not interested in eating it then dont but stop whinging about it, its not like HJ and McD's have only just started doing this, you could order this years ago if you wanted it, the difference is now its got a fixed price place on the menu

Non event

 

[Shorty]

It isn't Hungry Jacks' job to step in the right direction fighting obesity. It's their job to feed people cheap sh*t fast food in return for cash. Why does everyone think corporations have some responsibility to make people's decisions for them and fight society's ills?

What about cigarette companies and alcohol beverage companies?

can these 2 almost identical threads be merged?

Agreed.

 

[madunit]

again, Unit and Raider bring common sense to the masses

 

[madunit]

What about cigarette companies and alcohol beverage companies?

What about them?

If they had to consider people's health, they wouldn't sell their products would they.

 

[madunit]

can these 2 almost identical threads be merged?

no, cos after a few more posts, the serious argument will die and it will turn into a massive timmah fat joke thread.

 

[Martli]

Essentially, you're saying that because these obese people can't or won't understand that, Hungry Jacks should stop making this burger. There is nothing wrong with the burger itself, if eaten occasionally and within a balanced diet. The problem lies with the people who won't understand that, not the company making the burger.

Do you think they want people to eat it occasionally? No f**king way dude, they want people to eat as much as they can because that means $$$$$$. And who's going to buy them? Fat f**king idiots. People who can't think rationally about their food consumption, a growing group I might add, and one that makes up roughly 25% of New Zealanders (far from a few). Here's my entire point: these people can't f**king think logically and their stupid f**king choices f**k it up for the rest of us, so why on earth would you go to such great lengths to make a completely horrendous burger for more fat idiots to consume? A small, but symbolic step in the absolute wrong direction.

You're saying the problem lies with the people, that's fine and I agree, but I also think the problem is a) exploited and b) something this measure only makes worse and c) something society needs to fix before the burden gets too big.

 

[The Gambler]

It is greatly amusing to see that there is a a "Lose Your Belly Fat Today" banner at the bottom of this thread.

 

[Martli]

It isn't Hungry Jacks' job to step in the right direction fighting obesity. It's their job to feed people cheap sh*t fast food in return for cash. Why does everyone think corporations have some responsibility to make people's decisions for them and fight society's ills?

Corporations are a part of wider society. A society that relies on healthy members and efficient allocation of scares resources. They contribute (ie aren't solely responsible for) to bloating the system through exploiting over-eaters.

In all honesty, I would probably eat this burger. I'm more or less having this argument for the sake of arguing, rather than being really passionate about the cause. I do think obesity is a problem and I do think this sort of sh*t makes it worse, but not nearly as much as I am making it out to be. Let the debate roll.

 

[Martli]

If you dont like it, dont eat it, and enough people feel that way they'll pull it from their menu.
i cant say its high on my agenda but if im dreadfully hung over i might have a crack
If your not interested in eating it then dont but stop whinging about it, its not like HJ and McD's have only just started doing this, you could order this years ago if you wanted it, the difference is now its got a fixed price place on the menu

None event

You're right, it is a non-event, but you're also saying that if people like it then it's a good thing, despite the fact that ultimately we have to pay the clean up bill for the people who abuse it...