I have had a gutful!!!

[Kurt Angle]

You're a bit f*cking slow aren't you.

Yes. Overall the employees of the NRL would have a higher rate of indiscretions than the 'normal' Australian organisation.

The same way they would be very low for employees taking sick days off for period pain.

The NRL does not have a employee base that resembles 'normal' Australia.

To use such a comparison would probably mean I'm really f*cking stupid and I'd probably call myself KurtNRG and think contested scrums was appealing if that was the case.

I'm a bit more alert than that, and a more accurate peer would be the solitary professional RU team in NZ, the All Blacks.

And compared to them, we do rather well.

 

[Ali's Choice]

You're a bit f*cking slow aren't you.

Yes. Overall the employees of the NRL would have a higher rate of indiscretions than the 'normal' Australian organisation.

The same way they would be very low for employees taking sick days off for period pain.

The NRL does not have a employee base that resembles 'normal' Australia.

To use such a comparison would probably mean I'm really f*cking stupid and I'd probably call myself KurtNRG and think contested scrums was appealing if that was the case.

I'm a bit more alert than that, and a more accurate peer would be the solitary professional RU team in NZ, the All Blacks.

And compared to them, we do rather well.

You are a strange, spiteful poster who makes little sense. Your ramblings are both off-topic, and overtly aggressive.

In your last post you said the NRL was "run of the mill" when it came to behaviour. Yet when I asked you politely to clarify, you now say that the NRL's rate of indiscretions would be "higher than the 'normal' Australian organisation".

You are not chatting coherently.

Don't engage with me again on this forum. Okay?

 

[Kurt Angle]

You are a strange, spiteful poster who makes little sense. Your ramblings are both off-topic, and overtly aggressive.

Clearly on topic, much like coops shaming you on other forums, it may be your modus operandi to run off on tangents when the heat gets a little too much for you.

However, you hold less weight here than on a rugby forum. Know your place as the bottom rung and your time here will be easier.

In your last post you said the NRL was "run of the mill" when it came to behaviour. Yet when I asked you politely to clarify, you now say that the NRL's rate of indiscretions would be "higher than the 'normal' Australian organisation".

Yes, run of the mill when it came to an organisation that was full of young males with lots of money, lots of free time and women throwing themselves at them.

The closest broadsection sector I can think to compare is the mining industry and the NRL compares favourably to them, NRL would be run of the mill and the mining industry would be in All Blacks territory in disgracing themselves.

To broaden this out further for an entire population such as Australia, then the NRL would have a slightly higher level. Mainly because they are young males, not because of the culture of RL.

Reverting back to a cultural centricity of young males, the NRL is good, or run-of-the-mill once again.

Many iterations of thinking chump. If you had the cognitive ability you'd follow our game. Instead, with a much limited intellect, you follow the repetitive, one dimensional game of RU.

Know your place, you follow RU, we follow RL. We are superior to you.

DO not question us, you are beneath us.

You are not chatting coherently.

Don't engage with me again on this forum. Okay?

Ahem, you may be posting on this thread, but it is hosted on my internet. I don't request permission.

 

[Ali's Choice]

Clearly on topic

I must have a different definition of what constitutes being "on topic".

I'm not sure how going on about Rugby and the All Blacks is in any way relevant to this thread. In every one of your posts, you've tried to make this discussion a Rugby vs RL s**t fight.

Pathetic. Grow up. The world has moved on, maybe you should to?

 

[Kurt Angle]

I must have a different definition of what constitutes being "on topic".

Yes, and like all thinks that you conclude yourself, you are wrong. The topic has been mention of the public disclosure of NRL players' indiscretions.

However your particular contribution to the thread has been to assert a culture of alcohol abuse of mysogynist behaviour that is culturally inherant to Rugby League.

You want to bring up these two point and not defend them, then piss off back to your forum with the other cowards.

I'm not sure how going on about Rugby and the All Blacks is in any way relevant to this thread. In every one of your posts, you've tried to make this discussion a Rugby vs RL s**t fight.

Pathetic. Grow up. The world has moved on, maybe you should to?

The All Blacks are by all means relevant.

As my previous comparison, how many NRL players would take a sick day because of period pain?

Less than the 'normal' Australian organisation I gather. Now is it a just statement to say that the NRL offers wonderful health and support programmes because of such low incidents of sick days... or more to do with the fact of having no female employers on their playing roster.

So rational analysis says to bring up like-for-like population sample.

All Male
All Young
Most with high incomes.

That's what we are looking at.

You've brought in points of "Alcohol abuse and mysogyny". These are qualitative points, meaning you have a cultural or value based reference to what a body of young, rich men should be like.

I'll assume your point of reference is NZ RU. If you want to remove that point of reference, then clearly state "The All Blacks are a much greater disgrace culturally than the NRL" and we can move on.

You haven't as of yet, so your cultural reference point of the all blacks is the comparitive in which to judge what you see as the NRL's failings.

My response has been to point out that All Blacks are 3 times more likely to commit an indiscretion than an NRL player.

If you didn't want the code war stuff, you wouldn't be here. However I'm sure it's a bluff indicating a pose of a higher moral ground.

It may work on the planet punt-monkey simpletons, but its clear after 3 pages you are way out of your league here.

Log off, return to planet rugby where you may be viewed as a big gun in terms of trolling.

Nothing good in regards to your self-esteem will come from your presence here.

 

[Ali's Choice]

how many NRL players would take a sick day because of period pain?

Less than the 'normal' Australian organisation I gather. .

:lol:

Another wonderfully on-topic comment that has raised the level of discourse on this thread. Well done.

 

[Kurt Angle]

So you don't think that claiming the NRL is a young male-centric organisation is staying on topic?

:lol:

And you're planet-rugby's finest mind?

:lol: :lol:

 

[Ali's Choice]

And you're planet-rugby's finest mind?

:lol: :lol:

Once again, trying to make this a Rugby vs Rugby League s**t fight.

Pathetic.

 

[Kurt Angle]

Not at all, there are a number of RU types I have unmost respect for and can maintain civil discourse.

A known troll however who asserts straight away that a culture of alcohol abuse and mysogyny are inherant to the NRL won't be on the receiving ends of those attributes.

You can't defend your argument because they are neither valid, nor do you have the cognitive firepower to counter your betters.

This is no Rugby vs Union sh*tfight Ali.

This is a Human vs unter-mensch argument, and the humans here are embarressing you.

 

[Ali's Choice]

Thanks for ruining a decent thread Kurt.

Well done, some top, off-topic trolling.

You are boring now. I look forward to chatting with you again.

 

[macavity]

Thanks for ruining a decent thread Kurt.

Well done, some top, off-topic trolling.

you were the one trolling, and now you have been utterly dominated by a mungo.

 

[Mary]

I think this point deserves emphasis.

So rational analysis says to bring up like-for-like population sample.

All Male
All Young
Most with high incomes.

It's misleading to compare NRL players statistically to the rest of society. A much fairer comparison would be to compare them with other codes. There is no statistical evidence to suggest that NRL players are worse behaved than players from other sporting codes.

Despite the hoo-ha, there is little evidence to suggest that player misbehaviour is turning supporters away from the game. Crowd figures suggest that this year, the game still experienced strong growth in comparison to other codes despite player misbeahviour being substantially worse than in previous years.

Had a gutful? Look past the sensationalist media, do a bit of research and have a look at all the good things Rugby League players do for the community.

 

[Timmah]

Ali's Choice shows her lack of intelligence by her limited quoting of the very good points made about rugby.

Whinge about off-topic all you like, if you want to talk off-field discretions prepare to have your own sport scrutinised.

Your behaviour on here suggests the NRL is directly at fault for actions of criminals and alleged criminals. You could not be more wrong.

 

[Ali's Choice]

Ali's Choice shows her lack of intelligence by her limited quoting of the very good points made about rugby.

Whinge about off-topic all you like, if you want to talk off-field discretions prepare to have your own sport scrutinised.

Your behaviour on here suggests the NRL is directly at fault for actions of criminals and alleged criminals. You could not be more wrong.

I never said the NRL is to blame for the behaviour of some of its players. I have utmost respect for David Gallop, who I think has one of the toughest jobs in pro sport. I blamed alcohol, and to a lesser extent the culture of a few of the clubs.

And I'm more than happy to chat about poor behaviour exhibited by players from other codes. Of course Rugby has player issues, as well as AFL and soccer. However, I think it is unhelpful to excuse any behaviour from NRL players just because similar behaviour is seen from athletes in other codes. That excuses such behaviour and fosters a culture of inaction.

 

[Kurt Angle]

I see the swelling of his embaressment gland took overnight to heal after the pummelling it took yesterday.

Welcome back chump.

I never said the NRL is to blame for the behaviour of some of its players. I have utmost respect for David Gallop, who I think has one of the toughest jobs in pro sport. I blamed alcohol,

Then you should be airing your greivances on a pro-alcohol forums.

and to a lesser extent the culture of a few of the clubs.

Why RL clubs? You've made it quite clear on planet-of-the-apes.com you're not a fan of RL, your interest only arises when the warriors do well and then it's nothing more than jingoistic tub-thumping over a box score.

And the point that was clear yesterday is that the problem isn't a mixture of alcohol and RL players.

It's a mixture of alcohol and young males with lots of free time and money.

It's a mixture that see the same issues risen here endemic with the mining industry. As a Perth resident, which is now CUB central of planet earth, seeing 19 year old technical apprentices on $150,000 coming back to have 4 day benders on ice and alcohol on their week off, I see greater indiscretions amongst them.

Thus whatever issues arising amongst NRL players is symptomatic of something else. Something that is more entrenched amongst the wider Australian community and its young men.

The NRL is not a body with the mandate to fix it, however it can be a body that can aid solving it.

What irks people here is that the NRL is used as a whipping boy while other bodies such as the AFL and ARU escape such scrutiny.

Rightly or wrongly, most RL fans do not see equitable treatment amongst players of various codes.

And I'm more than happy to chat about poor behaviour exhibited by players from other codes. Of course Rugby has player issues, as well as AFL and soccer. However, I think it is unhelpful to excuse any behaviour from NRL players just because similar behaviour is seen from athletes in other codes. That excuses such behaviour and fosters a culture of inaction.

The wider Australian RL populace does not, and has never supporteed the actions of the likes of Latu, Myles, Mason, and all those found to have committed vile acts. These are incidents which we condemn.

However we have also seen public trial-by-media on the likes of Inglis, Heighington and Lafranchi which no other code EVER receives. This is the area that NRL fans bring into comparison with other codes.

There is never broad sentiment to excuse the NRL players of acts they are guilty of, just the ill-treatment they receive before any facts are established.

You are here on the same wave of sentiment of prejudging NRL players.

 

[Ali's Choice]

However we have also seen public trial-by-media on the likes of Inglis, Heighington and Lafranchi which no other code EVER receives. This is the area that NRL fans bring into comparison with other codes.

I think you are being a bit paranoid.

Rugby League is the most popular pro football comp in Sydney. Yet it surprises you when the media look to sell copy by covering off-field incidents involving RL players?

You cannot compare the media's attention of RL players to Rugby, because Rugby is a minority sport in Sydney. In NZ, All Blacks suffer the same trial-by-media. An example of this is Adam Thomson's treatment 12 months ago following an alleged domestic assault.

Poor player behaviour by AFL players is vigorously covered by Melbourne media. To the same degree, if not more than what you see in Sydney in relation to NRL players. Ask Brendon Fevola, Alan Didak or Wayne Carey if poor behaviour by AFL players sparks any media interest outside NSW.

 

[Kurt Angle]

I think you are being a bit paranoid.

You think that because it's the default position of RU fans, akin to a game of chinese whispers for geniuss.

Rugby League is the most popular pro football comp in Sydney. Yet it surprises you when the media look to sell copy by covering off-field incidents involving RL players?

It's not the biggest code in Melbourne, where some incidents have made front page news. On broader national based publications like the Australia, national TV sporting shows and national programmes on the ABC it is clear RL gets highlighted, even though AFL players incur higher incidents of indiscretion than RL.

You cannot compare the media's attention of RL players to Rugby, because Rugby is a minority sport in Sydney. In NZ, All Blacks suffer the same trial-by-media. An example of this is Adam Thomson's treatment 12 months ago following an alleged domestic assault.

There are cases of judges supressing the names of All Blacks, this does not happen to RL players in Australia.

Poor player behaviour by AFL players is vigorously covered by Melbourne media. To the same degree, if not more than what you see in Sydney in relation to NRL players. Ask Brendon Fevola, Alan Didak or Wayne Carey if poor behaviour by AFL players sparks any media interest outside NSW.

:lol:

You must be parrotting the claims of BiV to make such an igorant claim.

Fevola did in one night at the Brownlows what the entire NRL did in 2009, he had three days of coverage, the female journalist at hand was instructed to hush up and he has since been moved to Brisbane where he is now a sporting hero going through rehabilitation.

I live in Perth, and AFL town, and there is no way they get the same as RL. The Perth newspaper has more bad news on RL than AFL, and this is to sell to a Perth reader base. A friend of mine dated a West Coast Eagles, and by comparison, they have a Newcastle Knights culture.

Ben Cousins is a troubled hero, Andrew Embley is a decent bloke, Carr is a little hot tempered.

However the Bulldogs with virtually no roster left from 2004 still suffer a gang rape stigma.

 

[Ali's Choice]

There are cases of judges supressing the names of All Blacks, this does not happen to RL players in Australia.

Name supression is much more common in NZ than Australia. Your issue is with the Australian judicial system, not with Rugby as a sport.

I live in Perth, and AFL town, and there is no way they get the same as RL. The Perth newspaper has more bad news on RL than AFL, and this is to sell to a Perth reader base. A friend of mine dated a West Coast Eagles, and by comparison, they have a Newcastle Knights culture.

Ben Cousins is a troubled hero

I would argue that Ben Cousins received more attention (remember he broke no laws) than any Rugby League player has in the past two years. Cousins was the victim of a concerted, saturated media attack.

I have no argument with you that the WC Eagles culture is septic. It clearly is. Their party culture and off-field player misbehavior issues are well documented.

Fevola did in one night at the Brownlows what the entire NRL did in 2009

Exaggerate much?

 

[Kurt Angle]

Name supression is much more common in NZ than Australia. Your issue is with the Australian judicial system, not with Rugby as a sport.

It was never with union as a sport, my issue has always been equitable treatment. If name supression is common cause its a structural coincidence, but the outcome is the same.

I would argue that Ben Cousins received more attention (remember he broke no laws) than any Rugby League player has in the past two years. Cousins was the victim of a concerted, saturated media attack.

He has not received as much national coverage as Greb Bird. He was not front page nation wide like Greg Inglis.

As I sid, I live in Perth and the media here paid more attention to the Matthew Johns / 4 corners saga than it did Ben Cousins.

I have no argument with you that the WC Eagles culture is septic. It clearly is. Their party culture and off-field player misbehavior issues are well documented.

Yet no media outlet gives them the same treatment as say the Bulldogs.

Doesn't sound equitable to me.

Exaggerate much?

I work in Subiaco, my company has some former West Coast Eagles as clients and a former Fremantle Docker as an employee.

I am privy to more then media releases.

And no, I am not exaggerating. However much to back my claims.

(It is alleged) Fevola sexually assaulted two women, assaulted at least 3 men, urinated in public and destroyed private property all on Brownlow night.

This would not escape any attention (or in Rebecca Wilson's case, exaggeration) within RL.

One noticable media response was to compare Fevolas behaviour to a Dally M night, bringing in the RL reference, even though the Dlly M night was alcohol free.

 

[Ali's Choice]

Kurt Angle,

I'm not sure what we are debating anymore.

We both agree that there are some behavioural issues surrounding Rugby League. We both agree that nothing can really be done to remedy this. You, because in your oppinion Rugby League players are no worse behaved than any other men of their compartive age and income. Me because I fear people like yourself would prefer to blame the media, police victimization and even other codes rather than address the issues in Rugby League itself.

Why don't we move on?