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I Love Chad Townsend Club

YTSharks

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If a "half decent" half kicked well most games, they would actually be a good half.

People that think good game management is "just his job" but don't think it is good when he does it well must not actually watch many halfbacks (and even fewer 5/8s).

Very few can manage a game very well for most a game, and few get repeat sets and most their kicks right in a game (and a season). His defense as a half is well above most others, but that is gravy on top ("standard" halves defence is pretty poor, actually).

Frawley, Marshall-King, Brooks, Sezer, Croft, Jacks, Nikorima, Hunt, Moses.... all first grade (ish) halves this year not anywhere near as good at kicking or managing a game as Townsend. Would all the Townsend critics seriously trade him for any of those players? Are they not "half decent"? Is the standard for "half decent" halfback that you must be a 300 game veteran with several premierships and an elite player? Because that doesn't seem to be the standard for "half decent" in other positions.

Yes, Pearce, Johnson, Cleary, Taylor are probably similar to Townsend (and better in some areas, though some noticeably worse in others) and Reynolds, Thurston, Cronk and DCE are clearly better, but if Nikorima produced a kicking game like that Broncos fans would be in rapture. And he is "decent" enough to be halfback of a top 8 (currently, just...) side.
I would trade him for Hunt, Brooks and probably Moses out of that lot. The others are lot less experienced than Chad, or Sezer who is not good.

Over the course of the season I don’t think he’s game management has been good. Compare his game management to Brooks for example. Less try and line break assists (Chad 6 and 3, Brooks 9 and 14) and less forced drop outs 12 to 21 and Chad leads the comp in most 20 metre taps given. I’ll be fair he has missed 9 less tackles. This isn’t to mention how many kicks go down the fullbacks throat b There’d be plenty of factors that contribute to those differences, but statiscally, who would you say is the better game manager?

I just don’t think he’s good enough to be a dominate half in a premiership contending side and that’s my main dissatisfaction. Of course, I’d be more than happy to be proven wrong, I just don’t see it happening.
 

chewsta

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He was better, defended well except one miss that ended up in a held up situation, so he got lucky there. Still had trouble finding the grass on his kicks but chased well.
Biggest improvement was there was zero sideways shit. He either caught and passed as quickly as possible. Or he ran forwards before looking for options. Gave everyone outside him more space and had the defence in two minds.
Well in Chadley.
 

wibble

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I would trade him for Hunt, Brooks and probably Moses out of that lot. The others are lot less experienced than Chad, or Sezer who is not good.

Over the course of the season I don’t think he’s game management has been good. Compare his game management to Brooks for example. Less try and line break assists (Chad 6 and 3, Brooks 9 and 14) and less forced drop outs 12 to 21 and Chad leads the comp in most 20 metre taps given. I’ll be fair he has missed 9 less tackles. This isn’t to mention how many kicks go down the fullbacks throat b There’d be plenty of factors that contribute to those differences, but statiscally, who would you say is the better game manager?

I just don’t think he’s good enough to be a dominate half in a premiership contending side and that’s my main dissatisfaction. Of course, I’d be more than happy to be proven wrong, I just don’t see it happening.

Well we can still quibble about those 3 and that would still make Townsend in the top half of halves, so probably "decent".

Moylan and Graham (when fit) contribute a lot more to repeat sets this year (Sharks are great this year at getting repeat sets as a team, despite the narrative that we are poor at kicking...) and Brooks is having his best year in first grade, so those stats don't entirely tell who is the better manager of games, though I agree Townsend is more experienced and should be better for that. I know Townsend can stand up to grand final pressure, I don't know that about Brooks, so I wouldn't make that swap, but if it is close, surely both are at least "half decent".

Moses is more dynamic when in form but has plenty of bad games and is also unproven in big games, and Hunt is great most of the time, and a disaster under big moment pressure.

I actually don't think Pearce is any better on the big stage and Taylor (despite a lot of upside) has lots of errors and unproven also, so I wouldn't personally swap Townsend for them either, but I can see their plus points and could see why many would think they are better. Johnson I think is clearly better, but not as a game manager so you'd want Townsend if your 5/8 can't manage a game. Cleary seems great but has only a handful of games experience really, and was pretty quiet on the big stage, so I'd like to see him grow for a few years before really judging (love his potential though, would swap him, but maybe not for this finals series...).

Obviously I rate Reynolds, Thurston, Cronk and DCE as the best half backs in the game (as most would, I guess).

But even if we agreed that each of these players are better than Townsend, that still surely puts Townsend in the decent category. Heighington (who I love, by the way) was surely behind 50 or so other back rowers in the game (and yes, I know there are more of them) but wouldn't we all say he was at least "half decent"?

I think the criteria by which Townsend is judged (many comment on him being "terrible") is so much higher than for other players. Even given that the halfback "owns" the result, we have done alright with him as halfback.

And he was the half back in a premiership winning side, so clearly he can be.

Sure, we had Ennis, Maloney and Barba. That means we need Townsend AND the rest of the spine to reproduce a premiership winning effort, not that Townsend needs to suddenly become Thurston.
 
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I’m not on either of the two bandwagons that are populated on this forum at the moment. I’ll call both of the targets as I see it.
Today on Chad:
He
Was
Really
Good
 

President Trump

Juniors
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Good game from The Chad today. I thought his bombs seemed to go a bit higher and be more challenging for the Storm backs then previously.
 

YTSharks

Juniors
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Well we can still quibble about those 3 and that would still make Townsend in the top half of halves, so probably "decent".

Moylan and Graham (when fit) contribute a lot more to repeat sets this year (Sharks are great this year at getting repeat sets as a team, despite the narrative that we are poor at kicking...) and Brooks is having his best year in first grade, so those stats don't entirely tell who is the better manager of games, though I agree Townsend is more experienced and should be better for that. I know Townsend can stand up to grand final pressure, I don't know that about Brooks, so I wouldn't make that swap, but if it is close, surely both are at least "half decent".

Moses is more dynamic when in form but has plenty of bad games and is also unproven in big games, and Hunt is great most of the time, and a disaster under big moment pressure.

I actually don't think Pearce is any better on the big stage and Taylor (despite a lot of upside) has lots of errors and unproven also, so I wouldn't personally swap Townsend for them either, but I can see their plus points and could see why many would think they are better. Johnson I think is clearly better, but not as a game manager so you'd want Townsend if your 5/8 can't manage a game. Cleary seems great but has only a handful of games experience really, and was pretty quiet on the big stage, so I'd like to see him grow for a few years before really judging (love his potential though, would swap him, but maybe not for this finals series...).

Obviously I rate Reynolds, Thurston, Cronk and DCE as the best half backs in the game (as most would, I guess).

But even if we agreed that each of these players are better than Townsend, that still surely puts Townsend in the decent category. Heighington (who I love, by the way) was surely behind 50 or so other back rowers in the game (and yes, I know there are more of them) but wouldn't we all say he was at least "half decent"?

I think the criteria by which Townsend is judged (many comment on him being "terrible") is so much higher than for other players. Even given that the halfback "owns" the result, we have done alright with him as halfback.

And he was the half back in a premiership winning side, so clearly he can be.

Sure, we had Ennis, Maloney and Barba. That means we need Townsend AND the rest of the spine to reproduce a premiership winning effort, not that Townsend needs to suddenly become Thurston.
No doubt Townsend is a half decent player and to be honest I thought he was near our best for the first half of the season all things being considered. I found his last month of so before last night to be terrible and the thread I had made was a combination of expressing that, frustration at losing a very winnable game against Broncos where he didn’t contribute and a bit of tongue in cheek play on this forum. My main concern over that time that he was that horrible and we didn’t give the young kid a go when the opportunity was there, instead accepting mediocrity. Hopefully last night is a platform for him to build on because he was very solid.
 

1990 sharkie

Juniors
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If a "half decent" half kicked well most games, they would actually be a good half.

People that think good game management is "just his job" but don't think it is good when he does it well must not actually watch many halfbacks (and even fewer 5/8s).

Very few can manage a game very well for most a game, and few get repeat sets and most their kicks right in a game (and a season). His defense as a half is well above most others, but that is gravy on top ("standard" halves defence is pretty poor, actually).

Frawley, Marshall-King, Brooks, Sezer, Croft, Jacks, Nikorima, Hunt, Moses.... all first grade (ish) halves this year not anywhere near as good at kicking or managing a game as Townsend. Would all the Townsend critics seriously trade him for any of those players? Are they not "half decent"? Is the standard for "half decent" halfback that you must be a 300 game veteran with several premierships and an elite player? Because that doesn't seem to be the standard for "half decent" in other positions.

Yes, Pearce, Johnson, Cleary, Taylor are probably similar to Townsend (and better in some areas, though some noticeably worse in others) and Reynolds, Thurston, Cronk and DCE are clearly better, but if Nikorima produced a kicking game like that Broncos fans would be in rapture. And he is "decent" enough to be halfback of a top 8 (currently, just...) side.

I disagree his defence isnt well above anyone. He is 5th for missed tackles so that means 11 other halfbacks are better defenders than him or atleast hide so better defenders do the tackling.

Frawley and Marshall king are fighting over the same spot so ones a reserve grader, marshall king has more potential than Chad and he is the one who has kept frawley in reserves. Brooks,sezer, hunt and moses are all better than Chad. Croft and Jack's are in reserve grade and nikorima had a better running game.

The ones you said are similar? How are any of those worse in an aspect compared to Chad?

He was decent in 2016 because he was making up the numbers. Never won us a game
Last year against the dogs we scored 8 points when he was our half and maloney was out. He is a handbrake in attack big time
 

MilkShark

First Grade
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Frawley, Marshall-King, Brooks, Sezer, Croft, Jacks, Nikorima, Hunt, Moses..

Comparing Townsend with lots of NRL experience to Frawley, Marshal King, Croft and Jacks doesn't say alot for Chad.

I'll take Brooks, Nikorima, Hunt and Moses over Chad.
 

Mr Angry

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Just coming into his prime, has a good number of games under his belt, did a tour of NZ, coming up to his third consecutive finals series.

Forwards must go forward first.
 

Quigs

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And why the f**k don't we kick for the sideline after getting a penalty when we are about 35 metres out.

I know I ended up as an old front rower of absolutely no repute and never represented at anything but I always thought it was an advantage to restart say 20 metres out than taking a tap restart 40 metres out.
 

Card Shark

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We attack better starting the set from deeper.

Too much forward hit ups when we get near the line.
 

txta2

First Grade
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It's clunky when Wade isn't there. He straightens it up
If Wade doesn't play they are phuked because Chad doesn't see what's in front
 
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