I thought i'd post this, better late then never

[cheese]

lol i'd like to see those guys play eruption or surfing with the alien.

Hair guitarist were the most technical out of any genre. Forget about the lyrics etc and clothing these guys could seriously kick arse on the guitar.

lol x infinite

HSC kids play surfing with the alien.

How many can play bepop though??!!! ...answer = f**kall/none

 

[Ron Jeremy]

lol x infinite

HSC kids play surfing with the alien.

How many can play bepop though??!!! ...answer = f**kall/none

lol

Blues and Jimi i mastered at 14. Blues is predominately scales based. Hair tunes use plenty of scales as well as other techniques which blues players DONT AND CAN'T USE, plus it's done at alot faster pace = better guitarists

Blues is intoduced to kids on there first lesson

Almost anyone with a years experience on the guitar, do you play guitar? seriously

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Also, what would you consider the easiest part of surfing with the alien to play?

Didn't see you mention Eruption though..although SWA is 3 times longer piece to play with similar techniques....

 

[cheese]

lol

Blues and Jimi i mastered at 14. Blues is predominately scales based. Hair tunes use plenty of scales as well as other techniques which blues players DONT AND CAN'T USE, plus it's done at alot faster pace = better guitarists

Blues is intoduced to kids on there first lesson

Almost anyone with a years experience on the guitar, do you play guitar? seriously

This is the dumbest thing I have ever read/heard. You'd be laughed out of the con or any music institution on your first day.

Just because someone learns a blues scale on their 1st lesson, it doesn't mean they've fuggin mastered it. Jazz harmony is a fugload more complex than c0ckrock.

plus it's done at alot faster pace = better guitarists

lol

 

[cheese]

If satriani/vai, and evh is the pinnacle ....why is it never taught at respected institutes?

It's because it's what kids play, before they really learn how to play. So many little wankers walk into the con thinking they know all about guitar only to be humiliated and humbled by just how bad they are when it comes to applying their supposed chops in real time improvisation.


And If the above is the pinnacle, why do they never get gigs with worlds best musicians??

Why do they never play with the brecker bros, richard bona, christian mcbride, herbie hancock etc etc

Answer = because the worlds best musicians like to associate with other worlds best musicians.


Any old shyt guitarist can chuck on the distortion pedal and appear better than they really are. It masks your technical floors like no other.

 

[cheese]

Ftr i don't think satch and vai are shyt.

They're virtuosic at what they do.

But what they do isn't the pinnacle. The greatest guitarists gravitate to the most harmonically advanced genre. Jazz.

It's like little pre-teeners who think slap bass is the most advanced bass technique.

 

[HevyDevy]

The reason Vai doesn't play with those guys is that he doesn't play jazz - quite simple really.

I mean, let's take Sting for example who consistently uses the world's top musicians. He's never goin to use Vai because his genre is different. However, Vai has played with some of those aforementioned elite jazz musicians before, namely when with Frank Zappa.

 

[cheese]

The reason Vai doesn't play with those guys is that he doesn't play jazz - quite simple really.

Bingo.

Vai's a freak, but he plays in the premier league. He's not even in the NRL

 

[HevyDevy]

You've either missed my point or deliberately chosen to overlook it.

1) I agree that jazz is generally where the best musicians are, but:
2) When it comes to music theory and general ability, Vai is a rare talent. Doesn't mean you have to like what he does, but he is an absolute freak. He chooses not to play jazz. If he wanted to, not a problem. He proved that with Zappa.

I assume you're talking freestyle jazz - there is plenty of rubbish jazz out there.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

This is the dumbest thing I have ever read/heard. You'd be laughed out of the con or any music institution on your first day.

Just because someone learns a blues scale on their 1st lesson, it doesn't mean they've fuggin mastered it. Jazz harmony is a fugload more complex than c0ckrock.



lol

LOL at music institutions, they teach people contempory music, not rock or metal.

You didn't answer my question in regards to SFA and eruption?

how is it

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Bingo.

Vai's a freak, but he plays in the premier league. He's not even in the NRL

Mate i think you've been studying too much Jewish rock :lol: you haven't got a clue.

How many people has Vai influenced? he would wipe the floor with any of your favourite guitarists:lol:

 

[cheese]

You've either missed my point or deliberately chosen to overlook it.

1) I agree that jazz is generally where the best musicians are, but:
2) When it comes to music theory and general ability, Vai is a rare talent. Doesn't mean you have to like what he does, but he is an absolute freak. He chooses not to play jazz. If he wanted to, not a problem. He proved that with Zappa.

Playing fusion, one chord vamps with zappa hardly proves he could cut it with the mike sterns of the world.

90% of the notes the guy plays are hammer-ons. Weak. You can't 'cheat' like that when you don't have a distortion pedal.

But yes. He is very f**king good at what he does. I just can't see how he or EVH can be called the best guitarists ever. Best at what they do, yes, but they don't touch the real guitar giants. The guys who don't rely on hammer ons, distortion pedals, and whammy bars.

 

[cheese]

LOL at music institutions, they teach people contempory music, not rock or metal.

nfi.

the good ones teach jazz theory.

there's no such thing as metal theory. it's power chord city.

You didn't answer my question in regards to SFA and eruption?

how is it

lol

"oh I can play, "Always with Me, Always with You", i know everything there is to know about guitar, blues, and theory"

 

[HevyDevy]

I never said best 'ever', but certainly among the elite.

Zappa wrote some unbelievable music. And with Vinnie on drums, well, it's all pretty special.

 

[cheese]

Mate i think you've been studying too much Jewish rock :lol:

It's a pizz take at ol' mate millers, dopey.

you haven't got a clue.

You've got me there, eddie. Your superior knowledge has really got me f*cked

How many people has Vai influenced?

How many people has Billy Joel influenced ...How many has Oscar Peterson influenced?

Dopey merkin.

he would wipe the floor with any of your favourite guitarists:lol:

the wanka could use his 'sweat bands' ....they no doubt make him play fast ..because "faster pace = better guitarists"

 

[cheese]

Richard Bona showing more chops and musicality on the bass than 99% of the guitar heroes mentioned in this thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5JUnCveLTQ

Now thats virtuosic.

 

[cheese]

I never said best 'ever', but certainly among the elite.

Zappa wrote some unbelievable music. And with Vinnie on drums, well, it's all pretty special.

Yeah man, I agree ,,,Zappa was definitely special.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

nfi.

the goods one teach jazz theory.

there's no such thing as metal theory. it's power chord city.



lol

"oh I can play, "Always with Me, Always with You", i know everything there is to know about guitar, blues, and theory"

No, they teach contempory music. Jazz and blues are mainstream styles, why would they teach metal?

I've played every style there is, including country, and I rate country harder to play then Jazz.

What makes Jazz so hard? tell me? i never had a problem learning it?

Why aren't well known bands recruiting jazz guitarists then? i mean? it beats playing in local clubs? and i'm sure if they were that good they wouldn't have a problem lowering there level of playing? lol

As for metal and 'power chord city' NFI

and lol at always with me always with you the easiest song Satch ever recorded, why am i not surprised that you know how to play this song. Tell me, what was the hardest part of this song for you to play?

Now you go and learn Surfing with the Alien and eruption.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Richard Bona showing more chops and musicality on the bass than 99% of the guitar heroes mentioned in this thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5JUnCveLTQ

Now thats virtuosic.

lol if you say so:lol:

feeling

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Yeah man, I agree ,,,Zappa was definitely special.

you do realise that Frank Zappa once paid tribute to Eddie V by thanking him for reinventing the guitar?

:lol:

And Vai also played with him earlier on his career

lol