I thought i'd post this, better late then never

[cheese]

It's hardly rocket science compared to Vai, Malmstein, VH etc pieces i know.

Keep telling yourself how complex it is though, the fact of the matter it isn't!:lol:

Keep telling yourself that triadic harmony and pentatonics at speed are more complex than soloing fluently over fast moving progressions. It's clear as f**k that you have nfi.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Who ...Peterson or blokes like Stern?

You can't be fuggin serious? ...every aspiring jazz musician(you know, the muzo's that can actually play) is influenced by these guys

lol at jazz musicians, what makes them so good again? because it's 'classy' ?

I was actually refering to Billy Joel. And those blokes aren't a pimple on the arse in comparison to Vai, Satch etc

Changed the way guitar is played today? ...his 'sound' barely lasted a decade. It's done and dusted. Looks like hindsight shows the wise ol' zappa was off the mark.

All his techniques are still used very much today. And lol at the Zappa comment, clutching at straws with that effort mate.

Popular with who? Influecing who? Ron Jeremy from league unlimited? ....it sure as f**k isn't influencing any of sydneys top young players. You know, the guys who actually make a living playing guitar.

LOL at Sydneys top young players:lol: :lol: BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Who did he influence? please do i really need to answer this:lol:

Yeah man ..distortion + whammy + hammer on + one chord vamp = variety plus

since when was distortion a technique? you also forget the scale progressions, sweep picking, appagios, tapping, combinations of slow and fast picking, harmonic tapping, harmonic bombing etc but i'm sure you can do all of this right? lol

Zappa was avant garde .....Zappa was a fuggin great player. Steve Vai and EVH are also great technicians and players. Zappa owned them both though in terms of all round musicianship.

Sure was. However Zappa learnt alot from Eddie's playing believe it or not.

Zappa attracted better musicians to his projects. Says it all really.

Basically yes:lol: thank you. And another thing was? the age of Vai and Eddie when they were accomplishing their success. Hell eddie was barel 18 when KISS tried to sign him up so they could piss off Frehley.

Of which defined him as a rock guitarist. A lightweight genre in the musical heirachy

You proclaim your some musical genius, yet haven't actually wonder why the Andy Summers quote is quite significant? hmmmm

Sure you did ronny. You'd never even heard of players mentioned in this thread.

Ok:lol:

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Keep telling yourself that triadic harmony and pentatonics at speed are more complex than soloing fluently over fast moving progressions. It's clear as f**k that you have nfi.

Can you play at those speeds? no!

Clear as f**k that either do you. It's well-documented what Eddie and Vai have done for the guitar, yet you dont seem to realise this.

They incorperated every guitar technique avaliable and at various speeds integrated it with such exectuition and deliever that made them so unqiue.

yeah you probably give me the musicianship bs the greatest cop out excuse for mediocre guitarists since feeling but the facts are: one is considered the most influential guitarist of all time, winner of countless awards including i think 10 guitarist of the year awayds, sold millions of albums and music books etc

You also realise that Eddie V was classically trained by his father a classical musician.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

And for the record classical sh*ts all over Jazz and everything else including my style.

 

[cheese]

They incorperated every guitar technique avaliable and at various speeds integrated it with such exectuition and deliever that made them so unqiue.

lol ..worded like a true dope .......""""" plus it's done at alot faster pace = better guitarists""""""" lol

yeah you probably give me the musicianship bs the greatest cop out excuse for mediocre guitarists since feeling but the facts are:

Yeah man ..musicianship is a real cop out. How f*cked was that Miles Davis character. How dare he focus on tone and space. What a mediocrity. He'll never be remembered.

one is considered the most influential guitarist of all time

The ironic thing is that Jimi Hendrix takes this crown with ease. A player that you seem to enjoy to rubbish. A player, who like Miles, tried to make his instrument sing.

You also realise that Eddie V was classically trained by his father a classical musician.

He must be the greatest guitarist ever then!!!!!!!

 

[cheese]

George Benson is the fuggin king

Solo starts 1:35 ...carving by the late 2:00's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn27IcAapPI

Thats a guitar lesson right there ....The sick merkin is feeling every note, and hearing it before he puts it on the fret board .......How dare he apply musicality to his playing though.

 

[hillbillyjazzer1954]

imo and i stress it is only my opinion.....brian setzer is better than all the guitarists mentioned......for technical ability, feel, warmth and just plain fun.....i will admit that i am biased though

check this out, the first half is his Rockabilly Trio and the second half is his big band

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zzT92BmDu4

and from the stray cats era

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DEKM7-L-9A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR9m95PDK58&feature=related

 

[LESStar58]

Nice form, hillbillyjazzer! I'd expect nothing less!

 

[LESStar58]

Although for the record IMO Lee Rocker's version of "Rock This Town" sh*ts all over the original Stray Cats one....

 

[hillbillyjazzer1954]

thank you, how are ya

i will have to look up the Lee Rocker Version...it sounds pretty good

 

[salivor]

Now compare that to this, easy to see which piece is more technical and requires much more skill and precision

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feZnnhoFg_Y

now watch this dude hahahahaha

Just a pity that apart from the last 30 seconds the clip is boring and sounds like sh*t. Great technical ability and speed doesn't always equal great music.

 

[bluesbreaker]

Any poll on greatest guitarist that doesn't include Clapton, SRV or Allman (name me one better slide player?) has less credibility than one that lists Jack White in the top 30.

What a f**king sh*thouse list. All that goes to show is that readers for Guitar world are between the ages of 12-25, and borderline geniused. Yeah, much better than RS' attempt :roll:

Although in saying that, Hendrix is about where he should be.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Any poll on greatest guitarist that doesn't include Clapton, SRV or Allman (name me one better slide player?) has less credibility than one that lists Jack White in the top 30.

What a f**king sh*thouse list. All that goes to show is that readers for Guitar world are between the ages of 12-25, and borderline geniused. Yeah, much better than RS' attempt :roll:

Although in saying that, Hendrix is about where he should be.

people voted on this, however i do agree some of the selections are dubious, however it did atleast include Satch which RS failed to do.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Just a pity that apart from the last 30 seconds the clip is boring and sounds like sh*t. Great technical ability and speed doesn't always equal great music.

Really, i thought it sounded pretty good? so do millions of others?

I agree, however they are still talents which not many can do.

 

[Trollhammaren]

This poll was the top 100 ROCK AND METAL guitarists. That's why there's no jazz or blues guitarists there, and so why are people talking about them here?

Re: the list. It's alright. They got #1 correct for sure, but there's some crap in there also.

 

[salivor]

Really, i thought it sounded pretty good? so do millions of others?

I agree, however they are still talents which not many can do.

Yeah and millions of others thought the Spice Girls were the bees knees but I beg to differ.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Yeah and millions of others thought the Spice Girls were the bees knees but I beg to differ.

Different genres;-) rock is not as easy to influnence others as a girl group, that's also what made there achievements even more significant, the fact that a non mainstream pop band sold millions and influenced millions. Sure they eventually went mainstream after but many groups do sell out.

 

[salivor]

Different genres;-) rock is not as easy to influnence others as a girl group, that's also what made there achievements even more significant, the fact that a non mainstream pop band sold millions and influenced millions. Sure they eventually went mainstream after but many groups do sell out.

I don't know about that, some of the biggest selling bands of all time have been rock bands.

The point I'm making though is that album sales are the be all and end all as there's millions out there who have no taste in music, some would say you're one of them ;-).

 

[Ron Jeremy]

I don't know about that, some of the biggest selling bands of all time have been rock bands.

The point I'm making though is that album sales are the be all and end all as there's millions out there who have no taste in music, some would say you're one of them ;-).

Absolutely, Sabbath, Led Zep, Purple etc many however compare that to the many pop groups that have achieved the same and there is absolutely no contest which genre has the pulling power. People will always dig dance etc over rock, been that way for ages and i doubt it will ever change, the only time it was threatened was in the early to late 80's and to a lesser extent the grunge era.

True, but the theory i have with record sales is that you cannot become succesful without the sales, i mean would the beatles be considered the greatest if they didn't sell 150 million? would they be as influential if theyonly sold 1 million albums?. Yes there are some tragic groups out there who have sold millions and conflict with my argument, however the only way a group can be considered great or influential is selling records and influencing others.;-)

 

[salivor]

Absolutely, Sabbath, Led Zep, Purple etc many however compare that to the many pop groups that have achieved the same and there is absolutely no contest which genre has the pulling power. People will always dig dance etc over rock, been that way for ages and i doubt it will ever change, the only time it was threatened was in the early to late 80's and to a lesser extent the grunge era.

True, but the theory i have with record sales is that you cannot become succesful without the sales, i mean would the beatles be considered the greatest if they didn't sell 150 million? would they be as influential if theyonly sold 1 million albums?. Yes there are some tragic groups out there who have sold millions and conflict with my argument, however the only way a group can be considered great or influential is selling records and influencing others.;-)

I think it was well before the 80's, most of the great artists of the 60's and 70's are rock bands.

And you said it with holes in your theory. Based on that Nirvana outsold all their grunge rivals with Nevermind and influenced most rock bands in some way that have followed. Does that make Kurt great?