if mateo is ready

[Fishboy]

if it where my team and mateo is ready to come back into team....
well smith back into centres mateo-inu or reddy to wing on bench and bye bye burty? .

Are you serious? Burt to make way instead of Ben Smith?

 

[Stagger eel]

a stint in Wenty probably wouldn't do any harm but in reality a fit Feleti should really go straight in it's just unfortunate that he'll take the place of someone who doesn't deserve to be dropped.

 

[Gazzamatta]

In my humble opinion, I witnessed the best performance by a Parramatta team in many a long day against the Bulldogs which followed another great performance against Melbourne 5 days earlier.
This team deserves to play together again this week regardless of who is available.
No changes for mine. Success should be rewarded not penalised. Im absolutely sure DA feels the same.

 

[caylo]

In my humble opinion, I witnessed the best performance by a Parramatta team in many a long day against the Bulldogs which followed another great performance against Melbourne 5 days earlier.
This team deserves to play together again this week regardless of who is available.
No changes for mine. Success should be rewarded not penalised. Im absolutely sure DA feels the same.

I agree with you but if a team pulled that peformance and then someone like Thurston, Prince, Hayne or Inglus was avaliable after an injury stint they would play (maybe off the bench or get shafted to the wing after 60min but they would play).

If Mateo is fit he should atleast play off the bench or even start (maybe only play 40-50min) because he is in that class of player.

Also for anyone to say he was in poor form, at the beginning of the year he was our stand out player early in the season IMO and one of the only players avg 120 meters meters per match plus making around 35-40 tackles a game (in about 65min). He also was breaking tackles and offloading but the team was performing poorly. Mateo was then moved to 5-8 and created alot more havoc in defence and still managed to avg about 95 meters and make around 20 odd tackles.

 

[muznik]

If he was coming back of a 1-2 week suspension it would be a no brainer.

However he has missed a few games and it's his match fitness that is a concern.
I'd be happy to see him off the bench if thats the way DA went.

If not 100% I am happy with a cut n paste team this week.

I think we have a team that can beat the Sharks if they "turn up" again!

 

[grapeape]

da has advised mateo he will be back for the knights game. not sure what position.

why are ppl supporting lowrie? as if hes comparable to mateo. Lowrie hasnt contributed to sh*t. the team is losing the year overall. why keep our worst player. fools.

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

2). Lowrie has contributed to more wins this season against better teams than the so-called second best player in the team?

2). No. That's irrelevant - Lowrie has done nothing wrong and doesn't deserve the crap some of you heap on him.

Maybe, but Mateo is still better and he himself dosent deserve to lose his spot because of injury. Lowrie has served his purpose as a back up second rower.

 

[mickdo]

why are ppl supporting lowrie?

They have very short memories

 

[Eelementary]

Maybe, but Mateo is still better and he himself dosent deserve to lose his spot because of injury. Lowrie has served his purpose as a back up second rower.

No - on potential and what Mateo can do he's a better player. He hasn't done anything this year to suggest he's that much better than Lowrie.

Take your blinkers off for a second - Mateo this season has forced dumb passes (something Lowrie got caned for); he's missed EASY tackles (something Lowrie rarely does); he's made metres (as has Lowrie). He hasn't set the world alight - neither has Lowrie.

I'm not insinuating Lowrie is a better player, even though Mateo is yet to develop consistency to his game. But I think it's harsh to drop a guy who has done nothing but contribute positively to our performances the past few months for a guy who has all the talent in the world but a questionable work ethic...

 

[Eelementary]

da has advised mateo he will be back for the knights game. not sure what position.

why are ppl supporting lowrie? as if hes comparable to mateo. Lowrie hasnt contributed to sh*t. the team is losing the year overall. why keep our worst player. fools.

:roll:

Mateo has missed easy tackles that, had Lowrie missed them, people such as you would have crucified him for it. But no - because it's Mateo and he apparently is such a great player it's OK.

Meanwhile a guy who's only crime in recent times was to force a bad pass - something that your buddy Feleti is also known for I might add - is the enemy and our worst player and deserves to get dropped.

If Mateo had played against the Bulldogs in Lowrie's position, would our defence have been as strong? I say no. Mateo has a tonne of ability but he gets lazy and misses easy tackles.

 

[Eelementary]

I agree with you but if a team pulled that peformance and then someone like Thurston, Prince, Hayne or Inglus was avaliable after an injury stint they would play (maybe off the bench or get shafted to the wing after 60min but they would play).

If Mateo is fit he should atleast play off the bench or even start (maybe only play 40-50min) because he is in that class of player.

Also for anyone to say he was in poor form, at the beginning of the year he was our stand out player early in the season IMO and one of the only players avg 120 meters meters per match plus making around 35-40 tackles a game (in about 65min). He also was breaking tackles and offloading but the team was performing poorly. Mateo was then moved to 5-8 and created alot more havoc in defence and still managed to avg about 95 meters and make around 20 odd tackles.

Firstly, he was playing poorly - he was pushing bad passes (which Todd gets called every name under the sun for), and missing tackles.

Secondly, Mateo isn't even in the same class as Inglis, Thurston, Prince or Hayne.

Thirdly, I, for one, like the bloke and see him as a great weapon, and having him back would be a great boost. But what I am objecting to is people's thoughts that it's OK to tell Ben Smith or Lowrie to f**k off just because Feleti is back. Lowrie and Ben have been very good the past few weeks, and Feleti's form prior to his injury wasn't as good as everyone wants to make out that he can just walk back into the side at the expense of a guy who has been shedding his blood, sweat and tears for the team.

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

No - on potential and what Mateo can do he's a better player. He hasn't done anything this year to suggest he's that much better than Lowrie.

Take your blinkers off for a second - Mateo this season has forced dumb passes (something Lowrie got caned for); he's missed EASY tackles (something Lowrie rarely does); he's made metres (as has Lowrie). He hasn't set the world alight - neither has Lowrie.

I'm not insinuating Lowrie is a better player, even though Mateo is yet to develop consistency to his game. But I think it's harsh to drop a guy who has done nothing but contribute positively to our performances the past few months for a guy who has all the talent in the world but a questionable work ethic...

Mateo is the better player, he has more skill and a better footy brain. He may have been having a poor year (poor considering his talent) but its not as if the team is winning because of Lowries involvement. The betterment of the team is more important then being nice to Todd.

Put it this way, Mateo is more likely to win you a game then Lowrie and Lowrie is more likely to lose you a game then Mateo.

Just because the team is winning, dose not mean Mateo should be held out. Remember back to 2005. Hindmarsh was injured against the Broncos and Wagon replaced him for a few weeks. We were still winning. Now if we had beat the Cowboys, would you have kept Hindmarsh out?

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

The only reason why I wouldnt play Mateo straight up is because of fitness. He has a history of fitness problems and that appears to be DA's main concern. So I agree with Staggs (yet again) a few weeks in Wenty wouldnt hurt.

 

[Eelementary]

I completely disagree - Mateo was throwing idiotic offloads prior to his injury, and his defence wasn't exactly brilliant. The win against the Bulldogs came largely off perfect defence.

Lowrie is not perfect, but he has a role in the team - that is, as a defensive sponge. To say he'll cost you more games than Mateo with his soft defence and erratic offloads is just wrong.

This isn't about "being nice" to Todd, anyway. We've won more games with Todd than with Mateo this year. Go figure.

For the record, I agree - on potential, which he rarely meets consistently anyway, Mateo is a super player.

But the Lowrie hate here is unbelievable. There are other types of players, you know - you don't have to run like Fui or offload like SBW to be a good player. Lowrie has improved his attack and his defence is as solid as ever. But hey - he doesn't offload at will or pull a freakish pay out of his arse ONCE IN A BLUE MOON like Mateo so he automatically sucks.

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

I completely disagree - Mateo was throwing idiotic offloads prior to his injury, and his defence wasn't exactly brilliant. The win against the Bulldogs came largely off perfect defence.

Lowrie is not perfect, but he has a role in the team - that is, as a defensive sponge. To say he'll cost you more games than Mateo with his soft defence and erratic offloads is just wrong.

This isn't about "being nice" to Todd, anyway. We've won more games with Todd than with Mateo this year. Go figure.

For the record, I agree - on potential, which he rarely meets consistently anyway, Mateo is a super player.

But the Lowrie hate here is unbelievable. There are other types of players, you know - you don't have to run like Fui or offload like SBW to be a good player. Lowrie has improved his attack and his defence is as solid as ever. But hey - he doesn't offload at will or pull a freakish pay out of his arse ONCE IN A BLUE MOON like Mateo so he automatically sucks.

If you have a problem with people bagging Lowrie thats fine, but Iv never done it. I have made some critical comments, but nothing for a good 6 weeks. Same with Robson. And nothing insulting.

I can see that we arent going to agree on this. I did a coaching clinic with Joey Grimer a while ago and he said that each coach will have his own philosophies(?). In a situation like this, when the team is going well and we have an injured player returning, I just refer back to Jack Gibson. "Pick your best players first then worry about positions" and then when judging a player ask yourself "can I win with him?". To me, I would feel more confident knowing Mateo was in my team.

 

[Phillips]

cant beleive people are questioning Mateo coming back into the team

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

cant beleive people are questioning Mateo coming back into the team

Dont think anyone is, its more just people are questioning dropping Lowrie.
I just wonder, 1. When dose Mateo come back in the team, when we lose? 2. Who else, if not Lorwie, do you drop?

 

[Eelementary]

If you have a problem with people bagging Lowrie thats fine, but Iv never done it. I have made some critical comments, but nothing for a good 6 weeks. Same with Robson. And nothing insulting.

I can see that we arent going to agree on this. I did a coaching clinic with Joey Grimer a while ago and he said that each coach will have his own philosophies(?). In a situation like this, when the team is going well and we have an injured player returning, I just refer back to Jack Gibson. "Pick your best players first then worry about positions" and then when judging a player ask yourself "can I win with him?". To me, I would feel more confident knowing Mateo was in my team.

Nah, you're good mate.

I want Mateo back. Definitely. He's a great player when he's on form. Absolutely.

I just think a few people were jumping the gun by saying stuff like, "Bye bye Lowrie/Burty/Wright" just to accomodate Mateo. I think whoever ends up missing out can count himself unlucky, but Mateo back makes us stronger. I won't deny that for a second.

 

[Eelementary]

Dont think anyone is, its more just people are questioning dropping Lowrie.
I just wonder, 1. When dose Mateo come back in the team, when we lose? 2. Who else, if not Lorwie, do you drop?

It's a tough choice, but if I was in charge I think I would relegate Broderick Wright. Unfortunately, Anderson said he's not in the plans so he won't be here beyond this season; he's played very well, like Lowrie et al, too. But this way you could have a starting back row of:

11. Hindmarsh
12. Galuvao
13. Lowrie

with Mateo on the bench, and when Mateo comes on you could move Galuvao to prop.

I just feel we need Lowrie's defence. But on the flip side, Wright was also very good for us against the Dogs...

A tough choice for Anderson.

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

It's a tough choice, but if I was in charge I think I would relegate Broderick Wright. Unfortunately, Anderson said he's not in the plans so he won't be here beyond this season; he's played very well, like Lowrie et al, too. But this way you could have a starting back row of:

11. Hindmarsh
12. Galuvao
13. Lowrie

with Mateo on the bench, and when Mateo comes on you could move Galuvao to prop.

I just feel we need Lowrie's defence. But on the flip side, Wright was also very good for us against the Dogs...

A tough choice for Anderson.

Lowrie also isnt in DA's plans too (I believe). I believe that Galavao has been playing better then Lowrie, I dont see why we should have to move Galavao to prop to suit Mateo over Lowrie.

I dont think its a tough choice at all, pretty simple to me to be honest.