If perth is such a can't miss home run for nrl expansion..?!

[Pippen94]

In Adelaide, sure.


Only slightly at the moment, but it will be if we leave Perth to their mercies. Sure as a participation sport its bigger, largely because its easier to play, but if that was the only metric of interest in a professional sports club the West Coast Fever would be filling the Perth Arena every week!


It really isnt, active fans attending games is, and we dont know what the tv ratings are, only the FTA ratings. Less than 5% of people watch any single NRL game on FTA in Sydney. By your logic that means that 95% of Sydney dont care about rugby league? Its a dumb argument.

There's a nice unclaimed catchment for them north of parra river & south of newcastle

 

[Perth Red]

There's a nice unclaimed catchment for them north of parra river & south of newcastle

Shame regional cities struggle to sustain NRL clubs, and that TV doesnt value them, or yeh Gosford would be a greta spot for them. Maybe in a second division where clubs dont have to generate $30million a year.

 

[Pippen94]

In Adelaide, sure.


Only slightly at the moment, but it will be if we leave Perth to their mercies. Sure as a participation sport its bigger, largely because its easier to play, but if that was the only metric of interest in a professional sports club the West Coast Fever would be filling the Perth Arena every week!


It really isnt, active fans attending games is, and we dont know what the tv ratings are, only the FTA ratings. Less than 5% of people watch any single NRL game on FTA in Sydney. By your logic that means that 95% of Sydney dont care about rugby league? Its a dumb argument.

Something u should know by now is active players far more likely to follow sport than ppl who don't play. Union numbers so much bigger it's possible to say on that union is bigger than league.

Over 500k watching random Friday night game in Sydney across all media. Perth lucky to get 10k. Yeah, Sydney is league city.

 

[Wb1234]

There's a nice unclaimed catchment for them north of parra river & south of newcastle

This thread is the best!

 

[Pippen94]

Shame regional cities struggle to sustain NRL clubs, and that TV doesnt value them, or yeh Gosford would be a greta spot for them. Maybe in a second division where clubs dont have to generate $30million a year.

You haven't established how Perth makes $30 million.
In terms of metrics north shore / central coast probably more lucrative than perth

 

[Perth Red]

It's nowhere looking at TV & participation numbers. Probably does a lot worse if team is struggling to make finals. 20k members & 15k attendance is overestimation but is that even enough to make team viable?!
I'd be calling twiggy..

you dont know the tv numbers, and dont forget all NRL games at the moment are neutrals playing for Perth people unless you have an existing or adopted club you follow. That's your opinion, mines different having seen the active supporter base in action, time will tell hopefully.

Participation is a sign of NRL neglect. 30 years ago we had 10k registered playing the game. Perth has doubled in size since then. Why? SL thats why. We went from 10k to under 1k in space of 6 years. Wasn't until 2010 the green shoots started up again and we've now grown it to over 4k, on the smell of an oily rag.
Either RL is a crap game and no one wants to play it? or there just hasnt been the investment to grow it? Which is it?

It will be as long as the corporates are there and the stadium deal is good. Souths just realised a fan revenue of $9.8mill with a membership of 30k and a gate avg of 14k.

 

[Perth Red]

You haven't established how Perth makes $30 million.
In terms of metrics north shore / central coast probably more lucrative than perth

$17mill grant
$6mill fan based revenue
$10mill sponsorship and corporate sales

Should achieve a $1mill profit off that revenue

Thats the target for any new club that doesnt want to rely on a pokie den and that makes clubs very attractive for investors.

Go and talk about 'the' bears in the appropriate thread if you want to.

 

[Pippen94]

you dont know the tv numbers, and dont forget all NRL games at the moment are neutrals playing for Perth people unless you have an existing or adopted club you follow. That's your opinion, mines different having seen the active supporter base in action, time will tell hopefully.

Participation is a sign of NRL neglect. 30 years ago we had 10k registered playing the game. Perth has doubled in size since then. Why? SL thats why. We went from 10k to under 1k in space of 6 years. Wasn't until 2010 the green shoots started up again and we've now grown it to over 4k, on the smell of an oily rag.
Either RL is a crap game and no one wants to play it? or there just hasnt been the investment to grow it? Which is it?

It will be as long as the corporates are there and the stadium deal is good. Souths just realised a fan revenue of $9.8mill with a membership of 30k and a gate avg of 14k.

Wookie already smacked you down on pay & kayo numbers. The most recent ones he had (admittedly a few years back) showed next to no Perth viewership. It makes sense in that pay TV is out of sight out of mind for sports & unlikely to gain fans where sport is invisible like wa.

As far as participation you got owned there too, in this very thread by local who said picture paint of resurgent game is false...but you still pedal same bs, lol.

Aren't souths payed to play at venue?! Hbf doing same for Perth reds?! Love how you just throw around term corporates like it's some magical thing that'll make club viable. League is not a hot ticket item in Perth particularly if local team not winning. You need a money mark or NRL committing to fund club come hell or high water. Comeback then..

 

[Pippen94]

$17mill grant
$6mill fan based revenue
$10mill sponsorship and corporate sales

Should achieve a $1mill profit off that revenue

Thats the target for any new club that doesnt want to rely on a pokie den and that makes clubs very attractive for investors.

Go and talk about 'the' bears in the appropriate thread if you want to.

Wonder how much club needs to spend to get $6 million return from fans?! Gws were making that but taking a loss due to marketing & promotions which go into building base in non traditional city.

Which sponsors & corporates you got lined up?! I've just heard about some unnamed businessmen.

Same strategy as titans who were bailed out by NRL. No wonder league is talking about nz2!!

 

[Perth Red]

Wookie already smacked you down on pay & kayo numbers. The most recent ones he had (admittedly a few years back) showed next to no Perth viewership. It makes sense in that pay TV is out of sight out of mind for sports & unlikely to gain fans where sport is invisible like wa.

As far as participation you got owned there too, in this very thread by local who said picture paint of resurgent game is false...but you still pedal same bs, lol.

Aren't souths payed to play at venue?! Hbf doing same for Perth reds?! Love how you just throw around term corporates like it's some magical thing that'll make club viable. League is not a hot ticket item in Perth particularly if local team not winning. You need a money mark or NRL committing to fund club come hell or high water. Comeback then..

so tell me last years and we'll talk. You cant grow fans, or audiences, if you dont expose them to the product. Sales 101. Storm FTA avg 14k, membership and crowds in top 3 in the comp. Hmmmm.

Just because you dont like the data sets doesnt make them untrue lol There are 4100 ish registered contact players, another 30k plus in touch participation and a further 10k or so who have gone through various rugby league participation programs. But like I said it doesn't matter! That metric does not necessarily translate itself to fanbases of professional clubs. Basketball and Netball are the two biggest participation team sports in WA, neither the Wildcats or West Coast Fever come close to being the best supported clubs in WA. There are many factors at play, probably too many for your simple mind to comprehend.

No they arent, and havent been for a long time. Hence why they wanted to move to a better stadium. Having the WA Govt on board can only help in cutting an excellent rental deal for use of HBF Park.

It seems you really struggle with understanding business modelling and sales. NRL is a hot ticket, its one of the best vehicles for advertising your business natioanlly + NZ in this part of the world, its not about if you grew up a RL fan, its about where do you want to spend your marekting $'s and who do ou want your company associated with. Again you have so little faith on our product for a so called fan.

NRl will want a sense of security for sure, luckily we have a number of multi-millionaires with their hands saying pick me.

 

[Perth Red]

Wonder how much club needs to spend to get $6 million return from fans?! Gws were making that but taking a loss due to marketing & promotions which go into building base in non traditional city.

Which sponsors & corporates you got lined up?! I've just heard about some unnamed businessmen.

Same strategy as titans who were bailed out by NRL. No wonder league is talking about nz2!!

With a $38mill revenue Souths achieved a $2.5mill profit (and thats before the club grants go up another $2-3mill)

You'd have to ask the potential bid teams, Im not privvy to that. I did get an email from the NRLWA GM this week stating the work being done by the WA Govt is incredibly positive so that's good news.

'Former Western Reds chairman Laurie Puddy has declared he’s preparing to pay some of the $20 million he believes it will cost to own and operate the return of a new Perth NRL team. "I have business contacts and colleagues sitting in Perth waiting for something to happen. All they say is: 'Laurie, when is it going to happen?’ Support for the game isn’t in question.'

'Sage, a mining magnate who owns A-League club Perth Glory, and consortium partner Ben Elias, the Balmain Tigers great, have a $20 million budget. Sage is believed to be worth more than $800 million, and he sees no problems with obtaining the $20 million start-up fund needed to establish an NRL club in Perth. Sage, who says he will guarantee $100 million over 10 years, and Elias will meet with NRL interim chief Shane Mattiske on Tuesday.

'Meet the man behind Western Australia's latest bid for its own NRL franchise.
Peter Cumins, one of the state's leading businessman, will head the newest consortium aiming for the establishment of a Perth-based team in the competition Cumins has been involved in a previous Perth bid team that met with former NRL CEO David Gallop a decade ago, only for their work to amount to nothing when Gallop moved on from his position.'

and these are the ones we know about, who knows who else might be in the wings. Global Private investment sports companies are looking to buy into sports start ups all the time and with the new NRL grant funding a NRL club is looking a pretty good investment for the future. Now these are historic statements and things might have changed for Sage in particular. Cummins and Puddy have continued to state they are ready to bid as late as middle of last year.

Titans? Lol. Strawman, or troll, your choice. Perth bad because Titans failed in totally different circumsatnces, Gosford good idea ignoring the nearset club equally failed. Cuckoo, cuckoo.

 

[Wb1234]

Pippen is killing it in this thread.

so many good points

 

[Pippen94]

With a $38mill revenue Souths achieved a $2.5mill profit (and thats before the club grants go up another $2-3mill)

You'd have to ask the potential bid teams, Im not privvy to that. I did get an email from the NRLWA GM this week stating the work being done by the WA Govt is incredibly positive so that's good news.

'Former Western Reds chairman Laurie Puddy has declared he’s preparing to pay some of the $20 million he believes it will cost to own and operate the return of a new Perth NRL team. "I have business contacts and colleagues sitting in Perth waiting for something to happen. All they say is: 'Laurie, when is it going to happen?’ Support for the game isn’t in question.'

'Sage, a mining magnate who owns A-League club Perth Glory, and consortium partner Ben Elias, the Balmain Tigers great, have a $20 million budget. Sage is believed to be worth more than $800 million, and he sees no problems with obtaining the $20 million start-up fund needed to establish an NRL club in Perth. Sage, who says he will guarantee $100 million over 10 years, and Elias will meet with NRL interim chief Shane Mattiske on Tuesday.

'Meet the man behind Western Australia's latest bid for its own NRL franchise.
Peter Cumins, one of the state's leading businessman, will head the newest consortium aiming for the establishment of a Perth-based team in the competition Cumins has been involved in a previous Perth bid team that met with former NRL CEO David Gallop a decade ago, only for their work to amount to nothing when Gallop moved on from his position.'

and these are the ones we know about, who knows who else might be in the wings. Global Private investment sports companies are looking to buy into sports start ups all the time and with the new NRL grant funding a NRL club is looking a pretty good investment for the future. Now these are historic statements and things might have changed for Sage in particular. Cummins and Puddy have continued to state they are ready to bid as late as middle of last year.

Titans? Lol. Strawman, or troll, your choice. Perth bad because Titans failed in totally different circumsatnces, Gosford good idea ignoring the nearset club equally failed. Cuckoo, cuckoo.

How far is 20 million going to get you?! Gws burn through more than that every year & just did lowest crowd average in history of the league.

When Benny is one of the chief architects no wonder it was better those businessmen remained unnamed. Benny was brain cell behind redevelopment of tigers which is now a burnt out hold in the wall where ppl shoot up.

Those guys are just going around like zero mostel & gene Wilder in the producers trying to get money out ppl who are dumb enough to think there's something to be made from football. Even in ur example of South's who had huge revenue the club only made a few million. That's why it's better for an uber rich person to own as a passion project & doesn't miss a million or a club like redcliffe which has a huge asset base & makes money through other streams.

Scrapping by on 20k members & 15k crowds (won't get that tho) is no good cause what happens when you get stuck at the bottom of the table & you gotta pay all those in investors?! NRL takes over just like the titans, lol

 

[Perth Red]

How far is 20 million going to get you?! Gws burn through more than that every year & just did lowest crowd average in history of the league.

When Benny is one of the chief architects no wonder it was better those businessmen remained unnamed. Benny was brain cell behind redevelopment of tigers which is now a burnt out hold in the wall where ppl shoot up.

Those guys are just going around like zero mostel & gene Wilder in the producers trying to get money out ppl who are dumb enough to think there's something to be made from football. Even in ur example of South's who had huge revenue the club only made a few million. That's why it's better for an uber rich person to own as a passion project & doesn't miss a million or a club like redcliffe which has a huge asset base & makes money through other streams.

Scrapping by on 20k members & 15k crowds (won't get that tho) is no good cause what happens when you get stuck at the bottom of the table & you gotta pay all those in investors?! NRL takes over just like the titans, lol

For a start up? pretty well I'd have thought. You think Perth is going to need GWS level support? hahaha

I dont want Sage or Elias anywhere near a Perth club, but you keep waffling on about unnamed businessmen when thats just a lie you keep perpetuating.

Hang on you just said you dont want Sage, worth $800mill near the club? Make up your mind! A consortium worth many millions is what is needed tp protect from rainy days, even better a self sustaining successful club that doesnt need pokies, to sell off assets, bail outs from the NRL, rich sugar daddies or increased central funding (ie what a number of heartland NRL clubs have had to do over the years) is the real goal here.

Scraping by? good trolling. 20k members, 15k avg fan attendance, $10mill plus corporates sales, $17mill NRL grant. Ding ding ding.

 

[Pippen94]

so tell me last years and we'll talk. You cant grow fans, or audiences, if you dont expose them to the product. Sales 101. Storm FTA avg 14k, membership and crowds in top 3 in the comp. Hmmmm.

Just because you dont like the data sets doesnt make them untrue lol There are 4100 ish registered contact players, another 30k plus in touch participation and a further 10k or so who have gone through various rugby league participation programs. But like I said it doesn't matter! That metric does not necessarily translate itself to fanbases of professional clubs. Basketball and Netball are the two biggest participation team sports in WA, neither the Wildcats or West Coast Fever come close to being the best supported clubs in WA. There are many factors at play, probably too many for your simple mind to comprehend.

No they arent, and havent been for a long time. Hence why they wanted to move to a better stadium. Having the WA Govt on board can only help in cutting an excellent rental deal for use of HBF Park.

It seems you really struggle with understanding business modelling and sales. NRL is a hot ticket, its one of the best vehicles for advertising your business natioanlly + NZ in this part of the world, its not about if you grew up a RL fan, its about where do you want to spend your marekting $'s and who do ou want your company associated with. Again you have so little faith on our product for a so called fan.

NRl will want a sense of security for sure, luckily we have a number of multi-millionaires with their hands saying pick me.

Best predictor of whether a person becomes a fan of a sport is if person plays that sport. Probably why most netball fans you see are female. Doesn't matter how many become fans, but since rugby has 3 times the players it's not a jump to guess there's probably more rugby fans than league. Educated guess as opposed to the various fantasies you put forward.

Speaking of which the wa government cutting sweet stadium deal for reds - sure, but can you get this in writing before you start posting this stuff. Otherwise its just you making shit up & somebody's probably going fact check & embarrass you again.

Unnamed millionaire backers when you want a notable billionarie. NRL already looking across Tasman & that guaranteed sky deal..

 

[Wb1234]

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[Wb1234]

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[Perth Red]

Best predictor of whether a person becomes a fan of a sport is if person plays that sport. Probably why most netball fans you see are female. Doesn't matter how many become fans, but since rugby has 3 times the players it's not a jump to guess there's probably more rugby fans than league. Educated guess as opposed to the various fantasies you put forward.

Speaking of which the wa government cutting sweet stadium deal for reds - sure, but can you get this in writing before you start posting this stuff. Otherwise its just you making shit up & somebody's probably going fact check & embarrass you again.

Unnamed millionaire backers when you want a notable billionarie. NRL already looking across Tasman & that guaranteed sky deal..

No it isnt as I have already shown you! American football has a tiny participation rate in USA compared to NFL's supporter base. On the other hand soccer, basketball and netball have a massive participation rate in this country compared to support for professional clubs. They have very little correlation in many cases.

Im not leading the bid lol. I would hope any competent bid team, which by the way the WA Govt is doing its due diligence on now to partner with, will have all the Govt commitments locked in and presented as part of the business case.

once again stop with the lies. They are not nameless. Ive literally just given you three direct quotes from multi-millionaires who have said they want to own a Perth club. So now its must be a billionaire? lol. Whose this NZ billionaire you seem so confident in to lead a NZ2 team?

Look I know your just trolling, but if you want to continue to look an arse to everyone except WB (that is saying a lot!) then keep at it and I will refute your BS each time with reality and fact.

 

[Perth Red]

https://tenor.com/en-AU/view/throw-the-towel-damn-towel-throw-shout-scream-gif-16930665

haha he's so dumb he cant even troll with a gif properly! Are WB and Pippen the same person? hmmmm

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

It's nowhere looking at TV & participation numbers. Probably does a lot worse if team is struggling to make finals. 20k members & 15k attendance is overestimation but is that even enough to make team viable?!
I'd be calling twiggy..

There are Sydney clubs that have well under 20k members and attendances below 15k.