If perth is such a can't miss home run for nrl expansion..?!

[Pippen94]

You would have to factor in a wide range of other revenue and expenses to answer that question. Weve seen from Souths figures that an active fanbase of 14k crowd avg and 30k membership generates $9.8million a year, and with other positive revenue, generates $2.5mill profit. So all things being equal, Id say yes.

Why compare to souths who are a long established club with rusted on support, support structures, favouablr stadium deal. Compare to gws who have lost money on membership in new market.

Fact even South's only having 2.5 million profit in winning season should tell uphill battle clubs face.

 

[Pippen94]

1. lie. It isnt a fact because we dont know the ptv numbers for perth. Youre the one using fta as some sort of relevant measure when it isnt. WHast the FTa figures for Perth for origin and GF? Why didn't you answer my question about 95% of Sydney not watching a FTA NRL game?

2. lie. The last rugby league game in perth drew a sell out 60k crowd. The last NRL game at HBF Park was 6 years ago and in a horrendous storm 6,258 brave souls went. The last rugby league game at HBF Park was Nines and drew a crowd of 24.8k. The last NRL game in Perth drew 38k to a double header at Optus. Interesting you picked the real outlier of the lowest rugby league crowd since 1997 as your evidence? Classic trolling.

3. Which clubs? Link to their financials. The increase to $5mill over grant will mean those numbers are more than enough to be profitable. And if you arent you really shouldn't be running an NRL club!

4. Lie. I gave you the name of 3 multi-millionaires who are on record as saying they want to own a Perth club.

You're a troll, and not a very good one.

Hbf did 20k in 2015. Since then numbers have declined. 11k in 2016 & 2017 and finally 6k in July 2017. Post image of declining numbers some time.

FTA numbers are the only ones we have & are a good indication of support as they represent roughly 50% of viewership. In Sydney a lot of regular season games get about 500k across all media.
Using same ratio (which is unlikely as perth is not a hardcore nrl city) Perth does what 10k?! Of course you can just be a disingenuous dic.. & assume there's 20k watching NRL on fox & kayo in perth like you do.

Newcastle were doing 18k in attendance & actually broke record membership record in 2013 with around 17k at the same time they needed NRL to come in & sort them out.
Game day does not make or break club. If club approaching game like that they won't last one down season.

 

[Wb1234]

Souths have a very good Stadium Deal, They are basically paid to host games and then sell a couple of games off a year. Surely a few games will be needed to be at Optus

Not any more that deal expired when they amalgamated the stadium groups

south’s pay rent but it was reduced to no upgrades at accor

 

[Wb1234]

The reality is Perth will be lucky to average 50k viewers in Perth

and they will generate minimal new subscribers for fox since most league fans there will already have it

 

[Pippen94]

The reality is Perth will be lucky to average 50k viewers in Perth

and they will generate minimal new subscribers for fox since most league fans there will already have it

Swans get less than 40k most weeks (wookie will run in & bring up average across all channels including finals). Perth team makes no difference to TV numbers even in perth

 

[Pneuma]

Details please.

2003 Hyundai Getz

 

[MugaB]

2003 Hyundai Getz

More like Mr Potato stuck in his car

 

[Pneuma]

More like Mr Potato stuck in his carView attachment 70179

Is that Perth red with the orange face? Looks sad enough.

 

[Perth Red]

Hbf did 20k in 2015. Since then numbers have declined. 11k in 2016 & 2017 and finally 6k in July 2017. Post image of declining numbers some time.

FTA numbers are the only ones we have & are a good indication of support as they represent roughly 50% of viewership. In Sydney a lot of regular season games get about 500k across all media.
Using same ratio (which is unlikely as perth is not a hardcore nrl city) Perth does what 10k?! Of course you can just be a disingenuous dic.. & assume there's 20k watching NRL on fox & kayo in perth like you do.

Newcastle were doing 18k in attendance & actually broke record membership record in 2013 with around 17k at the same time they needed NRL to come in & sort them out.
Game day does not make or break club. If club approaching game like that they won't last one down season.

We have had one bad rugby league crowd in a decade due to terrible weather, which you couldn't even get right. You seem to forget that NRL clubs playing in Perth are largely neutral and are very different to having a Perth club to build a fanbase around.
How did the Warriors do playing in redcliffe of Gosford? Must mean theres no Rl fans in Redcliffe or on CC by your logic?

ah so now its across all media not just FTA? Melbourne gets 14k avg fta audience, Storm are one of the best supported clubs in the NRL. 95% of people in Sydney dont watch the NRL game on FTA. Its almost like its meaningless metric to use? Doh.

Newcastle, like many regional clubs struggled with corporate support. You need both, active fanbase and decent corporate sponsorship portfolio to be viable, or you did until the NRL massively upped the grant to $5mill over cap. That has now covered the shortfall for all clubs according to the NRL CEO.

You and I can pss in the wind all we like but end of day NRL will decide if they want a Perth club, then they will review bids and look at business cases where all of this will be laid out. Then they will decide.
You keep on hating on Perth and I'll keep on supporting the growth of the NRL.

 

[Wb1234]

Swans get less than 40k most weeks (wookie will run in & bring up average across all channels including finals). Perth team makes no difference to TV numbers even in perth

Exactly

and how much money has afl sunk in qld and Brisbane

billions

a second nz team would average multiples of that in nz2

 

[taipan]

I've gotta say ,this thread is worth the price of non admission.
Can I make one humble suggestion , please leave Backdoor Benny out of any expansion equation.If BS were battleships , he would own the U.S 7th Fleet.

 

[Perth Red]

I've gotta say ,this thread is worth the price of non admission.
Can I make one humble suggestion , please leave Backdoor Benny out of any expansion equation.If BS were battleships , he would own the U.S 7th Fleet.

Hi Tai, havent seen you for a while.

 

[Stewbum]

2003 Hyundai Getz

Let's hope not.

I'm a recent owner of a 1972 351 V8 Fairlane. Unless he owns a GT Falcon I declare myself the winner in absentia.

Now this thread has everything.....

 

[Wb1234]

I

Let's hope not.

I'm a recent owner of a 1972 351 V8 Fairlane. Unless he owns a GT Falcon I declare myself the winner in absentia.

Now this thread has everything.....

Shame it not a phase 3 howie those are worth close to a million

 

[Idris 84]

Govt's dont build stadiums to get a financial return from rent. They build them to enhance the city and attract sports tourists and events that promote the city. Qlnd does seem to want to try and stiff tenants to cover costs as much as possible compared to other states it seems. There's no benefit to the State Govt if the rent it charges makes a club unviable. There has to be a balance.

To get a better stadium deal you have to kick in a few million yourself as a competition, the NRL are too lousy to do that, so the clubs suffer through high rentals.

 

[Stewbum]

Shame it not a phase 3 howie those are worth close to a million

Crazy money even for replica GTs now. $100k-$250k. Phase 4's are priceless. Only four made.

Bought and XA and a ZG in the 90s which combined were less than $5k. Only 302s though.

 

[Wb1234]

Crazy money even for replica GTs now. $100k-$250k. Phase 4's are priceless. Only four made.

Bought and XA and a ZG in the 90s which combined were less than $5k. Only 302s though.

I had a replica slr5000 with a 308

my friend had an Xb coupe with a 302

I really like the chargers wish I had one of those

 

[Perth Red]

Swans get less than 40k most weeks (wookie will run in & bring up average across all channels including finals). Perth team makes no difference to TV numbers even in perth

This would be the Swans that have the biggest fanbase in Sydney and are very profitable? And yet have low FTA figures? Its almost like you are arguing against yourself here lol

You might have missed the news so here you are, seems Swans tv figures arent really a problem for the AFL or for Tv companies doesn't it?

Seven and Foxtel to keep AFL rights in record $4.5bn seven-year deal

Agreement gives the code full control over production of games and secures a package of digital rights for 7plus

www.theguardian.com

 

[Stewbum]

I had a replica slr5000 with a 308

my friend had an Xb coupe with a 302

I really like the chargers wish I had one of those

Since I don't have access to a like button: Like

 

[taipan]

Hi Tai, havent seen you for a while.

If you can SEE me Champ, you are a better man than me Gunga Din.