If perth is such a can't miss home run for nrl expansion..?!

[Pippen94]

There are Sydney clubs that have well under 20k members and attendances below 15k.

That's irrelevant.

 

[Pippen94]

No it isnt as I have already shown you! American football has a tiny participation rate in USA compared to NFL's supporter base. On the other hand soccer, basketball and netball have a massive participation rate in this country compared to support for professional clubs. They have very little correlation in many cases.

Im not leading the bid lol. I would hope any competent bid team, which by the way the WA Govt is doing its due diligence on now to partner with, will have all the Govt commitments locked in and presented as part of the business case.

once again stop with the lies. They are not nameless. Ive literally just given you three direct quotes from multi-millionaires who have said they want to own a Perth club. So now its must be a billionaire? lol. Whose this NZ billionaire you seem so confident in to lead a NZ2 team?

Look I know your just trolling, but if you want to continue to look an arse to everyone except WB (that is saying a lot!) then keep at it and I will refute your BS each time with reality and fact.

You used the fact pay TV & kayo numbers aren't broken down by city to assume Perth's NRL fan base was far greater than it is, against any reasonable logic given game has a low profile there.

You boasted about participation numbers until I pointed out that rugby has three times the players & another poster said game is in decline over there.

You post the same image of game from 2013 to support argument of strong Perth fan base, despite most recent game at same stadium doing about 4k.

You immediately assume Perth will pull among the biggest home crowds in the NRL & record 20k members despite most metrics showing low interest in rugby league in the city.

You assume those numbers even as unrealistic as they are, are enough for club to produce profit despite other clubs recording similar numbers for losses, notwithstanding the greater costs for a Perth based team & promoting in market where game has little profile.

You talk about the millionaire businessmen ready to bankroll club & then when pressed name Benny Elias.

You're an f'n idiot

 

[Pippen94]

haha he's so dumb he cant even troll with a gif properly! Are WB and Pippen the same person? hmmmm

No, multiple ppl think ur a clown. In fact most of this place do.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Wookie already smacked you down on pay & kayo numbers. The most recent ones he had (admittedly a few years back) showed next to no Perth viewership. It makes sense in that pay TV is out of sight out of mind for sports & unlikely to gain fans where sport is invisible like wa.

As far as participation you got owned there too, in this very thread by local who said picture paint of resurgent game is false...but you still pedal same bs, lol.

Aren't souths payed to play at venue?! Hbf doing same for Perth reds?! Love how you just throw around term corporates like it's some magical thing that'll make club viable. League is not a hot ticket item in Perth particularly if local team not winning. You need a money mark or NRL committing to fund club come hell or high water. Comeback then..

Have you seen the thread I created about revenue from sponsorship / corporate hospitality ans ticketing / membership?

Broncos and Cowboys are well ahead of the Sydney clubs in both areas. It's not unrealistic for a Perth team to generate more money from sponsorship and corporate hospitality than all of the Sydney clubs. They'll only be competing with the Eagles, Dockers and Force for the corporate dollar. A Perth based team will be great vehicle for local businessmen to get their products visible in Brisbane and Sydney.

The Swans generate more from sponsorship and corporate hospitality than all NRL clubs.

Sydney's clubs struggle because there's nine of them competing with one another for marketshare.

 

[Wb1234]

You used the fact pay TV & kayo numbers aren't broken down by city to assume Perth's NRL fan base was far greater than it is, against any reasonable logic given game has a low profile there.

You boasted about participation numbers until I pointed out that rugby has three times the players & another poster said game is in decline over there.

You post the same image of game from 2013 to support argument of strong Perth fan base, despite most recent game at same stadium doing about 4k.

You immediately assume Perth will pull among the biggest home crowds in the NRL & record 20k members despite most metrics showing low interest in rugby league in the city.

You assume those numbers even as unrealistic as they are, are enough for club to produce profit despite other clubs recording similar numbers for losses, notwithstanding the greater costs for a Perth based team & promoting in market where game has little profile.

You talk about the millionaire businessmen ready to bankroll club & then when pressed name Benny Elias.

You're an f'n idiot

How Benny Elias put the bite on the Tigers

HE IS the instantly recognisable face of the "Bring the Tigers Home" campaign and has been hailed as the saviour of the NRL team's struggling club.

amp.smh.com.au

Lmao

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Look around here; 90% of ppl want team in Perth or nz2. Ppl just understand establishing a team in a non traditional market is hard & there's every chance with financial support from the NRL or external parties teams won't survive

Why do all of the Sydney clubs generate less money from football operations than the Cowboys?

You must support return of bears too coz South's like them were in the wilderness before coming back as a powerhouse

Will the Bears attract rich owners like Russell Crowe and Peter Holmes a Court?

That's irrelevant.

Why do you think it is irrelevant?

You're pushing a double standard.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

How far is 20 million going to get you?! Gws burn through more than that every year & just did lowest crowd average in history of the league.

When Benny is one of the chief architects no wonder it was better those businessmen remained unnamed. Benny was brain cell behind redevelopment of tigers which is now a burnt out hold in the wall where ppl shoot up.

Those guys are just going around like zero mostel & gene Wilder in the producers trying to get money out ppl who are dumb enough to think there's something to be made from football. Even in ur example of South's who had huge revenue the club only made a few million. That's why it's better for an uber rich person to own as a passion project & doesn't miss a million or a club like redcliffe which has a huge asset base & makes money through other streams.

Scrapping by on 20k members & 15k crowds (won't get that tho) is no good cause what happens when you get stuck at the bottom of the table & you gotta pay all those in investors?! NRL takes over just like the titans, lol

Looks like Wests Ashfield now controls the Balmain Leagues Club.

Located on a prominent corner site, interjecting with Victoria Road, Darling and Waterloo Streets, the residences will be connected above a shared retail and commercial podium, which will include a new, state of the art, Wests Ashfield Leagues Club, which amalgamated with the former Balmain Tigers Leagues Club.

Balmain Leagues Club set for redevelopment

Developer, Heworth submits amendments to approved DA reducing apartments supported by a major new Town Square, public plaza and retail precinct

www.urban.com.au

Magpies get stronger. Balmain Tigers get weaker. Easts Tigers are getting stronger.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

haha he's so dumb he cant even troll with a gif properly! Are WB and Pippen the same person? hmmmm

@Wb1234 is an idiot. I took him off ignore for a couple of weeks, but he's back on my list because he's boring and a complete waste of time. He doesn't understand the subjects he talks about.

The WA gov is very interested in acquiring an NRL team. The NZ gov doesn't give a f**k and neither does any other businessman in the country. The next licence is going to Perth.

 

[Pippen94]

@Wb1234 is an idiot. I took him off ignore for a couple of weeks, but he's back on my list because he's boring and a complete waste of time. He doesn't understand the subjects he talks about.

The WA gov is very interested in acquiring an NRL team. The NZ gov doesn't give a f**k and neither does any other businessman in the country. The next licence is going to Perth.

Wb1234 is a good guy. Calls out PR for being disingenuous

 

[Pippen94]

Why do all of the Sydney clubs generate less money from football operations than the Cowboys?



Will the Bears attract rich owners like Russell Crowe and Peter Holmes a Court?



Why do you think it is irrelevant?

You're pushing a double standard.

Because who would u rather be Newcastle with good crowd & membership numbers but needing bailing out by nrl or roosters with great wealth?!

 

[Pippen94]

Looks like Wests Ashfield now controls the Balmain Leagues Club.

Located on a prominent corner site, interjecting with Victoria Road, Darling and Waterloo Streets, the residences will be connected above a shared retail and commercial podium, which will include a new, state of the art, Wests Ashfield Leagues Club, which amalgamated with the former Balmain Tigers Leagues Club.​

​

Balmain Leagues Club set for redevelopment

Developer, Heworth submits amendments to approved DA reducing apartments supported by a major new Town Square, public plaza and retail precinct

www.urban.com.au

Magpies get stronger. Balmain Tigers get weaker. Easts Tigers are getting stronger.

Weird place for a town square. More shitty units on main road no less

 

[Wb1234]

Weird place for a town square. More shitty units on main road no less

Balmain / Rozelle units will sell like hotcakes regardless

I’d guess 1.2 million plus for 2 beds up to 2 million

will get amazing views of the harbour and also water on the other side too back to leichardt oval

these town squares are bs they end up empty

wests Ashfield get richer

backdoor Benny killed the tigers

be funny if sage and him get the Perth bid it will be dead in a few years

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Wb1234 is a good guy. Calls out PR for being disingenuous

@Wb1234 is a bullshit artist. The other day he claimed the Cowboys signed a "gaming sponsorship" deal and made out it's the same as a Leagues Club generating gaming machine revenue.

The company he was referring to was a sports betting company called SportsTab. They signed a deal with the Cowboys to be a sponsor.

Plenty of clubs have signed similar deals. At one stage the Broncos were sponsored by Ladbrokes in a deal worth $7.5m. The deal ended was ended by Ladbrokes over the Queensland government's betting tax:

Ladbrokes axes $7.5m Broncos sponsorship over Qld betting tax

Long-term Brisbane Broncos supporters Ladbrokes has axed a lucrative longstanding sponsorship deal in response to the state government’s new betting tax.

https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/qld-politics/ladbrokes-axes-75m-broncos-sponsorship-over-qld-betting-tax/news-story/f4eb485135712c6daecbfb052cb7a06a?amp&nk=7c5e9bcc21ae12c9f858147893b02101-1675946467

There's a massive difference between profiting from gaming machines and signing a deal with a sports betting company. There are betting ads plastered all over the TV during the football. Laurie Daley reads out the odds on Matty Johns Show. The Cowboys' deal with SportsTab will have less influence on the public than the betting ads that are screened during every NRL game. I wish my club didn't collect money from this industry, but they're not going to say "no" when plenty of Sydney clubs have similar deals.

The Wests Tigers are sponsored by PlayUp.

Corporate Sponsors

Corporate Sponsors

www.weststigers.com.au

Roosters are sponsored by Unibet.

Corporate

The Sydney Roosters are undoubtedly one of the most recognised and respected sporting clubs in Australia. As a founding Club since 1908, the Sydney Roosters encapsulate exactly what it means to be part of a winning team both on and off the field.

www.roosters.com.au

Sharks are sponsored by PointsBet.

Sponsors

Sponsors

www.sharks.com.au

Panthers are sponsored by Blue Bet.

Partners

Partners

www.penrithpanthers.com.au

Eels are sponsored by Bet M.

Commercial Partnerships

Commercial Partnerships

www.parraeels.com.au

Points Bet sponsor the Sea Eagles.

Partners

Partners

www.seaeagles.com.au

Rabbitohs are sponsored by Crown Resorts, who have a gaming facilities.

Partnerships

Partnerships

www.rabbitohs.com.au

Our businesses - Crown Resorts

As one of Australia’s largest entertainment groups, Crown has a number of core businesses and investments in the integrated resorts sector. Find out more about our portfolio of businesses in Australia and abroad. Learn more.

www.crownresorts.com.au

 

[MugaB]

@Wb1234 is a bullshit artist. The other day he claimed the Cowboys signed a "gaming sponsorship" deal and made out it's the same as a Leagues Club generating gaming machine revenue.

The company he was referring to was a sports betting company called SportsTab. They signed a deal with the Cowboys to be a sponsor.

Plenty of clubs have signed similar deals. At one stage the Broncos were sponsored by Ladbrokes in a deal with $7.5m. The deal ended was ended by Ladbrokes over the Queensland government's betting tax:

Ladbrokes axes $7.5m Broncos sponsorship over Qld betting tax​

​

Long-term Brisbane Broncos supporters Ladbrokes has axed a lucrative longstanding sponsorship deal in response to the state government’s new betting tax.​

​

https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/qld-politics/ladbrokes-axes-75m-broncos-sponsorship-over-qld-betting-tax/news-story/f4eb485135712c6daecbfb052cb7a06a?amp&nk=7c5e9bcc21ae12c9f858147893b02101-1675946467

There's a massive difference between profiting from gaming machines and signing a deal with a sports betting company. There are betting ads plastered all over the TV during the football. Laurie Daley reads out the odds on Matty Johns Show. The Cowboys' deal with SportsTab will have less influence on the public than the betting ads that are screened during every NRL game. I wish my club didn't collect money from this industry, but they're not going to say "no" when plenty of Sydney clubs have similar deals.

The Wests Tigers are sponsored by PlayUp.

Corporate Sponsors

Corporate Sponsors

www.weststigers.com.au

Roosters are sponsored by Unibet.

Corporate

The Sydney Roosters are undoubtedly one of the most recognised and respected sporting clubs in Australia. As a founding Club since 1908, the Sydney Roosters encapsulate exactly what it means to be part of a winning team both on and off the field.

www.roosters.com.au

Sharks are sponsored by PointsBet.

Sponsors

Sponsors

www.sharks.com.au

Panthers are sponsored by Blue Bet.

Partners

Partners

www.penrithpanthers.com.au

Eels are sponsored by Bet M.

Commercial Partnerships

Commercial Partnerships

www.parraeels.com.au

Points Bet sponsor the Sea Eagles.

Partners

Partners

www.seaeagles.com.au

Rabbitohs are sponsored by Crown Resorts, who have a gaming facilities.

Partnerships

Partnerships

www.rabbitohs.com.au

Our businesses - Crown Resorts

As one of Australia’s largest entertainment groups, Crown has a number of core businesses and investments in the integrated resorts sector. Find out more about our portfolio of businesses in Australia and abroad. Learn more.

www.crownresorts.com.au

And cowboys are leeching off the gambling industry, no difference between pokie dens or mobile phone gambling apps... both are gambling and the clubs are profiting from it, moving the goal posts again, you overgrown moudly potato

 

[Iamback]

Nor is anyone claiming it will be. We know there is small but dedicated RL fanbase here now and a city of 2.2million and growing to reach out to and engage with. You dont need to convert a big % of that to have a big club by NRL standards. Most NRL clubs would have 40-50k "active" fans, if that.

It goes Eagles >>>>>>Dockers>>>>Wildcats/Scorchers>Force>Glory in the Perth sports club landscape.

If an NRL club can claim a strong third place that is a major win for rugby league.

Yes and of those 40k-50k the potential fanbase is way smaller.

Even Dolphins should slip into 2nd for crowd averages, QLD TV ratings are strong so that is a lock

 

[Iamback]

I dont think a 20k membership and 15k crowd avg is unrealistic for a well run NRL club in Perth, knowing as I do where RL is at here.

If HBF is $125k to host a game, Does 15k make a profit?

 

[Stewbum]

This thread is the best!

Indeed!

 

[Perth Red]

You used the fact pay TV & kayo numbers aren't broken down by city to assume Perth's NRL fan base was far greater than it is, against any reasonable logic given game has a low profile there.

You boasted about participation numbers until I pointed out that rugby has three times the players & another poster said game is in decline over there.

You post the same image of game from 2013 to support argument of strong Perth fan base, despite most recent game at same stadium doing about 4k.

You immediately assume Perth will pull among the biggest home crowds in the NRL & record 20k members despite most metrics showing low interest in rugby league in the city.

You assume those numbers even as unrealistic as they are, are enough for club to produce profit despite other clubs recording similar numbers for losses, notwithstanding the greater costs for a Perth based team & promoting in market where game has little profile.

You talk about the millionaire businessmen ready to bankroll club & then when pressed name Benny Elias.

You're an f'n idiot

1. lie. It isnt a fact because we dont know the ptv numbers for perth. Youre the one using fta as some sort of relevant measure when it isnt. WHast the FTa figures for Perth for origin and GF? Why didn't you answer my question about 95% of Sydney not watching a FTA NRL game?

2. lie. The last rugby league game in perth drew a sell out 60k crowd. The last NRL game at HBF Park was 6 years ago and in a horrendous storm 6,258 brave souls went. The last rugby league game at HBF Park was Nines and drew a crowd of 24.8k. The last NRL game in Perth drew 38k to a double header at Optus. Interesting you picked the real outlier of the lowest rugby league crowd since 1997 as your evidence? Classic trolling.

3. Which clubs? Link to their financials. The increase to $5mill over grant will mean those numbers are more than enough to be profitable. And if you arent you really shouldn't be running an NRL club!

4. Lie. I gave you the name of 3 multi-millionaires who are on record as saying they want to own a Perth club.

You're a troll, and not a very good one.

 

[Perth Red]

If HBF is $125k to host a game, Does 15k make a profit?

You would have to factor in a wide range of other revenue and expenses to answer that question. Weve seen from Souths figures that an active fanbase of 14k crowd avg and 30k membership generates $9.8million a year, and with other positive revenue, generates $2.5mill profit. So all things being equal, Id say yes.

 

[Iamback]

You would have to factor in a wide range of other revenue and expenses to answer that question. Weve seen from Souths figures that an active fanbase of 14k crowd avg and 30k membership generates $9.8million a year, and with other positive revenue, generates $2.5mill profit. So all things being equal, Id say yes.

Souths have a very good Stadium Deal, They are basically paid to host games and then sell a couple of games off a year. Surely a few games will be needed to be at Optus