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Impact of Corona shutdowns on Future NRL expansion..

taipan

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so point me to that post. Whom were these consultants and what where they brought 8n to do and did they do it? The only person I’ve ever heard mention is Richardson and imo he did a good job putting together an extensive blueprint for the future of the game.
Smith wasn’t on $2mill he was on $1mill according to newspapers at the time Greenberg was appointed on $500k.

Smith had his faults as all CEOs do but he was a man who could have modernised the game if he had been given the support to. As it is we are no better off, clubs and states running the joint with self interest driving bad decisions.

You know full well the appointment of these people.We have argued about the in prior threads.
Not what I read Smith was on $2m and Greenberg $1m.$500k is not much more than some club CEOs.

Better still I'll give you the names, and you can tell me their wonderful achievements on huge salaries.
Daily Telegraph 22nd January 2015 gives examples.
Shane Richardson
Suzanne Young
Andrew Fraser
Sandy Olsen
Paul KInd
It was noted the combined huge salaries of these guys would have gone close to funding another club.Maybe even a Perth one LOL.
Tell me Smith's faults? I'll throw in one for starters:extravagance.I'm sure if you try really really hard, you can come up with some.
 

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You know full well the appointment of these people.We have argued about the in prior threads.
Not what I read Smith was on $2m and Greenberg $1m.$500k is not much more than some club CEOs.

Better still I'll give you the names, and you can tell me their wonderful achievements on huge salaries.
Daily Telegraph 22nd January 2015 gives examples.
Shane Richardson
Suzanne Young
Andrew Fraser
Sandy Olsen
Paul KInd
It was noted the combined huge salaries of these guys would have gone close to funding another club.Maybe even a Perth one LOL.
Tell me Smith's faults? I'll throw in one for starters:extravagance.I'm sure if you try really really hard, you can come up with some.

well the article I read from when Greenberg was appointed head of football had him on $500k and smith on $1million. Are you saying Greenberg was on a $million and took the ceo job with no pay rise lol? Maybe they were all just guessing??

Like I thought you can’t actually tell me what they did or what they got paid, your just going by the typical media beat up of the game I guess? Everyone slams Richardsons employment by Smith yet he produced a bluePrint for the game that could have taken t to a very different place in not scupper Ed by the clubs and state leagues. and you have still failed to make comment on last years admin bill being $5mill more than smiths spend in 2013. If Smith was wasting money wtf has Greenberg been doing?
Lol they werent paid anything close to a clubs funding, unless the nrl was doing it off the books!

for me smiths faults were his inability to control the clubs and media (not that anyone has!) his lack of strategy for expansion (not that anyone has!) and his inability to grow crowds in line with the games strategic plan (not that anyone has!).

in the positive column he handled the drugs debacle very well, he had a strong financial plan for the games money and he actually produced an annual report and a strategic plan which we hadn’t seen for over a decade. Compared to the quality of the ceo before him and after him I’d take him any day of the week.
 
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taipan

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well the article I read from when Greenberg was appointed head of football had him on $500k and smith on $1million. Are you saying Greenberg was on a $million and took the ceo job with no pay rise lol? Maybe they were all just guessing??

Like I thought you can’t actually tell me what they did or what they got paid, your just going by the typical media beat up of the game I guess? Everyone slams Richardsons employment by Smith yet he produced a bluePrint for the game that could have taken t to a very different place in not scupper Ed by the clubs and state leagues. and you have still failed to make comment on last years admin bill being $5mill more than smiths spend in 2013. If Smith was wasting money wtf has Greenberg been doing?
Lol they werent paid anything close to a clubs funding, unless the nrl was doing it off the books!

for me smiths faults were his inability to control the clubs and media (not that anyone has!) his lack of strategy for expansion (not that anyone has!) and his inability to grow crowds in line with the games strategic plan (not that anyone has!).

in the positive column he handled the drugs debacle very well, he had a strong financial plan for the games money and he actually produced an annual report and a strategic plan which we hadn’t seen for over a decade. Compared to the quality of the ceo before him and after him I’d take him any day of the week.

1) So unable to give details on the spectacular results of these consultants.Colour me not surprised.
2) You are quite happy to cite and usemedia beat up articles in the D.T when it suits.

The irony is overwhelming.
NB figures reported around 500K to each of these consultants.And for a contracted period, so they had to be paid out early.Do the maths.
 

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1) So unable to give details on the spectacular results of these consultants.Colour me not surprised.
2) You are quite happy to cite and usemedia beat up articles in the D.T when it suits.

The irony is overwhelming.
NB figures reported around 500K to each of these consultants.And for a contracted period, so they had to be paid out early.Do the maths.

yeh keep believing slothfield lol. I don’t know what they were employed to do so how can we judge what outcomes they had? The nrl had two significant surpluses during this period so maybe that was an outcome? The affiliated states and development officers were all brought under the nrl ownership, maybe that was an outcome? The nrl rebranded with one cohesive brand across the game, maybe that was an outcome, the blueprint for the future of the game has led to plenty of improvements, maybe that was an outcome? The legal and policy structure of the game wa s modernised and brought up to date under a new ownership model, maybe that was an outcome? A strategic plan for the game was developed, maybe that was an outcome? A new tv deal was commenced, maybe that was part of the consultants job?

you don’t have any facts at all, neither do I. Believe what you want, I’d still take smith over Gallop or Greenberg any day of the week.
 
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taipan

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yeh keep believing slothfield lol. I don’t know what they were employed to do so how can we judge what outcomes they had? The nrl had two significant surpluses during this period so maybe that was an outcome? The affiliated states and development officers were all brought under the nrl ownership, maybe that was an outcome? The nrl rebranded with one cohesive brand across the game, maybe that was an outcome, the blueprint for the future of the game has led to plenty of improvements, maybe that was an outcome? The legal and policy structure of the game wa s modernised and brought up to date under a new ownership model, maybe that was an outcome? A strategic plan for the game was developed, maybe that was an outcome? A new tv deal was commenced, maybe that was part of the consultants job?

you don’t have any facts at all, neither do I. Believe what you want, I’d still take smith over Gallop or Greenberg any day of the week.


I repeat one more time, you have the audacity to complain about Slothfield and the D.T, then when it suits your argument, you use the exact same sources.

I still await your commentary on the work of the consultants appointed by Smith(the one you continually laud) and what they achieved.The female consultant had zilch to do with the TV deal.
 

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I repeat one more time, you have the audacity to complain about Slothfield and the D.T, then when it suits your argument, you use the exact same sources.

I still await your commentary on the work of the consultants appointed by Smith(the one you continually laud) and what they achieved.The female consultant had zilch to do with the TV deal.

can you read? I’ve just posted a raft of outcomes that happened 13-15, who knows what the consultants were or weren’t responsible for. You keeping believing slothfield if you like. Anyway you don’t have any facts back up your “opinion” and I can’t see on the nrl books a massive outlay for consultant fees in that period so that’ll do me, believe what ever you choose.
 

taipan

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can you read? I’ve just posted a raft of outcomes that happened 13-15, who knows what the consultants were or weren’t responsible for. You keeping believing slothfield if you like. Anyway you don’t have any facts back up your “opinion” and I can’t see on the nrl books a massive outlay for consultant fees in that period so that’ll do me, believe what ever you choose.

Your usual mish mash is like reading Swahili.
They didn't last long in their roles which gives you half an answer.You don't usually get the flick if you are successful in any business
Usually within rugby league any big achievement is spelt out in the media grape vine.

" Keep believing Slothfield" ROFL, when you are the same guy who has no problem citing his statements and his paper when it suits, hypocrite.

Of course I don't have any examples of their" spectacular results ",because it appears there weren't any.You can't show me any, so you have underpinned my argument.
I don't believe any of the past CEOs can congratulate themselves, including your squeeze Smith.
 

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Wow...! I just can’t understand why you’d abandon your juniors like that....

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...r/news-story/2a3833231b813724bdb739e52ba1e0fd

this is what really psses me off. The nrl clubs operate like they have all the money in the world and then need multi million $ bail outs every year from LC’s. The LC’s get tax breaks and allowed to operate as they are supposed to pump money into junior sport. If the nrl clubs cut their clothes accordingly the LC would be able to fund junior RL a whole more, and you know fulfil their mandate.

imagine how much stronger grassroots RL and kids sport generally would be of the $30million plus a year that goes to bailing out nrl clubs was flowing back to the community!
 

titoelcolombiano

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Three potentials

1. NRL use it as an excuse to once again do nothing in regards to growing the game for the next 5 years
2. Chances of a club going bust have increased meaning a possible relocation is more likely
3. Nrl realises it needs more revenue to save for a rainy day and gets serious about selling more content with a ninth game

On the laws of probability I would say #1 is most likely.

You are underestimating the NRL here. They have way more capacity to be short-sighted than you give them credit for. I wouldn't be surprised if it is a combination of 1 and 2. Here is a comical, yet unfortunately somehow believable scenario:

NRL announce that due to COVID-19, expansion will be taken off the table for the next 5 years. Manly then go bust due to the shut-downs. NRL announces on the back of Manly's demise that they need a 16 team competition to fulfil TV contracts. NRL hastily re-admits the North Sydney Bears in Manly's place forgoing the opportunity to install Brisbane 2 or Perth citing the previous reluctance to expand.
 

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this is what really psses me off. The nrl clubs operate like they have all the money in the world and then need multi million $ bail outs every year from LC’s. The LC’s get tax breaks and allowed to operate as they are supposed to pump money into junior sport. If the nrl clubs cut their clothes accordingly the LC would be able to fund junior RL a whole more, and you know fulfil their mandate.

imagine how much stronger grassroots RL and kids sport generally would be of the $30million plus a year that goes to bailing out nrl clubs was flowing back to the community!



What $30m does the NRL spend on bailing out clubs each year?
 

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The NRL is eyeing expansion as early as 2022 with ARLC chairman Peter V’landys revealing plans to fast-track the birth of a second Brisbane team to “dominate” the Queensland market.

The Sunday Mail can reveal V’landys will begin a full financial probe of the code’s finances in a bid to deliver a fourth Queensland side as part of a 17-team competition for the 2022 season.

The revelation will rock the Queensland sporting market with V’landys keen for the Broncos and a second Brisbane team to take a stranglehold over rival codes the AFL, rugby and football’s A-League in the Sunshine State.
There were fears the coronavirus pandemic had torpedoed the NRL’s planned expansion for 2023 but, ironically, the COVID-19 ordeal could expedite it.
The NRL finalised a revised broadcast deal on Thursday worth an estimated $280 million annually for the next three years and that has given V’landys the fiscal clarity to ramp-up his mission for a second Brisbane team.

In the new broadcast deal negotiated by V’landys with Channel 9 and Fox Sports, there is contractual scope for a 17th team to be added — and the ARLC boss wants a second Brisbane team sooner than expected.

Asked if he is aiming for a 2023 expansion time frame, V’landys said: “I actually believe it can be earlier than that.

“There could be a second Brisbane team in 2022.

“To be honest, with the broadcast deal done, it might expedite our plans with expansion.

“We now have financial certainty.

“A second Brisbane team will generate even more value for the code in my eyes. But I want to make this very clear _ we are fully behind the Broncos and Titans and it is important we do not cannibalise those existing clubs in the southeast Queensland market.

“Ensuring the viability of the 16 clubs, and that includes the Broncos and Titans, is my priority.

“But in my eyes, expansion is on the agenda and I still think Brisbane needs a second team to dominate Queensland.

“The coronavirus pandemic hasn’t ruined the expansion plans at all.

“I am very much attracted to another team in Queensland. There is a need for it.”

V’landys’ stance on expansion is a shot in the arm for Queensland’s prospective NRL teams, with Ipswich’s western-corridor bid, Redcliffe, the Brisbane Bombers and Easts Tigers all in the mix for a 17th licence.

After a long 10-year wait, the Bombers are well advanced with their bid, having formulated a 200-page document. The western-corridor bid and Redcliffe are also ready to go.

The Sunday Mail understands the NRL’s next franchise would require at least $10 million in start-up funding, which would bolster the $13m currently allocated to each of the 16 clubs.

Before the COVID-19 crisis hit, V’landys addressed the ARL Commissioners on the importance of growing the game.

With the NRL now back up and running, the ARLC boss confirmed he will undertake an investigation of the game’s finances to explore ways to launch a second Brisbane team in 2022.

“I will now sit down and do a full analysis of where we head with expansion,” he said.

Asked if there is a provision in the broadcast contract for a 17th team, V’landys added: “Yes, we have to look at our revenues and expenses and it will come down to an analysis to say: one, we can afford it and, two, there will be a return on capital.

“What has changed is the landscape and the impact of this crisis on our finances.

“I need to sit down and look at whether we can afford to expand the game and we need to get the outcomes we desire, otherwise it’s not worth doing.

But I still think the outcome is there and I still believe the return on capital of a second Brisbane team is still there.

“If we were negotiating the contract next year, we would have no clarity, but now we are 12 months ahead of ourselves in some ways and that helps us map out the future.

“Obviously, the onus is on us to trim expenses at the NRL. You have to have a sustainable model and what I need to ensure is that we improve that sustainable model, not make it worse.”

Should the NRL expand in 2022, that would give a second Brisbane team just 18 months to implement structures, recruit a coach and sign a 30-man roster.

But V’landys believes there is sufficient time for a start-up franchise.

“I appreciate a new team would need to plan quickly, but 2022 is still two years away,” he said.

“Look at what we have done getting the NRL back up and running in eight weeks.

“Having 12 to 18 months would be a luxury for a second Brisbane team to be ready.

“A second Brisbane team has to fit into the revamped cost structure of the game. If it doesn’t, expansion won’t happen, but I believe we can make it happen.”

BOMBERS READY TO GO FOR 2022 SEASON

Bombers bid director Nick Livermore says his franchise can be operational by 2022 as Lord Mayor Adrian Schrinner backed plans for a second team in Brisbane to join the Broncos.

ARL Commission chairman Peter V’landys has given the NRL’s prospective bid teams a stunning ray of hope by revealing the code could fast-track a second team in Brisbane in time for the 2022 premiership.

The Bombers, Ipswich’s western-corridor bid, Redcliffe and the Easts Tigers were initially targeting possible admission in 2023, but Livermore welcomed the prospect of entering the NRL 12 months earlier.

https://www.couriermail.com.au/spor...2/news-story/26e0285a895e6a5b82f1710fdc6bd3bf
 

taipan

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Funny that.The code gets a degree of financial long term financial backing, and thus able to now bring up expansion.
Of course the same would have happened with nothing in place after 2022, LOL.
 
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bombers is a shit name, dolphins and tigers, Bengals are cool for kids,
kool 4 krazy kats
Dolphins or Easts would be winners. Jets will struggle as Ipswich is not a revered city in south-east Queensland. If Easts get approval then make it under condition the Queensland Government rebuild QEII Stadium at Nathan. That should get Fitzsimons' panties in a twist.
 

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Funny that.The code gets a degree of financial long term financial backing, and thus able to now bring up expansion.
Of course the same would have happened with nothing in place after 2022, LOL.

Its also lost 20% plus of its tv revenue so where he thinks the $13milion+ a year is coming from to fund it would be interesting to know. He’s only the third chairman I’ve heard say expansion is important and they are looking at it, maybe it will be third time lucky? Lol
 

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