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Indigenous All Stars vs Polynesian All Stars

Son of Minto

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paulmac

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I don't like the Pacific all stars idea but reckon a match between the 2 indigenous peoples of the country's that make up the NRL would be a great way to kick of the season. Play it around Waitangi Day on the GC and I'm sure you would get a massive crowd. Also there would be 2 passionate sides out on the field.
 

SpaceMonkey

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I think you will find the same goes for Cook Islanders, I doubt Pitcairn Islanders are Polynesian.

The majority of Maoris believe they are a race on their own, due to thousand of years of isolation.

Wrong on all counts, Cook Islanders, Pitcairn Islanders and Maori are all Polynesian. Of course they are all separate cultures and are the Tongans and Samoans, but they're all descended from the same wave of migration into the pacific and speak related languages. Melanesians are more closely related to Papuans, who are descended from a completely different lineage.

(Actually Pitcairners are part European as they're latgely descended from the Bounty mutineers, but the mutineers wives were Polynesian)
 
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oikee

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I don't like the Pacific all stars idea but reckon a match between the 2 indigenous peoples of the country's that make up the NRL would be a great way to kick of the season. Play it around Waitangi Day on the GC and I'm sure you would get a massive crowd. Also there would be 2 passionate sides out on the field.

Being watched by,,,,crickets,,,,, do ya hear crickets.

The indigenous boys cant field a decent team now, that is the problem.
I solved the faking problem, let them have a team in the nines. Keeps everyone interested.
 

magpie4ever

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Wrong on all counts, Cook Islanders, Pitcairn Islanders and Maori are all Polynesian. Of course they are all separate cultures and are the Tongans and Samoans, but they're all descended from the same wave of migration into the pacific and speak related languages. Melanesians are more closely related to Papuans, who are descended from a completely different lineage.

The majority of Maoris I know don't accept they are. They suggest they are a non-Polynesian due the thousand of years of isolation.

Cook Islanders probably the same. Pitcairn - Tahitian/Anglo English with plenty of inbreeding.

No skin off my nose either way.
 

magpie4ever

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You are just a pig in s*** when these topics come around aren't you. You just love it.

What up your arse, China?

If there is a 1st Australians all stars side and as suggested by the O/P a Poly all stars team and it not not about race and colour what is it about?

And as said by Betcats, why can't there be an Anglos allstars side? Or is that racist to have an Anglo (white) all stars side.
 

typicalfan

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What up your arse, China?

If there is a 1st Australians all stars side and as suggested by the O/P a Poly all stars team and it not not about race and colour what is it about?

And as said by Betcats, why can't there be an Anglos allstars side? Or is that racist to have an Anglo (white) all stars side.

It is just a saying, don't take it personally

It is the way it is so everyone is involved. By having the opposition as the NRL All stars it is just a good way to celebrate indigenous Australians and raise awareness in areas of need and putting on a show. The result of the game is irrelevant.

It is about heritage yes, colour no. Very different things. This game doesn't exclude anyone.

If an Anglo side was created in the same vein then no I don't think that is racist at all.
 

SpaceMonkey

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The majority of Maoris I know don't accept they are. They suggest they are a non-Polynesian due the thousand of years of isolation.

Cook Islanders probably the same. Pitcairn - Tahitian/Anglo English with plenty of inbreeding.

No skin off my nose either way.

Ethnically, they're all Polynesian. There's no debate in the matter, it's anthropologically proven and I don't know any Maori who'd debate it. And it's not thousands of years of isolation- it's around one thousand.

Now culturally it's a different matter. If what you are saying (and I think this is the point you're trying to make, you've just got your terminology mixed up a bit) is that Maori consider themselves somewhat separate to Pacific Islanders, then you're absolutely correct- they do, especially in NZ where they're the indigenous people and other islanders are mostly recent immigrants. But if asked they won't deny the fact that going back long enough, maori, cook Islanders, Samoans, Tongans are all descended from the same ancestors.

That said, I think it's a valid point that combining Maori with Pacific Islanders in a combined side doesn't make much sense- it's like combining all Europeans in one side.. A combined pacific Islands side (featuring the islands, both Melanesian and Polynesian but not NZ) makes more sense due to their closer cultural ties to each other over recent history.
 

SpaceMonkey

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Hypothetically if you had an Anglo side who would guys like Hayne, Inglis, JWH, Eastwood etc play for? They're all as Anglo as they're indigenous, poly or maori.
 

Fingerbang

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Why not just have a tournament where Country of Origin Allstar teams play each other. They could hold that say once every 4 years and call it, I don't know, a World Cup maybe?
 

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