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Indigenous All Stars vs Polynesian All Stars

Noise

Coach
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18,236
I have 1 main concern with a Polynesian / Maori all stars team. Where in the hell would all star Joseph Paulo play? Remembering he is captain of the USA team, Polynesian and an NRL all star. You can't have an all stars team without this future immortal.
 

magpie4ever

First Grade
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9,992
Ethnically, they're all Polynesian. There's no debate in the matter, it's anthropologically proven and I don't know any Maori who'd debate it. And it's not thousands of years of isolation- it's around one thousand.

Now culturally it's a different matter. If what you are saying (and I think this is the point you're trying to make, you've just got your terminology mixed up a bit) is that Maori consider themselves somewhat separate to Pacific Islanders, then you're absolutely correct- they do, especially in NZ where they're the indigenous people and other islanders are mostly recent immigrants. But if asked they won't deny the fact that going back long enough, maori, cook Islanders, Samoans, Tongans are all descended from the same ancestors.

That said, I think it's a valid point that combining Maori with Pacific Islanders in a combined side doesn't make much sense- it's like combining all Europeans in one side.. A combined pacific Islands side (featuring the islands, both Melanesian and Polynesian but not NZ) makes more sense due to their closer cultural ties to each other over recent history.

While I accept the Gong's and your posts, my beliefs are based on playing footy with Maoris from the 80s onwards and in discussions with Maoris following retirement mainly in Qz. The majority refuse to accept that they are Polys, but Maori a separate race and culture.

As said it is no skin off my nose. I'm only reinstating what has been said to me.
 

carcharias

Immortal
Messages
43,120
We need a whites only team
With a black fella in it.... Who mums great grandfathers uncles brother had 1% white fella in him from a ship wrecked sailors liaison with his mum.
 

Parra

Referee
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24,900
Why not add another pointless pre-season match.

We have the nines, this allstars crap. What could another match hurt?

As long as it is pointless it will have fans.

f**k the comp - bring on origin.
 

ed313909

Juniors
Messages
152
No... All polynesian and melanesian teams could field there own teams and compete against an indigenous team...
 

oikee

Juniors
Messages
1,973
Dismiss this all you like, you could see this coming.
With players and coaches down-talking our events, calling them micky mouse, and stars pulling out daily, why would anyone get excited.
The players and coaches are killing this code.
Sack the lot of them. Send em to Detroit with Hayne.
 

stormbati

Bench
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3,089
Don't like it. Maori v Indigenous is better the Maoris will have pride in their jersey as will their opponents.
 

GW.

Juniors
Messages
870
GW here,

Worst idea of all time.

Firstly, as mentioned- Fiji isnt Polynesia. Its Melanesia. Different shade of black.

Secondly, Shouldnt us Europeans have our own side then? The whitestars? Just as logical as this idea.
Could be a tri series?

Thirdly, Why only 5 new zealanders? Why not 5 aussies? You want to give more Tamou's in the world all the more reason to pick oz over NZ?

See how ridiculous this is getting?

Fourthly,
Samoans....Tongans....

They speak different.
They look different.
They have different cultures.
Whats more.....
They hate each other!!!!

Theres been racial stabbings recently and there's always fights out west between these two groups.
Tongans see Samoans as pompous idiots.
Samoans see Tongans as dopey 'horse eaters'
Tongans, Samoans are a different brand of black and its offensive to keep suggesting this.

This idea is almost akin to an israel/palestine vs Kurds soccer match.


Finally,
Why do my posts with genuinely thought out questions and ideas get relegated to the cave yet this stuff says in the NRL forum?

No way that extending the nines is a dumber suggestion than this.
 

oikee

Juniors
Messages
1,973
GW here,

Worst idea of all time.

Firstly, as mentioned- Fiji isnt Polynesia. Its Melanesia. Different shade of black.

Secondly, Shouldnt us Europeans have our own side then? The whitestars? Just as logical as this idea.
Could be a tri series?

Thirdly, Why only 5 new zealanders? Why not 5 aussies? You want to give more Tamou's in the world all the more reason to pick oz over NZ?

See how ridiculous this is getting?

Fourthly,
Samoans....Tongans....

They speak different.
They look different.
They have different cultures.
Whats more.....
They hate each other!!!!

Theres been racial stabbings recently and there's always fights out west between these two groups.
Tongans see Samoans as pompous idiots.
Samoans see Tongans as dopey 'horse eaters'
Tongans, Samoans are a different brand of black and its offensive to keep suggesting this.

This idea is almost akin to an israel/palestine vs Kurds soccer match.


Finally,
Why do my posts with genuinely thought out questions and ideas get relegated to the cave yet this stuff says in the NRL forum?

No way that extending the nines is a dumber suggestion than this.

Agree, of course it is dumb idea to introduce a Maori team, poly team, any other team. It deflates the pre-season and ads more non events.
The problem has been solved, and if you keep sticking your head in the sand you dont solve problems, you just get to talk about them next year, and the year after that, etc, etc, etc.
The problem rugby league has is that they are not very good at solving problems. It is why the game has not grown outside Sydney.
Even Brisbane has not expanded in the correct fashion.

The nines is where the indigenous need to enter a team.
We need to build on the nines and make that our major pre-season warm-up games.

Sit back and see what happens. No good getting ya knickers in a twist.
 

Parra

Referee
Messages
24,900
No different to a united indigenous team.

Comes from a position of white privilege. Lump 'em all in together and have a game. That'll keep 'em happy
 

oikee

Juniors
Messages
1,973
They should have Wayne Bennett as the CEO.
He has some brilliant ideas and what he say's makes sense. The Draft, the all-stars, growing events,,,,
unlike the rest of them, who just seem to move their lips.
Some love the sound of their own voice, but offer up nothing.
Better to be seen not heard for most coaches.
 
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