Is Cleary a dud?

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  1. mxlegend99

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    He has gotten more chances than he deserves... and with that comes the heat for continuously failing to deliver.

    Kenny will be crucified if he hasnt improved 5 seasons after his NRL debut too.
     
  2. franklin2323

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    Kenny wasn't hooker last year and may not be one going forward ( I said earlier I had doubts) but it doesn't change the fact Katoa hasn't developed in 5 years. ATM Kenny is better and a lack of options on the market means it will stay that way for the forseeable future
     
  3. OldPanther

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    I'm not prepared to give up on Egan yet like everyone else.
     
  4. herbert henry1908

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    He shouldn’t be given up on, but he needs to work on his game. Best place to do that is in Canterbury Cup.

    Kenny looks like he has the fitness to play 80 mins, so it might be possible for Egan to go back and look to improve.
     
  5. herbert henry1908

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    What doubts do you have? He looks pretty natural at the position to me, that’s not to say he’s going to be a star, but he does look suited to the position.
     
  6. franklin2323

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    Neither am I but needs good solid game time in NSW Cup. Kenny/Luai hooker rotation and let him go down for a few weeks and then come up
     
  7. betcats

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    He is getting a lot of heat this year its probably made worse by how disappointing we have been as a whole.

    I think he is encouraged by the coach to play what he sees as he pretty much has a free reign to do what he wants. Unfortunately he is just overplaying his hand this season.
     
  8. herbert henry1908

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    Luai should only be playing very limited minutes there if he must.
     
  9. OldPanther

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    Yeah it might help.

    I'd rather Egan at 9 than Luai if we are having a bench hooker unless you mean to give Luai first grade experience in whatever capacity we can.
     
  10. franklin2323

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    He has 2 Try assists. For comparision Ellis has 4. Burns 3
    2 line break assists. Again Ellis and Burns have more
    2 line breaks

    Top tackler but also top missed tackles. Given away 3rd most penalties

    Looks at handy FG. whether hooker is his position or not is the question.

    Certainly should be 1 of 2 hookers next year and the year after and see how he develops. also could be better suited to a lock like Murray is
     
  11. herbert henry1908

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    I don’t see another position for him other than hooker in FG, he’s too light for lock. Maybe he could play as a 14 if we find a better Hooker.

    What those stats don’t show is his quick service, which is an improvement off of our other two options.

    Also his running meters are an impressive 55m per game.
     
  12. franklin2323

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    The running metres are bit skewed as he often plays as a lock

    Radley is 92kg
    Murray is 90kg

    So there is hope if he doesn't work as hooker but a pre season will do wonders for developement
     
  13. franklin2323

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    I have said I'd play him as a centre or FB instead but that won't happen. So either some time off the bench or not at all.
     
  14. martielang

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    I think we simplified our attack with him at hooker which worked. Did he throw the ball more than 10m from Fake? He was effectively dumping it a metre or two either side of the ruck.
     
  15. herbert henry1908

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    Hadn’t he played hooker all this year? The 55m is only from this year
     
  16. herbert henry1908

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    I’d rather he played 5/8 in Canterbury Cup, at least he’s be fine tuning his game for next year
     
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    What doubt is there over Mitch Kenny? All he has do is what he did last week and he’s our best option at hooker easily.
     
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    The thing I love about Kenny is his energy and enthusiasm. He also tackles like a demon. He got the team fired up when he came on and started cutting out the legs of players. He has great attitude.
     
  19. franklin2323

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    I have seen 6 or so NSW Cup games he has played this year. He starts out hooker but comes on and Luai or Izzard stays hooker. He then plays as a lock
     
  20. franklin2323

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    Same issues as Katoa stats wise in NSW Cup just a better defence. He was better than Katoa but that is hardly a high standard. An off season with FG will do him well
     

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