Is Cleary a dud?

[mxlegend99]

I think we pretty much agree tbh I just think he gets a lot more heat than he deserves.

He has gotten more chances than he deserves... and with that comes the heat for continuously failing to deliver.

Kenny will be crucified if he hasnt improved 5 seasons after his NRL debut too.

 

[franklin2323]

Kenny wasn't hooker last year and may not be one going forward ( I said earlier I had doubts) but it doesn't change the fact Katoa hasn't developed in 5 years. ATM Kenny is better and a lack of options on the market means it will stay that way for the forseeable future

 

[OldPanther]

Kenny wasn't hooker last year and may not be one going forward ( I said earlier I had doubts) but it doesn't change the fact Katoa hasn't developed in 5 years. ATM Kenny is better and a lack of options on the market means it will stay that way for the forseeable future

I'm not prepared to give up on Egan yet like everyone else.

 

[herbert henry1908]

I'm not prepared to give up on Egan yet like everyone else.

He shouldn’t be given up on, but he needs to work on his game. Best place to do that is in Canterbury Cup.

Kenny looks like he has the fitness to play 80 mins, so it might be possible for Egan to go back and look to improve.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Kenny wasn't hooker last year and may not be one going forward ( I said earlier I had doubts) but it doesn't change the fact Katoa hasn't developed in 5 years. ATM Kenny is better and a lack of options on the market means it will stay that way for the forseeable future

What doubts do you have? He looks pretty natural at the position to me, that’s not to say he’s going to be a star, but he does look suited to the position.

 

[franklin2323]

I'm not prepared to give up on Egan yet like everyone else.

Neither am I but needs good solid game time in NSW Cup. Kenny/Luai hooker rotation and let him go down for a few weeks and then come up

 

[betcats]

I think we pretty much agree tbh I just think he gets a lot more heat than he deserves.

He is getting a lot of heat this year its probably made worse by how disappointing we have been as a whole.

I think he is encouraged by the coach to play what he sees as he pretty much has a free reign to do what he wants. Unfortunately he is just overplaying his hand this season.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Neither am I but needs good solid game time in NSW Cup. Kenny/Luai hooker rotation and let him go down for a few weeks and then come up

Luai should only be playing very limited minutes there if he must.

 

[OldPanther]

He shouldn’t be given up on, but he needs to work on his game. Best place to do that is in Canterbury Cup.

Kenny looks like he has the fitness to play 80 mins, so it might be possible for Egan to go back and look to improve.

Yeah it might help.

Neither am I but needs good solid game time in NSW Cup. Kenny/Luai hooker rotation and let him go down for a few weeks and then come up

I'd rather Egan at 9 than Luai if we are having a bench hooker unless you mean to give Luai first grade experience in whatever capacity we can.

 

[franklin2323]

What doubts do you have? He looks pretty natural at the position to me, that’s not to say he’s going to be a star, but he does look suited to the position.

He has 2 Try assists. For comparision Ellis has 4. Burns 3
2 line break assists. Again Ellis and Burns have more
2 line breaks

Top tackler but also top missed tackles. Given away 3rd most penalties

Looks at handy FG. whether hooker is his position or not is the question.

Certainly should be 1 of 2 hookers next year and the year after and see how he develops. also could be better suited to a lock like Murray is

 

[herbert henry1908]

He has 2 Try assists. For comparision Ellis has 4. Burns 3
2 line break assists. Again Ellis and Burns have more
2 line breaks

Top tackler but also top missed tackles. Given away 3rd most penalties

Looks at handy FG. whether hooker is his position or not is the question.

Certainly should be 1 of 2 hookers next year and the year after and see how he develops. also could be better suited to a lock like Murray is

I don’t see another position for him other than hooker in FG, he’s too light for lock. Maybe he could play as a 14 if we find a better Hooker.

What those stats don’t show is his quick service, which is an improvement off of our other two options.

Also his running meters are an impressive 55m per game.

 

[franklin2323]

I don’t see another position for him other than hooker in FG, he’s too light for lock. Maybe he could play as a 14 if we find a better Hooker.

What those stats don’t show is his quick service, which is an improvement off of our other two options.

Also his running meters are an impressive 55m per game.

The running metres are bit skewed as he often plays as a lock

Radley is 92kg
Murray is 90kg

So there is hope if he doesn't work as hooker but a pre season will do wonders for developement

 

[franklin2323]

Luai should only be playing very limited minutes there if he must.

I have said I'd play him as a centre or FB instead but that won't happen. So either some time off the bench or not at all.

 

[martielang]

I don’t see another position for him other than hooker in FG, he’s too light for lock. Maybe he could play as a 14 if we find a better Hooker.

What those stats don’t show is his quick service, which is an improvement off of our other two options.

Also his running meters are an impressive 55m per game.

I think we simplified our attack with him at hooker which worked. Did he throw the ball more than 10m from DH? He was effectively dumping it a metre or two either side of the ruck.

 

[herbert henry1908]

The running metres are bit skewed as he often plays as a lock

Radley is 92kg
Murray is 90kg

So there is hope if he doesn't work as hooker but a pre season will do wonders for developement

Hadn’t he played hooker all this year? The 55m is only from this year

 

[herbert henry1908]

I have said I'd play him as a centre or FB instead but that won't happen. So either some time off the bench or not at all.

I’d rather he played 5/8 in Canterbury Cup, at least he’s be fine tuning his game for next year

 

[betcats]

What doubt is there over Mitch Kenny? All he has do is what he did last week and he’s our best option at hooker easily.

 

[Pomoz]

The thing I love about Kenny is his energy and enthusiasm. He also tackles like a demon. He got the team fired up when he came on and started cutting out the legs of players. He has great attitude.

 

[franklin2323]

Hadn’t he played hooker all this year? The 55m is only from this year

I have seen 6 or so NSW Cup games he has played this year. He starts out hooker but comes on and Luai or Izzard stays hooker. He then plays as a lock

 

[franklin2323]

What doubt is there over Mitch Kenny? All he has do is what he did last week and he’s our best option at hooker easily.

Same issues as Katoa stats wise in NSW Cup just a better defence. He was better than Katoa but that is hardly a high standard. An off season with FG will do him well