Is Cleary a dud?

[Panther_Daz]

Where did you get your data from? The NRL site is useless for that analysis.

I had to go through each match from nrl.com and calculate it myself.

Fox Sports Lab had it at 96m before and 92m after.

 

[franklin2323]

I had to go through each match from nrl.com and calculate it myself.

Fox Sports Lab had it at 96m before and 92m after.

Everyone should use Fox sports stats. You can get rankings too so it is easier to judge against others

 

[Pomoz]

I had to go through each match from nrl.com and calculate it myself.

Fox Sports Lab had it at 96m before and 92m after.

Thanks. I found this site BTW https://www.totalfootystats.com.au/nrl-player-stats/ and with a bit of manipulation you can do averages and exclude rounds during a year a bit easier than manual calculations. So I excluded the Roosters games and those after it and then did the calculation excluding those games before the Roosters game. I got the same result as you, not much difference in data. But the data was really skewed by the 151m game he had against the Titans on his return from injury. Exclude that game and his average was down to 85m and 22 tackles. Before the Roosters game he was averaging 95.92m and 25.85 tackles. Thats what I remember from the end of the season, he just went flat. He lacked a aggression too, but Im not sure how stats can show that. He certainly wasn't the same player he was before.

The raw stats support your point though, but surely you saw that it had an effect on him?

The most salient point here though is his lack of consistency. You look through the season and some games he makes 50m (Titans Round 6) and he also produces 147m in a game against the Raiders, but makes just 16 tackles against the Tigers in round 11 and 36 against the Bulldogs. The coach must get frustrated with him.

On work rate of tackles and hit ups, he is rated 94th in the NRL for 2018. Kikau, JFH (our best worker), Merrin, Yeo and Tamou all rated higher.

I must admit, he is not in elite prop territory. He is just too inconsistent. Is he lazy, your anecdotes about his attitude seem to point to that?

 

[Panther_Daz]

I must admit, he is not in elite prop territory. He is just too inconsistent. Is he lazy, your anecdotes about his attitude seem to point to that?

He does not put his hand up for work no where near enough.

He had a hit up in the 2nd or 3rd set of the game on Friday night. Then the Tigers had their set. We then had the ball deep in our own territory, RCG was meant to have a run but dogged it because he had one a couple of minutes earlier so the Katoa pass missed everyone and hit the deck.

 

[Bob]

He does not put his hand up for work no where near enough.

He had a hit up in the 2nd or 3rd set of the game on Friday night. Then the Tigers had their set. We then had the ball deep in our own territory, RCG was meant to have a run but dogged it because he had one a couple of minutes earlier so the Katoa pass missed everyone and hit the deck.

I guess that’s why the story came out re his attitude, I guess we’ll only have to wait a few weeks till he puts in as then the SOO discussion gets real and he wants to get selected again

 

[Panther_Daz]

I guess that’s why the story came out re his attitude, I guess we’ll only have to wait a few weeks till he puts in as then the SOO discussion gets real and he wants to get selected again

Yep he will definitely go up a gear leading into Origin selection to get that extra $90K.

 

[herbert henry1908]

 

[Pomoz]

Yep he will definitely go up a gear leading into Origin selection to get that extra $90K.

Not a fan are you Daz?

 

[Panther_Daz]

Not a fan are you Daz?

He is not value for money if you judge his performances over the past 12 months.

 

[Pomoz]

He is not value for money if you judge his performances over the past 12 months.

Fair enough. Maybe I was being too soft on the fact his jaw was smashed because he was having a good season until then.

We have plenty of good players, we just need them to be consistent for the value of the cap they take up. Our roster was one of the youngest for a number of years and it showed in the level of errors. This year those player are starting to get towards the 100 plus game range and the excuses must stop.

 

[Pomoz]

These stats are wooden spoon stats.

 

[forby]

These stats are wooden spoon stats.

And yet we are 2 and 2. Stats aren't the be all, and often mean nothing.

 

[billypilgrimnz]

And yet we are 2 and 2. Stats aren't the be all, and often mean nothing.

Obviously they don't take into account what the opposition did on game day, but a coach would be derelict of duty if they wrote off stats like that as "meaning nothing"

 

[Buzzard Breath]

Another sad stat to add to that.
After 4 rounds this is our worst start for scoring points since 1978.
If tries were worth 4 points back in 1978. This season would be the clubs worst in the clubs history for scoring points after 4 rounds.

 

[tripster]

Other thing to remember about our start to the year is that we have played 2 wet weather games, and one game in almost zero degree temperatures.

 

[mxlegend99]

Other thing to remember about our start to the year is that we have played 2 wet weather games, and one game in almost zero degree temperatures.

And we had 2 tries disallowed against Tigers. One the NRL admitted should have been a try. The other by the current rules was wrong too. You couldnt say for certain Mansour went out.

For such a statistically bad start to the year. Having 2 wins from 4 games isn't bad. We havent played well yet. When we do the stats should level out.

 

[franklin2323]

Other thing to remember about our start to the year is that we have played 2 wet weather games, and one game in almost zero degree temperatures.

Rained in Bathurst too..sure it rained the day of the game in Newcastle

It hasn't rained every game Ivan has coached though.. He can't coach attack

 

[franklin2323]

Fair enough. Maybe I was being too soft on the fact his jaw was smashed because he was having a good season until then.

We have plenty of good players, we just need them to be consistent for the value of the cap they take up. Our roster was one of the youngest for a number of years and it showed in the level of errors. This year those player are starting to get towards the 100 plus game range and the excuses must stop.

That is it for me. I doubt if we backed the right guys to get elite money

 

[Crashtest]

There has been plenty of negative comments towards Nathan Cleary lately. So it good to read a positive opinion of him for a change:

Crawley Files: 10 best NRL players to build a club around
APRIL 10, 2019Dean Pay says that when Canterbury have room to move under their salary cap the Bulldogs will look to buy a franchise player to build their future around.

It poses the question, if all the best players in the game were off contract right now, who would you want your club to splash its cash on?

With Billy Slater and Johnathan Thurston retired, and Cameron Smith and Cooper Cronk nearing the end of their careers, along with Greg Inglis and James Maloney, I’ll put forward my top 10 just for argument’s sake.

In no particular order I’d go: Cameron Munster, Sam Burgess, Josh Hodgson, Jason Taumalolo, Kalyn Ponga, James Tedesco, Luke Keary, the Trbojevic brothers, Tom and Jake, and Nathan Cleary.

Cleary, I hear you say? Well, you tell me another 21-year-old in the game, aside from Ponga, who would have been feeling the pressure Cleary was under last Friday night and still come up with two clutch moments that ultimately decided the result against Wests Tigers?

Firstly, it was the sideline conversation as the fulltime hooter sounded in the background.

That was followed by a 40m field goal in extra-time that handed the Panthers two vital points which could turn their season around.

No, it wasn’t Cleary’s finest game for the most part, and his partnership with Maloney this year just hasn’t clicked.

But if there were any doubts about Cleary’s place in the NSW halves, I believe those final few minutes put them to bed.

For a young playmaker who has been under such scrutiny since he arrived on the scene, Cleary has done an incredible job to develop his game on and off the field.

Phil Gould said this week that two years ago Cleary couldn’t kick to save his life. But once again it showed the value of hard work, and why Cleary is a born leader.

I sometimes think Cleary has become the new Mitchell Pearce for people to bag just because picking on the NSW No.7 seems like the popular thing to do.

But this young man is an asset to the game and deserves to stand alongside the superstars.

 

[TheFrog]

I guess that’s why the story came out re his attitude, I guess we’ll only have to wait a few weeks till he puts in as then the SOO discussion gets real and he wants to get selected again

The time he has to put in if he wants to make the NSW side is right now. Fittler and his assistants will have picked the bulk of their side 2-3 weeks out from the announcement. He hasn't got all that long, and to be honest I think its too late already.