Is Latrell Mitchell overrated?

[SBD82]

The only thing Joey saved in 1997 was the Newcastle disco biscuits industry. 5000% industry growth after September

To be fair, that’s a pretty heroic achievement.

Have you been to Newcastle? Imagine having to live life there without an artificial serotonin dump.

 

[Wb1234]

The only thing Joey saved in 1997 was the Newcastle disco biscuits industry. 5000% industry growth after September

That 2001 grand final was beautiful

all the parra fans had left by half time

joeys games plan to was to run over Jason Taylor

 

[Apey]

Anyway back on topic.

Shit fullback.

 

[Bazal]

To be fair, that’s a pretty heroic achievement.

Have you been to Newcastle? Imagine having to live life there without an artificial serotonin dump.

It's also a high baseline for him to improve on!

 

[ColdWetPanther]

There are a couple of posters on here that prove my earlier point; whoever does Joey’s PR is the true immortal.

 

[Wb1234]

There are a couple of posters on here that prove my earlier point; whoever does Joey’s PR is the true immortal.

Not just immortal

voted the best half back in the history of rugby league by a panel of experts

 

[King hit]

Off the top of my head I'd at least rate the 1995 and 2000 Maroons teams as worse than anything that's been rolled out over the past 5 series. You know full well Bennett wouldn't have gone anywhere near that Qld side in 2020 if he thought it was as poor as the revisionist historians want to imply...

I haven’t forgotten what Fittler said in his autobiography about that series. The night before game 3 he was in the hotel with the chief wondering where the team was. Turned out they were on the pokies all night not giving a shit. They agreed they were getting whitewashed on the spot. Despite what people say the Blues were wrecked pretty hard that year. The bulk of the 3 straight series wins were expelled from that series and Gould was massively sidetracked by the legal fight of super league.

 

[blue bags]

That's why I specifically said his efforts in defence. I don't think he shows the urgency, effort, and awareness at Fullback, which is allowing opposition teams to take advantage of Souths.

Even on Good Friday, there was an instance where the Bulldogs kicked to the corner and the Souths winger picked up the ball to return. From the moment the ball was kicked to when the Souths winger was tackled, Latrell WALKED (not a jog) across the field, never getting himself into a position to support his winger.

I've seen that from latrell many times
It could be an ADD thingy
Plus energy levels. Fitness

 

[Reflector]

I haven’t forgotten what Fittler said in his autobiography about that series. The night before game 3 he was in the hotel with the chief wondering where the team was. Turned out they were on the pokies all night not giving a shit. They agreed they were getting whitewashed on the spot. Despite what people say the Blues were wrecked pretty hard that year. The bulk of the 3 straight series wins were expelled from that series and Gould was massively sidetracked by the legal fight of super league.

I have that book as well. Like 2020 for Qld or 2014 for NSW, 1995 was one of those series where the planets all aligned for one state- in this case, Qld. I'm convinced that even with their best line-up available, had SL not broken out then NSW win with their Raiders contingent available and Gus 100% focused on Origin rather than all the off-field distractions. He's admitted since that he should've managed that series better.

 

[King hit]

I have that book as well. Like 2020 for Qld or 2014 for NSW, 1995 was one of those series where the planets all aligned for one state- in this case, Qld. I'm convinced that even with their best line-up available, had SL not broken out then NSW win with their Raiders contingent available and Gus 100% focused on Origin rather than all the off-field distractions. He's admitted since that he should've managed that series better.

Vautin did a great job rallying that team together. Really got them pumped and believing, he didn’t have that super league distraction which helped that Queensland outfit, Was the perfect guy for that one particular year. The next year was the planets aligning again but for NSW.

I had a beer with Billy Moore back in 2021 (Absolute legend of a man) he had some pretty full on stories about 1996. Vautin tries the same thing but the Broncos are back and tell Vautin to his face they won’t listen to him as this job is for Bennett and you aren’t good enough for us. Only Christ himself would know why the Maroons weren’t beaten in that whitewash by more.

 

[Wb1234]

There are a couple of posters on here that prove my earlier point; whoever does Joey’s PR is the true immortal.

 

[Big Pete]

The issue with NSW in 1995 was having too many chefs in the kitchen. Between Mary, Tezza, Matty, Joey, Sedaris, Mackay, Freddy, Flo etc. they were overloaded with playmakers and nobody was able to take control of the attack.

Joey wasn't perfect, but his kicking game kept the Blues on the front foot and he provided his outside backs with plenty of good early ball. Johns just couldn't get his hands on the ball enough to orchestrate anything.

 

[ColdWetPanther]

I am not trying to say that Joey is shit because that would be childish. Just trying to show those that claim that Cleary is shit because he has not dominated Origin like Joey are only looking at a small proportion of Joey’s Origin career; a couple of series in his late 20s when he was excellent.

Before that, he played second fiddle to Toovey and Fittler (who controlled the team, much like what Mahoney did for Cleary in his first few years) and then when he did get given the keys, he couldn’t get NSW across the line until much later in his career.

This is not to say that Cleary will do what Joey did in those few series. But given his performances at club level over that time and how his game continues to evolve it is likely that he will have a few more series that he dominates like the 2021 series.

 

[ColdWetPanther]

You say system like it is a bad thing…

 

[MKCS]

Latrell is overrated for mine, good for a few games a year where he stands up and shows his brilliance and does enough as an individual each week to be solid but that's really it for mine, despite this you turn on Fox League during any Souths game they are always talking about how he's the danger man and if Souths are to have any hope of winning he's the guy, you then see him jogging the ball back on kick returns and not really standing up when the team needs him.

For me I'd easily take Walsh, Tedesco, Ponga, Edwards and Tom Trbojevic before Latrell if I was an NRL club looking for a fullback.

 

[bedlam breakout]

LM picked at full back again this week instead of centre - proving JD cant grow a pair and would rather lose his job than stand up to LM and fellow dud CW

 

[Munky]

Using this logic it confirms Johns was a system halfback in 1997 since Leo Dynevor stepped in and did the job for most of the season.

 

[Captain Apollo]

You say system like it is a bad thing…

Indeed. The Chicago Bulls from 1990-1998 played a system known as the Triple Post Offence (aka The Triangle). Is it any surprise that they won 6 NBA titles during that period, when prior to its implementation even with Michael Jordan they had won zero?

 

[Wb1234]

Using this logic it confirms Johns was a system halfback in 1997 since Leo Dynevor stepped in and did the job for most of the season.

Joey was beating better teams in grand finals

in an era when the nrl was way more competitive

are Penrith really so good or the nrl so crap ?

bit of both

 

[Apey]

Well I tried, but it's another Penrith! thread. Wasn't their fault this time, I'll give them that.