Opinion Is Ricky Stuart the most overrated coach ever?

[nick87]

The rule has been quoted above and it seems that the Touch Judge cannot stop play.

Sometimes the rulebook contradicts itself.

So I'll need more info if I'm going to come across to the other side.

The touch judge can not stop the game
The touch judge can only put his flag up when the ball has gone into touch
When the touch judge raises his flag, the on field official is, by rule, supposed to stop the game

The play should have been stopped and a scrum feed awarded to the sharks. Maybe they score anyways
Maybe they don’t. Who knows

But the one thing we do know is that the try should not, by rule, have been awarded
This has been confirmed and accepted by all save for a few sharks fans on LU

 

[Quicksilver]

The touch judge can not stop the game
The touch judge can only put his flag up when the ball has gone into touch
When the touch judge raises his flag, the on field official is, by rule, supposed to stop the game

The play should have been stopped and a scrum feed awarded to the sharks. Maybe they score anyways
Maybe they don’t. Who knows

But the one thing we do know is that the try should not, by rule, have been awarded
This has been confirmed and accepted by all save for a few sharks fans on LU

Where does it say this?

 

[Jimmy Clark]

And getting the same results as a Cronulla peptide program

No such thing as peptides. Just ask any Shark supporter.

 

[Quicksilver]

No such thing as peptides. Just ask any Shark supporter.

Can we please keep this thread on track.

 

[Frailty]

Where does it say this?

Section 16, Accept Touch Judge decision 10. The Referee shall accept the decision of an official Touch Judge relating to touch and touch in-goal play and to kicks at goal.

It's worth noting though, that the reason the Touch Judge has copped a lot of blame, is because it was not anywhere near touch. But technically once he raises his flag to signal it's in touch, the referee should blow the whistle to stop play.

 

[Quicksilver]

Section 16, Accept Touch Judge decision 10. The Referee shall accept the decision of an official Touch Judge relating to touch and touch in-goal play and to kicks at goal.

It's worth noting though, that the reason the Touch Judge has copped a lot of blame, is because it was not anywhere near touch. But technically once he raises his flag to signal it's in touch, the referee should blow the whistle to stop play.

But only the ref can stop play. The touch judge dropped his flag as soon as he raised it and the player is nowhere near the touch line. The rule about accidents only applies to a whistle. Until the whistle blows the play continues.

 

[Frailty]

But only the ref can stop play. The touch judge dropped his flag as soon as he raised it and the player is nowhere near the touch line. The rule about accidents only applies to a whistle. Until the whistle blows the play continues.

Correct, which is why I have suggested Canberra players screwed up as well.

However, the very fact that the Touch Judge raised his flag, which notifies the ball has gone out of play, the referee should have stopped play, as the TJ is essentially the sole determinant of what is in touch or touch in goal.

If the TJ was trying to call a knock on, he messed up even more so because that's not how it should be gestured.

Either way, a team was going to be screwed - This time it was Raiders. If play was stopped - it would have been the Sharks.

 

[Quicksilver]

So how is a knock on meant to be reported? what is the touch judges' proper gesture for that?

 

[Frailty]

So how is a knock on meant to be reported? what is the touch judges' proper gesture for that?

Usually it will be done through the comms unit they all wear. They are usually tested prior to the start of each half, but it does not always work.

When it fails, the gesture is usually a small knock on gesture with the non-flag carrying hand. You will actually see touch judges do this even with the comms unit working.

At that point, it is up to the referee to call it, or carry on with play.

 

[Quicksilver]

Correct, which is why I have suggested Canberra players screwed up as well.

However, the very fact that the Touch Judge raised his flag, which notifies the ball has gone out of play, the referee should have stopped play, as the TJ is essentially the sole determinant of what is in touch or touch in goal.

If the TJ was trying to call a knock on, he messed up even more so because that's not how it should be gestured.

Either way, a team was going to be screwed - This time it was Raiders. If play was stopped - it would have been the Sharks.

See, I really think this is at the Ref's discretion at this stage. He's noted that the touch judge has put his flag straight down and it was clear that it went up in error. This indication is for the ref only- it is not for the players. The touch judge has made it clear that he didn't think that the ball went out by dropping his flag straight away. At no point if asked would the touch judge have said it went out.

This is why the only person in control of stopping the play is the ref. It's up to him to make the call. Until that time the players carry on.

 

[Quicksilver]

Usually it will be done through the comms unit they all wear. They are usually tested prior to the start of each half, but it does not always work.

When it fails, the gesture is usually a small knock on gesture with the non-flag carrying hand. You will actually see touch judges do this even with the comms unit working.

At that point, it is up to the referee to call it, or carry on with play.

I reckon I've seen touchies raise flags to get attention for other breaches as well, but I'll take your word for it.

 

[carcharias]

Is there a rule about refs throwing a dummy whistle blow?
In the press conference the pommie player used that as a reason for the players not tackling Katoa

I must say
Ricky must f**king hate our guts even more than ever.

 

[typicalfan]

But only the ref can stop play. The touch judge dropped his flag as soon as he raised it and the player is nowhere near the touch line. The rule about accidents only applies to a whistle. Until the whistle blows the play continues.

This is why people felt like the touch judge was going to be thrown under the bus as at that point Sutton was obligated to stop the game. If play was stopped it would have been Raiders feed imo as Sutton was of the opinion it was a knock on and was sent up no try. This would have dudded the Sharks as it looks like it wasn’t a knock on. This is more my point that the whole problem stemmed from the actions of Sutton and the touchie because once the touchieput his flag up someone was going to get dudded either way.

This is why there is talk of too many distractions for officials because highly trained professionals are making simple errors. Probably the same as a poorly coached NRL side.

 

[Frailty]

Is there a rule about refs throwing a dummy whistle blow?
In the press conference the pommie player used that as a reason for the players not tackling Katoa

I must say
Ricky must f**king hate our guts even more than ever.

No. You will actually see referees quite frequently put their mouth to the whistle to blow a penalty but pull out if there is advantage being gained, etc.

 

[Vee]

Actually i think the point we lost the game was when the on field official, inexplicably call a forward pass on a try, which has also been CONFIRMED as incorrect.

CONFIRMED?

Link?

 

[Vee]

Section 16, Accept Touch Judge decision 10. The Referee shall accept the decision of an official Touch Judge relating to touch and touch in-goal play and to kicks at goal.

It's worth noting though, that the reason the Touch Judge has copped a lot of blame, is because it was not anywhere near touch. But technically once he raises his flag to signal it's in touch, the referee should blow the whistle to stop play.

And what if the touchie changes his decision as he clearly did in this case? Before the ref can blow his whistle?

 

[Jimmy Clark]

Can we please keep this thread on track.

No.

 

[AJB1102]

If the refs boss can review Leilua's pass and determine calling it forward was incorrect with enough certainty to issue an apology, why can't forward passes be sent to the bunker?

 

[nick87]

CONFIRMED?

Link?

“Canberra were then denied a try to Brad Abbey after officials ruled a forward pass, which also proved to be the wrong call, Sutton admitted yesterday.”

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sp...ot-the-first-this-season-20180721-p4zsta.html

 

[Quicksilver]

"Sutton called Stuart to inform him Cronulla winger Sione Katoa should never have been awarded a try after a touch judge raised his flag to signal a knock-on on Friday night. Canberra players stood around waiting to pack a scrum when they saw the flag raised, only for Katoa to play on and stroll across the try line untouched."

That makes it sound so different to how it actually played out. From reading that I picture 5 forwards huddled together. In real life a guy put his hands up and let a bloke run past him.