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Generalzod

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If the refs boss can review Leilua's pass and determine calling it forward was incorrect with enough certainty to issue an apology, why can't forward passes be sent to the bunker?
I think it had something to do with the camera angles...
 

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nick87

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The full quote:
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sp...-game-face-standing-down-20180721-p4zstl.html

"The forward pass is obviously a very subjective one. At times there can be momentum in the pass, which allows the ball to travel forward across the ground and still be acceptable.

"So they're a difficult one to judge and often camera positions don't lend themselves to making an accurate assessments, but in this case I believe the pass was OK."

It's also been reported that the touch judge cleared that pass, and the on field official overruled him.

But I dont know how else you could read that other than to say the Referee's Boss thinks they got the call on the forward pass incorrect.
 

Quicksilver

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He's saying it is subjective and not putting a lot of weight behind his assessment.

At the time I thought the pass was flat but the longer I look at it the more I think it did go forward in relation to the direction in which the passer was travelling, as the bloke was running towards the sideline.

It's a line ball IMO. Could go either way. I wouldn't have had a problem if they let it go.
 

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He's saying it is subjective and not putting a lot of weight behind his assessment.

At the time I thought the pass was flat but the longer I look at it the more I think it did go forward in relation to the direction in which the passer was travelling, as the bloke was running towards the sideline.

It's a line ball IMO. Could go either way. I wouldn't have had a problem if they let it go.
Even if you do think it’s forward, why no penalty to Canberra? The only reason Leilua threw the long ball is because of the Sharks players loitering in an offside position.

Another f**k up.
 

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AJB1102

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The full quote:
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sp...-game-face-standing-down-20180721-p4zstl.html

"The forward pass is obviously a very subjective one. At times there can be momentum in the pass, which allows the ball to travel forward across the ground and still be acceptable.

"So they're a difficult one to judge and often camera positions don't lend themselves to making an accurate assessments, but in this case I believe the pass was OK."

It's also been reported that the touch judge cleared that pass, and the on field official overruled him.

But I dont know how else you could read that other than to say the Referee's Boss thinks they got the call on the forward pass incorrect.

I don't see how that helps anyone. He shoulda stuck to talking about the Katoa try. Unless he can absolutely say the call was wrong or right he shouldn't go into it. Just further muddies the water, undermines his staff and highlights that the refs and their bosses aren't on the same page. Footy fans interpret that as a confirmation the call was wrong.

As for the touchy clearing the pass, well, we all of a sudden trust that merkin?
 

nick87

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The NRL referees boss literally said the pass was OK.

So whatever else you want to try and read into for your own agenda, you can.

The phrase “but in this instance” acts to distance his statement of “I believe the pass is OK” from the obligatory subjective call part

Effectively he’s saying “forward passes are often subjective and tough to assess on replay given the deceptive camera angles, but in this case it’s clear a mistake was made, the pass was ok”
 

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And what if the touchie changes his decision as he clearly did in this case? Before the ref can blow his whistle?

I would suggest they fall under the same rule as referees do that say they can’t change a decision once they have made it.

The rule does specifically state the word “referee” though, so from a strictly literal reading of the rules you could argue it doesn’t apply to touch judges.

Yet another wonderful grey area in our game, although one that’s never really needed any clarification until now.
 

nick87

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Also given the shit he was facing re the touch judge, why the f**k would he say he felt the pass was ok if he could possibly get away with saying otherwise

If there was ANY justification for him to say “no, that call was correct, we’re only dealing with one potential game changing f**k up, not two”
Doesn’t it make sense that he would take it

It makes no logical sense why he would say the pass was OK if he had justification for backing his officials
 

Vee

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The rule does specifically state the word “referee” though, so from a strictly literal reading of the rules you could argue it doesn’t apply to touch judges.

Yet another wonderful grey area in our game, although one that’s never really needed any clarification until now.
I think it is clear and you're hard put to argue it applies to touch judges.
 

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Even if you do think it’s forward, why no penalty to Canberra? The only reason Leilua threw the long ball is because of the Sharks players loitering in an offside position.

Another f**k up.

They didn't get involved with the play. By the time the ball was passed they were back the 10.
 

nick87

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They didn't get involved with the play. By the time the ball was passed they were back the 10.

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AJB1102

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Also given the shit he was facing re the touch judge, why the f**k would he say he felt the pass was ok if he could possibly get away with saying otherwise

If there was ANY justification for him to say “no, that call was correct, we’re only dealing with one potential game changing f**k up, not two”
Doesn’t it make sense that he would take it

It makes no logical sense why he would say the pass was OK if he had justification for backing his officials

He's a f**king idiot springs to mind as a pretty good reason. Just like his brother, the best ref in the game apparently, who played a fair roll in the actual f**k up down the other end of the field. Forward pass calls are buggered up dozens of times a game; if they can't get them right from the dummyhalf to the lead runner we shouldn't have high expectations anywhere else.
 

nick87

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Should’ve been 20 penalty’s against the raiders for offside in the first half alone.
Kudos, you've at least finally given up on pretending the calls were correct.
That's progress, carch.

But on that point, the Sharks should have had 400 penalties against them for offside in the 2nd half!
 

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