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Opinion Is Ricky Stuart the most overrated coach ever?

some11

Referee
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That letter could've been written yesterday.

States perfectly about what everyone knows about 2002, he had sweet f**k all to do with it.
 

nick87

Coach
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Everyone for years has been talking about Stuarts "passion" fact is,he has no more passion and desire than any of the present (or past) coaches going around.

It's like any job, people are generally doing what they want to do but you walk into any profession and you'll find some who are very good but not particular passionate and others who are insanely passionate about what they are doing

Not everyone has the same level of passion, coaching is no different. Doesn't mean he's any good. In fact often the most passionate aren't particularly good, but if you lined up all the nrl coaches and ranked them on passion for the job, I have no question he'd be near the top

Unfortunately he would probably run stone cold last in the abilities table.
 

Charlie124

First Grade
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He is a finisher, not a builder

I've said before I reckon he'd win the comp with Souths this year because his style is highly effective for that hungry team, close to the top. He can bring a toughness and attitude to a side like that that can help them get over the top (small point of order, I don't think they need it because I think Madge has them primed for this years premiership), and when teams are winning they can hate him and his style but rationalise it by saying "hey, it gets results"

But he can't build, the message rings hallow after a 2 years, much sooner if you aren't winning.

Can't doubt his passion and desire to win, that can rub off on a team lacking the killer instinct to go to the next level, but as we have seen time and time again, it doesn't work for rebuilding teams

I can't agree with that, he somehow lost he World Cup and had a better NSW team (at times) than Laurie had this year and failed there too.
 

nick87

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I cant excuse the Australian WC loss, but i think the SOO results had a lot more to do with QLD than they did NSW

QLD had a lot of injuries this year, to key players. Not a healthy team. NSW still had to earn their wins the hard way, the real hard way too.
Stuart got the absolute peak of QLD's might. Smith, Slater, Thurston, Cronk, Inglis, Hodges, Thiaday, Scott, etc all at their peaks.

I dont think coaching was the problem with NSW, i just think those QLD teams were just too good for anything NSW had to offer. I dont say that to defend Stuart, im clearly no fan of his. But i just honestly think that QLD team would have beaten NSW regardless, the talent disparity was massive.
 

Penrose Warrior

First Grade
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True coaches are able to adapt, to learn, to take on tough challenges, to guide bad sides to be better and great sides to create dynasties.

Ricky might claim the last one but they fell off a cliff past 2005 and were a rabble for a long time.

It's worth highlighting that Rick has ruined 4 clubs. That's a quarter of the competition - pretty amazing feat.
 

Card Shark

Immortal
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He hasn't ruined Canberra....yet. He surely is heading that way though.

It was always highly unlikely he'd improve things...everyone bar their board knew that.
 

Aragorn

First Grade
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Ricky is a talker, he's not a thinker, not a strategist, not a coach.

And he talks a good talk, but like all one trick ponies, his talking can only last so long.

With age, come dementia, and his once inspiring speeches are now just words of a mad man.

Ricky, may he rest in peace.

the senile old fool.
 

nick87

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He hasn't ruined Canberra....yet. He surely is heading that way though.

It was always highly unlikely he'd improve things...everyone bar their board knew that.

agreed. Harsh to put the state of the Raiders on the guy who's been then less than a year. He'll have PLENTY of time to ice the cake of failure at the Raiders, no need to jump the gun
 

MaxPower

Juniors
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Since my post got deleted for not having a link...

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...i-have-better-things-to-do-20091123-j066.html

Dear Ricky, perhaps you misunderstood my comments during the week about your predicament at Cronulla.

Your invitation to have me come to training and talk to your players about attacking football is quite flattering, however, I didn't actually offer you any assistance.

First, I'm retired.

Second, even if I were motivated to coach, you'd be the last person I'd help.

To be honest Ricky, you are the most pig-headed and ungrateful person I've met in football. I discontinued my association with you four years ago because I could no longer tolerate your petulance.

As for your childish comments I somehow cost you your position at the Roosters 18 months later, perhaps my lawyers should ask you to explain that rubbish in court. People are sick of your continually trying to rewrite history. These feeble attempts to erase the real factors behind your sacking and blame others for your demise are embarrassing.

Football clubs don't terminate coaching contracts lightly. Managements agonise over such decisions for months. History will show your team was underperforming and you'd lost the confidence of those who count. End of story.

Sure it hurts, but there's no shame in being sacked. We all get sacked. That's part of being a coach.

Remember, Ricky, two coaches had to be sacked to provide employment for you at the Roosters and Sharks.

Stuart Raper must be scratching his head at why he was removed to make way for you, given your current position on the premiership ladder. Do you ever spare a thought for him?

It's time you stop this ridiculous charade of being hard done by.

Roosters management did you a favour terminating your contract. It provided you with a perfect opportunity to start afresh at another club and save your reputation. Meanwhile, your replacement, Chris Anderson, had to come in and try to mop up the mess you left behind. Sadly, the enormity of the task cost him his health and his job.

You should also note, Ricky, that I didn't make these latest comments about your coaching in the normal course of my work with Channel Nine or my newspaper columns.

I was asked for comment by a journalist from The Daily Telegraph. This is the organisation for which you work. Perhaps you should be directing your dummy spit at that newspaper and asking why it pursued me for comment, given I have no relationship with your employer whatsoever.

The journalist who contacted me said it was about time someone questioned your performance at the Sharks. He highlighted the fact that your Sharks started this season as third favourites to win the comp but are now favoured for the wooden spoon.

He noted the Sharks scored fewer tries than any other team last season. He watched a weakened Melbourne beat the Sharks 26-0 in the preliminary final last year. Only a week later, Manly thrashed the Storm 40-0. The Sea Eagles obviously knew how to attack them. He'd witnessed your Australian team, full of the most talented players in this country, lose the World Cup final on home soil to an under-strength New Zealand.

He mentioned your purchase of four new players this season - three of them internationals - to bolster your team's attacking potency.

He noted you had released players such as Brett Kimmorley (Bulldogs) and Isaac De Gois (Knights) to make way for these purchases.

I guess we've all noticed their outstanding form for their new clubs and, in particular, what creative attacking players they've proven to be.

The journalist asked me if you should be under pressure to lose your position. I got the distinct impression your own newspaper was about to recommend your sacking. My reply was simple. "No. He can coach. He just needs some help. He's always needed help."

I've made similar comments about several young coaches over the years, but none of them reacted the way you did. Did I touch a nerve?

I'm in a position to make these comments because I know your style of coaching better than anyone.

In your time at the Roosters you received plenty of quality assistance. Certainly more than you've ever acknowledged.

Assistant coaches such as Dean Pay, John Cartwright and Ivan Cleary were tremendous.

Both Cleary and Pay won lower-grade competitions with the club. Cleary and Cartwright are now outstanding coaches at the NRL level with the Warriors and Titans respectively.

These people contributed enormously to your success and the success of the Roosters.

My comments this week merely suggested you've always relied heavily on the contributions of others and perhaps you should seek similar assistance to help the Sharks' players realise their full attacking potential. Perhaps I'm guilty of expressing the bleeding obvious.

Your emotional reactions to my rather tame comments this week speak a thousand words. Is there something you don't want people to know?

In the end, The Daily Telegraph journalist made a very compelling argument; however, I suggested the Sharks' problems could be rectified without sacking the head coach.

During your time at the Roosters I continually praised your work ethic and promoted your coaching ability to the public.

I was also instrumental in your securing coveted positions such as the NSW State of Origin and Australian coaching jobs. I made strong recommendations on your behalf.

It was unfortunate you lost the prestigious position of Australian coach due to your temper and inability to accept responsibility for your own losses; but, to be honest, this came as no surprise.

If it makes you feel any better, Ricky, you are a better coach than I ever was - but that doesn't mean very much.

You have a quality team there at the Sharks. There are also plenty of knowledgeable people around who can assist you. I expect things to turn for the better soon.

In the meantime, trust your players. Help them build confidence in their own ability. Don't read the papers.

Other than that Ricky, I have no advice for you.
 

smi962

First Grade
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Ricky is a talker, he's not a thinker, not a strategist, not a coach.

And he talks a good talk, but like all one trick ponies, his talking can only last so long.

With age, come dementia, and his once inspiring speeches are now just words of a mad man.

Ricky, may he rest in peace.

the senile old fool.

I can't believe his talking is still working i.e. landing him a high paid job in Canberra. The fact he is all talk should have been recognised a couple of clubs back. Well I guess it did kind of, but somehow losing SOO for a number of years made him a commodity again.
 

tumbidragon

First Grade
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9 different premiers and 12 grand finalists in 16 years says otherwise Sooky Stuart... You're just a shit coach son. Time to walk away with what little dignity you have remaining.
 

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