Is this right?

[obelix]

(...)

For anyone to suggest that as the French had an exceptional rugby league side in the early fifties that, QED this would continue,ignores the realities of the effects and after effects of the Vichy/union fandangle during the war years banning rugby league.Weak administration aside if you cant have your sport officially recognised,cant get it in the schools,get no govt financial support,have all your assets handed over to an opposing sport,have a large early 40s bank balance disappear (one can only guess where LOL),you can't grow your game or strengthen your game.Any sports administrator in Oz would agree,except those union apologists who tend to make guest appearances.

I also think this needs setting in a wider historical context. It's clear now that the famed French Resistance was much smaller than portrayed after the war. A realistic estimate is that 60,000 people were involved in actively fighting against the Nazi regime, compared to the 2 million or so who carried the cards issued by the French Government to give them special privileges as people who had resisted the occupation. This is hardly a surprise, of course.

Where this is relevant for the history of Rugby League in France is that between 1945 and the early 60's, the myth of French resistance was swallowed and promoted by all. Acts of resistance were glorified.

It's therefore no suprise that the banned game, the game which obviously stood against everything the Nazi regime stood for simply because they were the ones who tried to ban it, benefited from the resistance bandwagon jumpers. RL's geographic location in the so called "Free France" (Vichy was known as the "Free France government - basically the South of France but without the western coastline) also assisted as it was played in the areas which did resist the occupation most actively. As people who had resisted, your favourite sport would of course be the one which was supressed by the Nazi's - leading to the upsurge in popularity and brief success of the sport and national team in the 50's.

Things changed in the 60's, though the writing was on the cards in the late 1950's. There is no doubt that the clubs' failure to invest in grass roots development made it easier for the game to decline (with the difficulty in investing coming, in part, from the sequestration of assets during the war), but looking at the wider society the new generation started to ask tough questions about what really happened during the war, and the "demythicalisation" of the French Resistance began. In this context, Rugby League again became more marginalised, with De Gaulle's promotion of Rugby Union, and the need to re-unify a troubled country becoming the main concern for the majority of people.

I haven't seen a history of French RL dealing with the post war period and so I can't add flesh to the bones of the above theory when talking about RL specifically, but you have to remember that although it sounds theoretical, we are talking about a nation in deep turmoil and going through a period of soul-searching as it struggled to understand the occupation. This touched the whole of French society, of which RL was, of course, only a small part.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

This is a matter for the French, I would have thought. They don't seem to care about it. Why should anybody else?

I don't care about all the other crap you wrote, but I'll ask you this.

If the French didn't care, WTF are they talking about in French on a French Rugby League site?

I've been to a fair few French Rugby and union sites, they all talk about it.

Woods, pull your head out of your arse!!!!!

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

Here Woods you pathetic old liar.

This was printed yesterday in France, I'll translate it for you.

David Senyarich points out that fight XIII-XV was a political stake >>

When Vichy zigouillait Rugby with XIII…



Rugby with XIII, ex-sport of mass, returns by far. It survived the prohibition of Pétain, supported by the Vichyist one port-would sell Jep Pascot in 1941. Today, this working discipline, sociologiquement of left, takes its revenge. All has a direction…

Jep Pascot (1897-1974)
bury Rugby with XIII in 1941​

N 1933, when the Catalan player Jean Galia, of Ille on Small fireclay cup, introduced in France Rugby with XIII, English environment is there. Because the scission XV/XIII, woven in England in 1895, was born from the refusal of the clubs of the South (London at the head) to pay the been unemployed hours and the travelling expenses in the train of the modest players of conditions. To make in short, one can say “the poor play the XIII, the rich person play the XV”. It is thus of a social fact that a composition with 13 players appears, effective in 1906: two 3rd lines are removed, it does not have there more keys, the balloon can be preserved after plating, by a tacle towards the team-member of behind, and the spectacle is sharper. Here is for the genesis. In 1937, the French selection of Rugby to XIII gains the world cup by capping over the post England and Wales. Bordeaux, Perpignan, Bayonne, Grenoble, Lyon and Paris have their club. Pre-war period, the rise of the XIII cuts down the federation of XV by 44% of its teams, converted with the rebellious model. The play of attack of this néo-Rugby allures the rural soils and the press is organized in rival camps. The newspaper the Echo of the Sports is for, the Car (ancestor of the Team) is against.
Rugby with XIII enters in hell under the mode of Vichy by the decree of December 19, 1941 when the Pétain marshal indicates the “dissolution of Association known as Ligue French Rugby to XIII”. Because the lobby quinzist, directed by the collaborationnist Albert Ginesty, President of the French Federation of Rugby with XV, charged the interest of an exclusive marriage of its sport to the exaltation of the virtues of a youth of white, expensive race with the Pétain marshal. On bottom of occupation, this chicanery is subjected to the authority of the Director of the Sports of the government, Catalan colonel Joseph Pascot (known as Jep), of Port-vendres, former international quinzist and half of opening of the USAP. An inheritance of several tens of million frank the time is thus seized: 225 clubs as well as goods real estate and furniture, often redistributed to the XV! Despoiled and banished, Rugby with XIII starts, officially, a crossing of the desert. Actually, it holds its popular, working, and rural role, anchored within the daily newspaper and the school framework. XV, the more present one in Perpignan, which enjoys a smarter imagery, benefits from the disgrace of his/her comrade without gaining the part frankly, in a kind of legal abuse moderate in the facts. It is only into 1991 that the cheap term of “Play with XIII” is abolished with the profit of “Rugby with XIII”, in spite of the multiple oppositions judicaires emitted by the federation of XV… From there to treat the quinzists of petainists and the treizists of gauchists, far is necessary oneself some.
Illegality with the revenge of the Catalan Dragons
In 2006, with the counter of the coffees of Canohès, Barcarès, or Palau del Vidre, one always positions as quinzist or treizist, in an eternal cultural dichotomy. On the Catalan, refractory ground with the central capacity, the XIII formerly found a compost of combat, but the varnish branchouille of the USAP gives to XV brighter gloss, overall correct. To become leading or voluntary of XV is a stronger social distinction.
The XIII never died, it is the major sport in Australia, it survives Morocco and the counties of English North, Yorkshire and Lancashire, are faithful for him in a permanent proletarian recruitment. In Russia, the quivering of Rugby with XIII succeeds its setting with the variation by the Soviet mode. In South Africa, where Apartheid banished legal field. Like Vichy. By here, gently, the XIII cost. An association, entitled “XIII credit”, created in 1997 in Arles on the Rhone, requires a repair of the decree “treizicide” of Pétain. In 2000, the communist Minister for the sports Marie-George Buffet is leaning on the subject, without continuation. Since February 2006, the entry of the team Catalan Dragons into Super league English offer with Rugby with XIII French and Catalan a new visibility, but its French media resonance is still close to zero: the journalists and media of mass being concentrated in Paris, football occupies the front of the scene. Noble Rugby, to XV, embarrassing them already much, to nourish an immediate hope for the savages proles of the XIII would raise of is delirious. There precisely is the challenge. Rugby with XIII, in search of credit (S) in France, will have found its plume of antan and will have fallen its costume from bastard as soon as the women, converted with Rugby in 1998 in the wake of successes of the USAP, are interested in it in a number. It will be the sign of the revival.
David Senyarich | 09.06.06








Here's the front page of sport woods, the French do care about it.


http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.la-clau.net/


And you have just been owned.









Again.

 

[taipan]

I also think this needs setting in a wider historical context. It's clear now that the famed French Resistance was much smaller than portrayed after the war. A realistic estimate is that 60,000 people were involved in actively fighting against the Nazi regime, compared to the 2 million or so who carried the cards issued by the French Government to give them special privileges as people who had resisted the occupation. This is hardly a surprise, of course.

Where this is relevant for the history of Rugby League in France is that between 1945 and the early 60's, the myth of French resistance was swallowed and promoted by all. Acts of resistance were glorified.

It's therefore no suprise that the banned game, the game which obviously stood against everything the Nazi regime stood for simply because they were the ones who tried to ban it, benefited from the resistance bandwagon jumpers. RL's geographic location in the so called "Free France" (Vichy was known as the "Free France government - basically the South of France but without the western coastline) also assisted as it was played in the areas which did resist the occupation most actively. As people who had resisted, your favourite sport would of course be the one which was supressed by the Nazi's - leading to the upsurge in popularity and brief success of the sport and national team in the 50's.

Things changed in the 60's, though the writing was on the cards in the late 1950's. There is no doubt that the clubs' failure to invest in grass roots development made it easier for the game to decline (with the difficulty in investing coming, in part, from the sequestration of assets during the war), but looking at the wider society the new generation started to ask tough questions about what really happened during the war, and the "demythicalisation" of the French Resistance began. In this context, Rugby League again became more marginalised, with De Gaulle's promotion of Rugby Union, and the need to re-unify a troubled country becoming the main concern for the majority of people.

I haven't seen a history of French RL dealing with the post war period and so I can't add flesh to the bones of the above theory when talking about RL specifically, but you have to remember that although it sounds theoretical, we are talking about a nation in deep turmoil and going through a period of soul-searching as it struggled to understand the occupation. This touched the whole of French society, of which RL was, of course, only a small part.

Agree that resistance at times can be left to the minority of the population eg France,eg Yugoslavia WW2,eg Norway WW2 the dangers are enormous for the brave few.
The only point I would like to add that rugby league's tremendous surge in popularity in France started in 1934 through to 1939,before the Vichy mob came into being,so the impetus was well and truly there,as were the assets physical and monetary,by the time the Nazis invaded.
The clubs failure to invest in grass roots may well be an admin problem,however the non recognition officially of the game of RL by the govt and the benefits thereby attached(with the collusion of RU),stifled and strangled any chance of growth in the years after the 50s.
It was only on october 1997 that the then Minister of sport Mme Marie-George Buffet announced that the govt -backed enquiry would be constituted to make "a vigorous evalution of sport's policy in France under the Vichy regime"
It was from memory 2002 that an announcement(a result of the inquiry albeit little publicised) that indeed the code of rugby league had been wronged and the finger was pointed at rugby union as being complicit.
A public well publicised announcement would have been embarrassing to the FFR,(again I believe some arm twisting behind the scenes) to prevent this happening.
BTW it is the post war period that I am concerned,1951 is only 6 years after WW2 ended a miniscule time.It is the following 50 years of which 38 years the game could not officially be given its correct title instead(called game of X111).

You can have the best administration in the world ,however if there are limited or no resources,its a mountainous task to grow the game at grassroots-just ask the blokes (doing tremendous work) behind the game's development at present in Europe-Yanto and der Kaiser.
Its a case of funding and offically being recognised by governments.

 

[winnyason]

In my opinion it is and was "disgracefully disrespectful" for a sport to cloak itself in the Anzac name, especially when - as the above article re-affirms - that sport continued its competition for the duration of the Great War, when most young Australian boys and men felt it their duty to enlist, and when the name came into its hallowed existence.

And yet rugby union gets tarnished because of the actions of a corrupt government in France, the very country that those young men of Australia rushed to defend in 1914-18 ( stupidly, jingoistically, whatever), and of course during the Second War, with the game that is later tarnished virtually disappearing in Queensland for 15 years, and closed down in New South Wales for the duration of the First War, and of course badly affected afterwards.

In most posts about the Vichy regime's role in attacking league, you will see the phrase bandied about that "rugby union behaved dishonourably".

I suppose that like beauty, honour is in the eye of the beholder. People behave dishonourably, not a sport

wake you f**king grub, go back to your sh*tty hideout on some crap union club in terrigal. That is about the worst call i have every heard disrespectful?
why is the afl match collingwood vs bombers the same. You are a waste of a good wank and that is the truth.

Truth has it the ffr13 are building funds for a legal compensation the believe they will have enough funds by 2009,& mark my words someone will have to pay for this.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

Woods99

This is for you and your mates at planet Union.

http://lemondedurugby.chez-alice.fr/histfranc.html

The French treizists can be proud of their rich person history
French Rugby is a large fisherman in front of the British eternal. Not
being always very orthodoxe, its misdemeanours were worth to him to be
excommunicated by twice, in 1913 and 1931. Perfidious Albion having
been the anathema on soft France, the leaders treizists of On the
other side of the channel estimated that the occasion was splendid to
send a task force on the continent. The arrival of the Kangaroos in
England, with the autumn of 1933, was decisive. The director of the
Australian round, Harry Sunderland, gave his total agreement and,
October 3, 1933 in the morning, one saw unloading in Paris: Harry
Sunderland, the Scot John Wilson, secretary-general of League Rugby,
and the very honourable Joe Lewthwalte, Walters Popplewell and
Wielfried Gabbat who had, thereafter, to follow one another the
presidency of League Rugby.

To contact the official ones of the FRR, that was not thinkable, it
was necessary to act by the band, to touch the ground. John Wilson,
who had represented Great Britain in cycling with the OJ of 1912 in
Stockholm, estimated that wisest would be to contact a man knowing
best the situation of the sport in France, his friend Victor Breyer,
member of the Union Cyclist International and directing of the Echo of
the Sports. John Wilson and Harry Sunderland are reflected agreement
with Victor Breyer to organize a match-demonstration,
England-Australia, December 31, 1933 at the Pershing stage. As for to
contact personalities of French Rugby, Victor Breyer advised with the
emissary of On the other side of the channel to see a young journalist
responsible for the heading Rugby in Sporting and which was not other
than Maurice Blein. The leaders of League Rugby wanted to invite a
group of French rugbymen to make in England a round of initiation.

"to lead this round, you do not need not official in rupture of
federation, but a player who is at the same time a daring chief and
this man exists, it is Jean Galia." Maurice Blein affirmed. Jean Galia
was one of strong personalities the than French Rugby produced, that
which English themselves had indicated like the best before Europe.
Large rugby player if it were, and Jean, businessman warned Galia,
this October of the year grace 1933, was a man in anger. The
Federation had just erased it for a mysterious business. After having
signed in Quillan for 80 000 franks-or, without federal justice
moving its sword of an inch, Jean Galia had passed to Villeneuve
where the three Catalan high-speed motorboats, Bardes, Noguères and
Greenhouse-Martin had followed. That made beautiful stirs up household
in the enough federal one and more than one frog shouted with the
scandal. The federal sleuthhounds are reflected in track. One bribed a
post-office employee villeneuvois, charged to divert, towards the
federal court, any correspondence allowing to establish that the three
Catalans had not gone for plums in the capital of prunes.

"to lead this round, you do not need not official in rupture of
federation, but a player who is at the same time a daring chief and
this man exists, it is Jean Galia." Maurice Blein affirmed.
One fine day, the spy intercepted a telegram intended for Noguères
where it was a question of a "travel allowance" and which was signed:
Jean. Like killing his dog one says that it has the rage, the federal
leaders, who hardly liked the strong personality of Jean Galia, issued
that this Jean there it was Galia. Although this one affirmed in front
of the federal judges, and until the end of its life, that he was not
the author of the telegram, he was erased. As of this day, Jean Galia
wanted a revenge bright. Contacted by the emissary of League Rugby, it
agreed to see the match England-Australia, December 31, 1933, in
Paris. It made an icy cold the day of New Year's Eve but nevertheless,
20 000 spectators invaded the Pershing Stage to see the
Australia-England match. In spite of the icy ground, the demonstration
was a triumph, the clear victory of Australia (63-13), the speed of
the play of the Kangaroos, astounded the French public. With the end
of the match, John Wilson and Harry Sunderland found Jean Galia who
says to them simply: "For when you want a team of France in England?"

The round was fixed at spring 1934. Jean Galia had such a prestige,
which it did not have any sorrow to gather seventeen of the best
players of the moment to leave with him to discovered néo-Rugby. The
seventeen pioneers who, at the beginning of March, were going to try
the adventure were as follows: Galia (turnover Villeneuve), Recarborde
(Paloise Section), Duhau (S.A Of Bordeaux), Samatan (S.U Agen),
Carrère (R.C Narbonne), Porra (Lyon O.U), White (Capbreton), Small
(S.L Nancy), Mathon (Oyannax), Lambert (Avignon), Barbazanges
(Roanne), Nouel (S.A Of Bordeaux), Cassagneau (Esperaza), Amila
(Lezignan), Vignals (Toulouse), Dechavanne (Roanne) and Fabre
(Lezignan). Galia' S servant boys were beaten on March 6 with Wigan
(27-30) then two days later in London, White City, by London
Highfields and still on March 14 with Leeds. March 17, in Warrington,
first international match enters the selection of League Rugby, and
new defeat (16-32). The round although short, exhausted French who
discovered a high-speed Rugby. In Hull, March 24, for their fifth
match, Galia' S servant boys obtained their first success (26-23), but
we cannot by drawing an imperishable glory from this first victory of
the pionners, because those, not being more that one dozen still
valid, naturalidèrent illico a player of Burnley which took the name
of Eugene Vignial and this Vignial of adoption was the large craftsman
of the success of the men of Galia. Lastly, the study trip finished in
Salford by a heavy defeat (13-35), March 26, 1934.

This round, for a little brilliant that it was, had a great
repercussion however. The relations being broken to XV with the
British, the introduction in France of Rugby to XIII was going to make
it possible the French public to attend new international meetings in
the field of the oval balloon.

As of April 6, the French League of Rugby to XIII deposited its
statutes with the Prefecture of Police force of Paris and, curious
thing, its president was Breton: Mr. François Cadoret, deputy and
mayor of Riec-on-Belon oyster, other members of the Management
Committee being MISTERS Vinson, Galia, Bordeneuve, Machavoine, Miller,
Delbat, Bernat and Maurice Blein. The League concluded a France match
at once - England for April 15 at the Buffalo Stage. Popular success
was enormous. Hundreds of people not purant to enter a stage
archi-roof. The FRR sent some disturbers to make uproar, but they
failed to be made lynch by the public. Many players filled with
enthusiasm by the new play whom they discovered followed the trace of
the pioneers of Jean Galia. The League, receiving adhesions per
hundreds, wanted to beat iron while it was hot, this is why it
required of England to send to him the very strong selection of the
Committee of Yorkshire. This round was to on carry out the English May
5 to Buffalo, the 6 in Villeneuve, the 10 in Bordeaux and the 13 in
Pau Pourtant it began on May 1 in Lyon. The round of Yorkshire was
triumphal and made hatch of the clubs treizists. The S.A Villeneuve
followed Jean Galia and max Rousié and passed to the League in block.
A fraction of the S.A Of Bordeaux with at its head MISTERS Loze,
Queheillard, Pelot and Rosenblat, left the FFR and melted Bordeaux
XIII. In Perpignan, it was the terrible Marcel Laborde, always ready
to break a lance, which melted the XIII Catalan. Rugby with XIII went
up out of arrow and made leave the oval balloon a championship which
sank in the mediocrity of a sterile play, private of the radiation of
the international fights. Even Paris was gained by the fever treizist.
As in a funicular, the rise treizist was accompanied by the descent
quinzist. Néo-Rugby clear, fast, semi-sparkling, attracted with
high-speed motorboats quinzists weary the poor international matches
against Allemegne or Romania. The League had just discovered an
attacker of genius, a young Basque named Jean Dauger who was going to
make, with the incomparable max Rousié, a monumental tandem. Another
attacker of great race, it Catalan Jep Desclaux, passed to thirteen
and thus the XIII of France, become the true expression of national
Rugby, beat England 12-9 at it, for the first time, February 25, 1939.
Right revenge, the victory of Tricolour over the enemy eternal of On
the other side of the channel was obtained with St Helens. While the
League triumphed, the FRR in its congress of Marseilles, June 24,
1939, noted that its manpower had melted like snows with the sun. Its
clubs were nothing any more but 471; one counted 784 in 1930 of them!
What would it be occurred of Rugby with XV on this side of the English
Channel without the second world war? It can seem paradoxical that the
war initially, the occupation then, saved the FRR. extracted from
"Rugby Champagne" of Henri Garcia.


The mode petainist of Vichy and resentments quinzists will prohibit
Rugby with XIII during the German occupation. It will have to be
awaited the release so that the French league of Rugby to XIII
reappears of these ashes. Rejoined with amateurism, saturdays February
22, 1947, Paul Barrière with his control sticks, it takes the name of
French Federation of Play with XIII. Then begin a new period of glory.
In 1951, the XIII of France of Puig-Aubert, Bush, DOP and Cantoni
magistralement guided by Bob Samatan, Jean Duhau and Antoine Blain
reach his zenith. Struck, conquered, Australia discovers what it
regards today still as the largest team of all times. The glorious one
of the round of 1951.

Paul Barrier, young person chair federation asked the Australian
Master to invite his "small c**ks", in order to devote definitively
the schism of Jean Galia, in spite of the "blow low" carried by the
cut of the war. He defies even the monster of the antipodes in these
terms: "You will not be disappointed and you will make a good deed."
The audacity of Paul Barrière ends up bearing his fruits: good
prince, the Kangaroo grants an invitation for long a four months round
for long a four months round (departure on May 14, return on September
18), with horse on Australia and New Zealand, in the summer 1951.
Double blow of glare: this tour, imitating that of the footballers of
1930 parties in Uruguay, added for the first time the company of
journalists to the bedside of a sport of French team launched over the
oceans. Except the Olympic delegations, no grouping carrying the
national flag, up to that point, had not dared expatrier thus.

One prepares there with enthusiasm, while drawing especially from the
crucible of the teams which have just dominated the season:
Carcassonne, Lyon, Catalans, Marseilles. Twenty-seven players all are
gathered, of the lords, are chaperonnés by Antoine Blain,
international in 1939, who pricks itself of writing and which directed
the round, by two trainers, Robert Samatan says Bob the science
flanked of Jean Duhau. All this small world is quickly put in the
bath, since the following day, the tricolour group is invited in the
platforms of Sydney Cricket Ground where an evocative shock of the
level of practice in the country proceeds: South Sydney counters
Queensland. Forty thousand spectators attend the challenge.

Of return to the hotel, one wonders in the tricolour rows: "That do we
come to make here, where Play with XIII reached such tops?" Only
Pipette and its legendary enthusiasm are not let impress, but our
wretched fellow low esteem not the task which is announced. And due:
it carefully observed its direct rival, the captain of South Sydney
and of the national team, famous Clive Churchill. Pipette had
announced the color at the time of the first three victorious
meetings, where it cumulated 37 points, that is to say an average of
12 points per match. Informed with semi-round which it had beaten the
record of the famous Welshman, Jim Sullivan (132 points) whose it was
unaware of the existence, it cravacha without never disavowing the
interests of the collective, since in the batch he added five tests.
At the end of the tour in Australia and New Zealand the prize list
will post 20 victories, 3 null and 4 defeats, with 662 marked against
405 boxed. France became the virtual champion of the world of Rugby to
XIII, since it had demolishes perpetual title. It will add even to the
three official tests the revenge of the good-bye concludes in
Melbourne, one Saturday of at the end of August. Largely victorious
revenge 34 to 17 on the way of the return.

The correspondent of AFP, Louis Ardilley, benefitted from it
to insert the nail in an enthusiastic cable: "Upset to be étrillés
on last 20 July with the Cricket Ground of Sydney, at the time of the
third test which was worth with French the nickname of" champion of
the world ", the Australian ones had asked for Antoine Blain the honor
of a new meeting. In spite of accumulated tiredness Duhau and Samatan
managed to set up a frightening phalange, and once again the
"terrifics french servant boys" have amazed their innumerable
admirors. This formation converted with Rugby the sportsmen of
Melbourne who had never yet seen a match of such a level. Les"coqs"
were sensational, giving the impression to choke their rivals by their
speed, their vitality, their precision in the action, giving the
impression of being able still more largely to carry it. This block
was invulnerable. The only consolation for the Kangaroos was not to
have fallen more than to Sydney, where with shingling 35-14 the men of
Pipette, filled captain, had inflicted in Australia the heaviest
defeat of all its history; the highest score boxed up to that point
being of 27 points and going back 41 years, of works of the team of
England." The return was envisaged in boat, it lasted three weeks.
With the unloading dock, September 18, 1951, the reception in
Marseilles confined with is delirious.

The Three-Quarters group: Puig-Aubert (Carcassonne) and Maurice Andre
(Marseilles) with the back; Jacky Merquey (Marseilles) with Gaston
Comes (Perpignan), Robert Stone (Bayonne) and OJ Crespo (Lyon) in the
center; Odé Lespès, Raymond Contrastin (Bordeaux), Vincent Cantoni
(Toulouse), with the wings; Charles Galaup (Albi), Maurice Bellan,
Rene Duffort (Lyon) and Jean DOP (Marseilles) in halves. Fronts: Raoul
Pérez (Toulon), Gaston Calixte, Gabriel Genoud (Villeneuve), Jean
Audoubert, Élie Bush, François Montrucolis (Lyon), Guy Delaye,
François Rinaldi, Andre Béraud (Marseilles), Michel Lopez
(Cavaillon), Paul Bartolleti (Bordeaux), Edouard Ponsinet, Louis Mazon
and Martin Martin (Carcassonne) Extracted from Immortal Pipette of
Bernard Pratviel.

Results of the victorious rounds in Australia and New Zealand 1951,
1955 and 1960
1951
The Three-Quarters group: Puig-Aubert (Carcassonne) and Maurice Andre
(Marseilles) with the back; Jacky Merquey (Marseilles) with Gaston
Comes (Perpignan), Robert Stone (Bayonne) and OJ Crespo (Lyon) in the
center; Odé Lespès, Raymond Contrastin (Bordeaux), Vincent Cantoni
(Toulouse), with the wings; Charles Galaup (Albi), Maurice Bellan,
Rene Duffort (Lyon) and Jean DOP (Marseilles) in halves. Fronts: Raoul
Pérez (Toulon), Gaston Calixte, Gabriel Genoud (Villeneuve), Jean
Audoubert, Élie Bush, François Montrucolis (Lyon), Guy Delaye,
François Rinaldi, Andre Béraud (Marseilles), Michel Lopez
(Cavaillon), Paul Bartolleti (Bordeaux), Edouard Ponsinet, Louis Mazon
and Martin Martin (Carcassonne)
AUSTRALIA
May 23 with Canberra: France beats Monaro 37-12 May 26 in
Newcastle: France beats Newcastle 12-8 May 30 with Forbes: France
beats Western Province 26-24 June 2 Sydney: France and Sydney 19-19
June 6 with Albury: Riverina beats France 20-10 June 11 in Sydney:
France beats Australia 26-15 June 13 with Armidale: France beats
Northern Province 29-12 June 15 with Brisbane: France and Queensland
22-22 June 23 with Townsville: France beats North Queensland 50-17
June 27 with Bundaberg: France beats Wide Bay 44-19 June 29 with
Brisbane: Australia beats France 23-11 4juillet: France beats Brisbane
17-16 July 7 with Toowoomba: France beats Toowoomba 20-17 July 11 with
Lismore: France beats Northern Côte 33-9 July 14 in Sydney: France
and Nelle-Wales of the South 14-14 July 15 with Wollongong: France
beats Southern Province 20-13 July 21 in Sydney: France beats
Australia 35-14 August 15 in Sydney: Nlle-Wales of the South beats
France 29-11 August 18 with Melbourne: France beats Australia 34-17
August 24 with Perth: France beats Australia Occidentale 70-23.

NOUVELLE-ZELANDE
July 25 with Greymouth: France beats West coast 5-2 July 28
with Christchurch: France beats Ile South 13-7 July 30 with
Wellington: France beats Wellington 26-13 August 4 with Auckland:
Nelle-Zealand beats France 16-15 6août with Auckland: France beats
Auckland 15-10 7août in Hamilton: France beats Auckland 25-7 August
11 with New Plymouth: France beats Taranaki 23-7 Assessment of France:
20 null victories, 3 matches, 4 defeats. 662 points for 405 points
against.

1955
Back: DOP (Marseilles), G Benausse (Carcassonne) Wingers:
Contrastin (Bordeaux), Ducasse (Bordeaux), Soaps (Avignon), Voron
(Lyon), F Cantoni (Toulouse) Centers: Merquey (Avignon), Teisseire
(Carcassonne), Rey (Lyon), Larroudé (Lyon) Half of opening: Jimenez
(Villeneuve), Delpoux (Carcassonne) Half of fray: Guilhem
(Carcassonne), Menichelli (Celtic Paris) Third line: Duplé
(Bordeaux), Levy (XIII Catalan) Second line: Montrucolis (Cavaillon),
Pambrun (Marseilles), Delaye (Marseilles), Save (Bordeaux), Jammes
(Carcassonne) Pillars: Vanel (Lyon), Berthomieu (Albi), Fabre
(Avignon), Carrere (Villeneuve) Talonneurs: Audoubert (Lyon), Moulis
(XIII Catalan)

AUSTRALIA

May 15 with Perth: France beats Australia Occidentale 31-6 May 19 with
Adelaïde: France beats Australia of the South 48-10 May 21 with
Melbourne: France beats Victoria 44-2 May 25 with Canberra: Monaro
beats France 11-3 May 28 in Sydney: Sydney beats France 25-0 June 1st
with Narrandera: Riverina beats France 29-27 June 4 in Sydney:
Nlle-Wales of the South beats France 29-24 June 11 in Sydney:
Australia beats France 20-8 June 13 with Brisbane: France beats
Brisbane 21-11 June 15 with Toowoomba: Toowoomba: Toowoomba beats
Franca 35-6 June 18 with Brisbane: France beats Queeensland 23-17 June
19 with Rockhampton: France beats Queensland Central 40-24 June 21
with Barcaldine: France beats Occidental Queensland 29-14 June 25 with
Cairns: France beats Extrême Queensland North 29-14 June 26 with
Townsville: France beats Northern Queensland 42-26 June 29 with
Casino: Northern province beats France 18-17 July 2 with Brisbane:
France beats Australia 29-28 July 3 with Gympie: France beats Wide Bay
46-17 July 9 with Ispwich: France beats Ispwich 19-10 July 9 in
Newcastle: Newcastle beats France 15-14 July 13 in Sydney: France
beats Espoirs 28-26 July 16 in Sydney: France beats Nlle-Wales of the
South 37-23 July 20 with Parkes: France beats Western Province 11-8
July 23 in Sydney: France beats Australia 8-5.

New Zealand

July 30 with Christchurch: Canterbury beats France 24-13
2août with Wellington: France beats Wellington 19-14 August 4 with
New Plymouth: France beats Taranaki 46-17 August 6 with Auckland:
France beats Nlle Zealand 19-9 August 10 with Wellington: Maoris beats
France 28-20 August 13 with Auckland: Nlle-Zealand beats France 11-6
August 15 with Auckland: Auckland beats France 17-15
France: 19 victories, 13 defeats. 768 points for 566 points
against

1960

Back: Pierre Lacaze (Toulouse), Louis Poleti (Carcassonne) Wingers:
Jacques Dubon, Jean Foussat and Raymond Gruppi (Villeneuve), Rene
Benausse (Lézignan), Jean Rods (Montpellier) and Alain Perducat
(Roanne) Centers: Gilbert Benausse (Lézignan), Claude Mantoulan
(Roanne), Jean Darricau (Lyon) Half of opening: Antoire Jimenez
(Villeneuve) and Robert Crushed (Avignon) Half of fray: Bernard Fabre
(Albi) and Joseph Guiraud (Montpellier) Third Line: Andre Lacaze
(Villeneuve), George Fages (Albi) and Andre Marty (Carcassonne) Second
line: Jean Barthe and Robert Eramouspé (Roanne), Yves Mezard
(Cavaillon), Roger Majoral (Perpignan) Pillars: Aldo Quaglio
(Roanne), Marcel Bescos (Albi), Angelo Boldini (Villeneuve) and
Francis Rossi (Marseilles) Talonneurs: Andre Casas (Perpignan) and
Andre Vadon (Albi)

AUSTRALIA

May 14 with Darwin: France beats Territoire of North 42-14 May 15 with
Perth: France beats Australia Occidentale 29-8 May 18 with Canberra:
France beats Monaro 25-17 May 21 in Newcastle: France beats Newcastle
14-10 May 22 with Kempsey: Coast of North beats France 28-23 May 25
with Wagga Wagga: France beats Riverina 25-14 May 28 in Sydney: Sydney
beats France 23-17 May 29 with Wollongong: Southern province beats
France 35-10 June 1st with Dubbo: Western province beats France 14-7
June 4 in Sydney: Nlle Wales Southern beats France 25-7 June 11 in
Sydney: France and Australia 8-8 June 13 with Brisbane: Brisbane beats
France 15-12 June 18 with Brisbane: Queensland beats France 30-18 June
19 with Maryborough: France beats Queensland Central 13-8 June 25 with
Cairns: France beats Extrême Queensland North 26-15 June 26 with
Townsville: France beats Northern Queensland 22-5 July 2 with
Brisbane: Australia beats France 56-6 July 6 with Ipswich: France
beats Ipswich 33-19 July 9 with Toowoomba: France and Toowoomba 21-21
July 10 with Armidale: France beats Northern Province 24-10 July 16 in
Sydney: France beats Australia 7-5

New Zealand.

July 20 with Huntly: France beats Waikato 32-2 July 23 with
Auckland: Nlle-Zealand beats France 9-2 July 25 with Hawera: France
beats Taranaki 30-21 July 27 with Wellington: France beats Wellington
41-3 July 30 with Christchurch: France beats Canterbury 15-8 July 31
with Greymouth: France beats Western Cote 29-5 August 3 with Rotorua:
France beats Maoris 23-12 August 6 with Auckland: Nlle-Zealand beats
France 9-3 August 8 with Auckland: Auckland beats France 14-5
France: 18 victories, 2 null, 11 defaites. 602 points for 473
against.
.......................................................................................................


Hey Tomajoke from Planet Union, I thought you said no one outside of the North of England, East of Australia, PNG and a suburb of Auckland only played RL?

Nice pic of the whole city turning out to see the French RL team huh?

 

[rugby13france-livrade+sav]

ParraEelsNRL,
If you wish to read several false information, in French sites it is not a problem with some French leaguers: a myth may not be destroyed !

If you wish to read true information: read the book (written after 10 years of investigation) of Louis Bonnery i.e. Le rugby le plus français du monde -1934 to 1996-

Have you read the following ?
http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/showthread.php?t=141552



Do you know these Official Documents of the French Republic ?
officially the French Rugby League lost the name Rugby League and same thing for the Federation in the last days of April 1949.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

Yeah that period in history is bad, nothing will ever be done about it, so France should not forget, but get on with getting the game back to the top.

I'm more or less interested in the good parts of French RL, the stuff you hardly ever hear about.

Some of the pics I've seen lately of French vs Wales in packed out stadiums and the french at Wembley, different things like that.

I don't know why the IRL has not got a site dedicated to International RL with all this stuff.:x

 

[Woods99]

wake you f**king grub, go back to your sh*tty hideout on some crap union club in terrigal. That is about the worst call i have every heard disrespectful?
why is the afl match collingwood vs bombers the same. You are a waste of a good wank and that is the truth.

Aussie Rules was played everywhere by the Diggers, any time that they had the chance to have a kick around. And the Collingwood vs Essendon Anzac Day clash has been played for many years, on the day itself.

It was the Australian Government that told the ARL not to use the term "Anzac Day Test" to describe what is a recently devised event, by a sport that has no particular military tradition.

Truth has it the ffr13 are building funds for a legal compensation the believe they will have enough funds by 2009,& mark my words someone will have to pay for this.

I am sure that a handful of bitter leaguies are desperately hoping to take some of the gloss off next year's RWC in France. The French Rugby Union staged some of the under 21 World Championship games at Vichy, which I suppose shows how much of a live issue it is.

The French public could not care two centimes for league conspiracy theories. You guys are beating a horse that died 50 years ago.

 

[winnyason]

the only thing bitter is you, tell who the f**k plays union on the central coast fat useless pisspots(who sit on the bench playing league) who go the b & s balls & f**k there sisters.
i am sure you would be the kind of gutless worm who rucks people will there down but when comfronted face to face turn to water, that is genrally what a union player or fan is.

 

[Big Bunny]

Guys, do me a favour and stop quoting woods. I put the halfwit on ignore for good reason, one the rest of you might benefit from as well.

 

[russ13]

Woods-who told you this?

...Aussie Rules was played everywhere by the Diggers, any time that they had the chance to have a kick around. And the Collingwood vs Essendon Anzac Day clash has been played for many years, on the day itself.

I can't imagine those from Queensland & NSW being enthusiastic about playing aussie rules.

Collingwood players & supporters then were mostly working class & of Irish Catholic descent. They were the main opponents to conscription during WWI. Collingwood continued to play fixtures during the war. Essingdon didn't.

http://www.rl1908.com/articles/war.htm

According to Greg Crowden's book "Mud Blood & Tears, (Tom Richards' biography)" RL was played by the forces in Egypt prior to disembarking for Gallopili in 1915. (Union was the offical rugby code of the military btw.)

http://www.rl1908.com/articles/war-league.htm

...Rugby union international Tom Richards (1908 Wallaby and 1910 British team), wrote in The Sydney Mail how both rugby codes were played on that same "sun-baked mud" field in front of the pyramids seen in Gallipoli. Richards said, "Games were fought out with the vim and earnestness of a rival inter-town match - whether the surface was soft or hard, what mattered it, as long as the prestige of the company or battalion was worthily upheld?"

Newcastle's Stan Carpenter, (who played rugby league Tests for Australia against the Maoris in 1909), recalled in a 1959 newspaper interview that he played in the first League game in Egypt "in early 1915". Carpenter captained the "Infrantry Brigade" in an 8-6 victory over the "2nd Battery".

Tom Richards, who only played in the rugby union matches, wrote that the highlight of those football contests in Giza was a rugby league match between "NSW" and "Queensland".

One of the men involved was Sgt. Edward Larkin (1st Battalion), who had been the NSWRL's Secretary. He had moved into state parliament in 1913, and joined the AIF as soon as enlistments opened in August 1914.

Tom Richards did not think particularly highly of Larkin or the professional code. Richards recorded in his diary that "he [Larkin] played football [rugby league] the other day and boomed the miserable game in the Cairo press".

 

[rugby13france-livrade+sav]

You omit a major point of the vichy sport policy:
. 1 sport or similar sports it is only 1 federation, it is only 1 club for this sport or similar sports (the american football, the aussie rules were not played in France but if they have been played they should be obliged to merge with onion)
. they were no more than 10 head managers of the French onion or of the French lawn tennis who supported the vichy general politic "Rennaissance Nationale", who hated the Front Populaire's politic; the probability they have inspired the vichy sport policy doesn’t have to be neglected , it is perhaps important and after they took the opportunity of the vichy sport policy to do they bad work.
as the French onion head managers greatly hated RL, they have the hands free.

A major point I think you don't know : numerous FRL club head managers were not stupid,
to protect their goods and assets during the period 1941 to 1944 several or many RL clubs
. merged with the rugby onion club of their town or,
. constituted a new club with the onion club of their town or
. changed their status and name to become a rugby onion club:
example: SA Villeneuve.13 (the 1st RL club which was creates in France and a former rugby onion club) became US Villeneuve.15 ; in Oct. 1944 US Villeneuve.15 came back to RL: it changed its status and name to be named US Villeneuve.13, ……...............

And moreover during the period 1934 to 1940, if numerous French RL clubs were creates by fans of this new rugby with nothing, with nothing of nothing,
. don’t omit that numerous French RL clubs were also the result of rugby onion clubs switching the code with the goods and assets of the former rugby onion clubs (examples: Villeneuve, Catalans, Brive, Carcassonne, Narbonne, Lézignan, Carpentras, Cavaillon, ……)
. don’t omit also that in the 4th quarter of 1944 or in 1945 numerous former RL clubs i.e. 1934 to 1939 having elected to become onion i.e. 1941 to 1944 (Villeneuve, Catalans, Carcassonne, Lézignan, Carpentras, ……) came back to FRL (Villeneuve, Catalans, Carcassonne, Lézignan, Carpentras, ……), when they returned to FRL they came back with their goods and assets constituted as onion club -1941 to 1944- + their RL goods and assets they succeeded in preserving during the 4 years they were an onion club.


http://www.ville-carpentras.fr/cps/telechargement/histoiredu13avant52.pdf

http://www.staps.univ-avignon.fr/S3/UE2/Histoire/HistoireL2.pdf

http://hippocampus.ileps.org/licence/IO1941.pdf

.

 

[rugby13france-livrade+sav]

the FFR.13 broadcasts the presentation of Toulouse Olympique -TO- i.e. one of the 2 finalists for the 2005-2006 France RL championship.

http://www.ffr13.com/

Kindly read with an important attention the 2nd paragraph

FINALE ELITE COMMUNICATE OF PRESS on June 22, 2006
SMALL BACKGROUNDS HISTORICAL OF OLYMPIC TOULOUSE OLYMPIQUE XIII !
Created on October 22, 1937, Toulouse Olympique XIII argument its first final of Cup of France against the XIII Catalan in 1939.

During the years of war, the TO is constrained / obliged to play XV (union), this following the prohibition of Rugby XIII on the French ground as it was a too British and professional game for the eyes of the Vichy government. After a short training (3 or 4 years²), the TO defies on April 1944 SU Agen in the semi-final of the Cup of France XV. The players of this time (Bes, Savartes, Bergougnan, Lassègue) will replay their first match with the XIII 23 septembre 1944 in Albi.

²: don't omit this: on 15th Oct. 1940 the federation recommands to its clubs to play onion
.

 

[taipan]

the FFR.13 broadcasts the presentation of Toulouse Olympique -TO- i.e. one of the 2 finalists for the 2005-2006 France RL championship.

http://www.ffr13.com/

Kindly read with an important attention the 2nd paragraph

FINALE ELITE COMMUNICATE OF PRESS on June 22, 2006
SMALL BACKGROUNDS HISTORICAL OF OLYMPIC TOULOUSE OLYMPIQUE XIII !
Created on October 22, 1937, Toulouse Olympique XIII argument its first final of Cup of France against the XIII Catalan in 1939.

During the years of war, the TO is constrained / obliged to play XV (union), this following the prohibition of Rugby XIII on the French ground as it was a too British and professional game for the eyes of the Vichy government. After a short training (3 or 4 years²), the TO defies on April 1944 SU Agen in the semi-final of the Cup of France XV. The players of this time (Bes, Savartes, Bergougnan, Lassègue) will replay their first match with the XIII 23 septembre 1944 in Albi.

²: don't omit this: on 15th Oct. 1940 the federation recommands to its clubs to play onion
.

Proving that the Vichy Govt,had the power of life and death over rugby league,and the union clubs were accommodating in assisting.Constrained and obliged(a nice way of saying no alternative).
I am sure if rugby league was banned in Australia,the clubs would more than likely switch to union-just an opinion.

 

[taipan]

You omit a major point of the vichy sport policy:
. 1 sport or similar sports it is only 1 federation, it is only 1 club for this sport or similar sports (the american football, the aussie rules were not played in France but if they have been played they should be obliged to merge with onion)
. they were no more than 10 head managers of the French onion or of the French lawn tennis who supported the vichy general politic "Rennaissance Nationale", who hated the Front Populaire's politic; the probability they have inspired the vichy sport policy doesn’t have to be neglected , it is perhaps important and after they took the opportunity of the vichy sport policy to do they bad work.
as the French onion head managers greatly hated RL, they have the hands free.

A major point I think you don't know : numerous FRL club head managers were not stupid,
to protect their goods and assets during the period 1941 to 1944 several or many RL clubs
. merged with the rugby onion club of their town or,
. constituted a new club with the onion club of their town or
. changed their status and name to become a rugby onion club:
example: SA Villeneuve.13 (the 1st RL club which was creates in France and a former rugby onion club) became US Villeneuve.15 ; in Oct. 1944 US Villeneuve.15 came back to RL: it changed its status and name to be named US Villeneuve.13, ……...............

And moreover during the period 1934 to 1940, if numerous French RL clubs were creates by fans of this new rugby with nothing, with nothing of nothing,
. don’t omit that numerous French RL clubs were also the result of rugby onion clubs switching the code with the goods and assets of the former rugby onion clubs (examples: Villeneuve, Catalans, Brive, Carcassonne, Narbonne, Lézignan, Carpentras, Cavaillon, ……)
. don’t omit also that in the 4th quarter of 1944 or in 1945 numerous former RL clubs i.e. 1934 to 1939 having elected to become onion i.e. 1941 to 1944 (Villeneuve, Catalans, Carcassonne, Lézignan, Carpentras, ……) came back to FRL (Villeneuve, Catalans, Carcassonne, Lézignan, Carpentras, ……), when they returned to FRL they came back with their goods and assets constituted as onion club -1941 to 1944- + their RL goods and assets they succeeded in preserving during the 4 years they were an onion club.


http://www.ville-carpentras.fr/cps/telechargement/histoiredu13avant52.pdf

http://www.staps.univ-avignon.fr/S3/UE2/Histoire/HistoireL2.pdf

http://hippocampus.ileps.org/licence/IO1941.pdf

.

Of course there were assets originally union owned,however there were assets and whereabouts unknown of a bank balance in the name of the FRL,all transferred to the national Sports committee and not handed back.A short time after the decree,the office of the rugby league was burnt out and its records destroyed-conveniently.

A quote from Cliff Spracklen( a founder member of X111 Actif) The spirit of the treizestes was not destroyed despite threats,bullying and treizestes being instructed to play union.Unscrupulous union club Chairmen tried to take advantage to strengthen their clubs through defacto forced mergers unquote.
The Buffett enquiry asserted bad things were done to rugby league.

Simply if there had been no occupation of France and a vichy govt installed thus banning league,French rugby league would be in a much more competitive and better financial situation ,and have a much larger grassroots base ,than it currently has.

Again I ask,why did it take until 1989(44 years after the war) for the French govt to finally allow league to be called rugby league.It was only because the Ministry of Youth and Sports finally stood up to the pressure from the rugby union,and the result was the game could finally be called its rightfull name: Federation de Rugby a Treize.

 

[taipan]

You omit a major point of the vichy sport policy:
. 1 sport or similar sports it is only 1 federation, it is only 1 club for this sport or similar sports (the american football, the aussie rules were not played in France but if they have been played they should be obliged to merge with onion)
. they were no more than 10 head managers of the French onion or of the French lawn tennis who supported the vichy general politic "Rennaissance Nationale", who hated the Front Populaire's politic; the probability they have inspired the vichy sport policy doesn’t have to be neglected , it is perhaps important and after they took the opportunity of the vichy sport policy to do they bad work.
as the French onion head managers greatly hated RL, they have the hands free.

A major point I think you don't know : numerous FRL club head managers were not stupid,
to protect their goods and assets during the period 1941 to 1944 several or many RL clubs
. merged with the rugby onion club of their town or,
. constituted a new club with the onion club of their town or
. changed their status and name to become a rugby onion club:
example: SA Villeneuve.13 (the 1st RL club which was creates in France and a former rugby onion club) became US Villeneuve.15 ; in Oct. 1944 US Villeneuve.15 came back to RL: it changed its status and name to be named US Villeneuve.13, ……...............

And moreover during the period 1934 to 1940, if numerous French RL clubs were creates by fans of this new rugby with nothing, with nothing of nothing,
. don’t omit that numerous French RL clubs were also the result of rugby onion clubs switching the code with the goods and assets of the former rugby onion clubs (examples: Villeneuve, Catalans, Brive, Carcassonne, Narbonne, Lézignan, Carpentras, Cavaillon, ……)
. don’t omit also that in the 4th quarter of 1944 or in 1945 numerous former RL clubs i.e. 1934 to 1939 having elected to become onion i.e. 1941 to 1944 (Villeneuve, Catalans, Carcassonne, Lézignan, Carpentras, ……) came back to FRL (Villeneuve, Catalans, Carcassonne, Lézignan, Carpentras, ……), when they returned to FRL they came back with their goods and assets constituted as onion club -1941 to 1944- + their RL goods and assets they succeeded in preserving during the 4 years they were an onion club.


http://www.ville-carpentras.fr/cps/telechargement/histoiredu13avant52.pdf

http://www.staps.univ-avignon.fr/S3/UE2/Histoire/HistoireL2.pdf

http://hippocampus.ileps.org/licence/IO1941.pdf

.

Of course there were assets originally union owned,however there were assets and whereabouts unknown of a bank balance in the name of the FRL,all transferred to the national Sports committee and not handed back.A short time after the decree,the office of the rugby league was burnt out and its records destroyed-conveniently.

A quote from Cliff Spracklen( a founder member of X111 Actif) The spirit of the treizestes was not destroyed despite threats,bullying and treizestes being instructed to play union.Unscrupulous union club Chairmen tried to take advantage to strengthen their clubs through defacto forced mergers unquote.
The Buffett enquiry asserted bad things were done to rugby league.

Simply if there had been no occupation of France and a vichy govt installed thus banning league,French rugby league would be in a much more competitive and better financial situation ,and have a much larger grassroots base ,than it currently has.

Again I ask,why did it take until 1989(44 years after the war) for the French govt to finally allow league to be called rugby league.It was only because the Ministry of Youth and Sports finally stood up to the pressure from the rugby union,and the result was the game could finally be called its rightfull name: Federation de Rugby a Treize.

 

[rugby13france-livrade+sav]

I understand very well:
. the leaders of the FRL, of its clubs, its players, its fans were stupid men, were very stupid men, quite normal as they are frogs.

. if Australia had been occupied by Japan, had been governed by a fascist government and, RL had been forbidden in Australia, consequently the Australian's RL leaders, its players, its fans would have taken weapons, would have prefer to be killed for their RL, would have taken weapons to forbid the ban of their RL, to forbid the transfer of the RL’s possessions to the national Australian sports committee; rather the death than rather to see their speechless RL, their RL forbidden.



Several ten’s of years after the events, without the comments and the writings of the FRL’s managers of this time, it is very easy to say, to write that FRL’s managers have fallen short of their’s duty.


I am sure that some very old former FRL’s managers know a part of the truth but even if they refuse to go the Hight Court, why they refuse to broadcast the things they know ?

why to do simple when you can do complicated ?, why to make simple when you can make complicated ?

Unfortunately the FRL's former managers of the period 1940-1945 also died; perhaps their families hold some important documents but they refuse to divulge them.

 

[rugby13france-livrade+sav]

The most interesting it is the rumour, the rumours, it is false information becoming the truth and of which the broadcasting is made by the named: "radio carpet or radio rumours".



The various governments of France:

. The provisoire (interim) government : C. De Gaulle with all political parties (7 or 8) = June 1944 to Jan. 1947,

. Presidents V. Auriol, R. Coty = Jan. 1947 to Jun. 1958 = the non communist left with the center or the center and, sometimes the left center + center with some gaullists,

. Presidents C. De Gaulle, G. Pompidou, V. Giscard d’Estaing = June 1958 to May 1981 = the gaullists or the right + the gaullists,

. President F. Mitterrand = May 1981 to May 1995 = the socialists or the right or the socialists,
note: president Mitterrand (a socialist) never went to an RL championship final but he is the 1st president who went to an RU championship final (june 1981) and after he made this every year.

. President J. Chirac = May 1995 to May 2007 = the right or the socialists or the right.
note: every year president Chirac makes as president Mitterrand made during 14 years.



The French politicians left or right are not interested by RL, RL it is no more than 30,000 people, no more than 20,000 voters.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

RL it is no more than 30,000 people, no more than 20,000 voters.

I don't know how you can say this, you don't know everybody in France.

If it was big once, it can be big again.

That's what Catalan Dragons are for, to get the game back in the big time.

Give them time, hopefully in about 5 years they'll come good like the NZ warriors did, you don't want them winning everything straight away, let it build up from slow to a fast pace over time.

The media will come good, if they perform and stay in the SL, it will eventually happen, it will be the same as it was in NZ during 2002.