"It’s very realistic to say that we’ll have a second team in Brisbane in 2023": V'landys

[Jim Rockford]

He’s on ignore so I have no idea what spiteful, ignorant, abusive nonsense he is posting lol. Like many before him he will eventually disappear as he has nothing to contribute.

Keeping hiding behind the Ignore Function you pathetic little coward. I'm going nowhere.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

North Queensland Crocodiles or North Queensland Cattle Dogs.

 

[Jim Rockford]

North Queensland Crocodiles or North Queensland Cattle Dogs.

Couple of good choices there. I think Crocs would make an awesome logo.

 

[Perth Red]

North Queensland Crocodiles or North Queensland Cattle Dogs.

It’s a real shame they didn’t go with crocs, was someone else using it at the time? I guess they wanted to go with the glamour of Dallas lol

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

It’s a real shame they didn’t go with crocs, was someone else using it at the time? I guess they wanted to go with the glamour of Dallas lol

A local RU team threatened to sue if they used the name Crocodiles. The Townsville Suns NBL team ended up becoming the Crocodiles.

 

[MugaB]

What would happen if Cronulla and St George relocated to Adelaide/Perth and a new team was created to represent Southern Sydney when Brisbane 2 enters the league?

Southern Sydney has less than 500k people but has two teams. Craziness. A new team that has no ties to the Sharks and Dragons and neither of those clubs competing with them for supporters would theoretically have a larger catchment to establish a fanbase.

Southern Sydney has less than 500k, fkn dream on, where did you pluck those figures from? You're delusional if you think just coz dragons and sharks are bordering neighbours that they share the same catchments, its like saying parra and panthers are in the same area, or bronx and titans, your obsession with moving those teams is blinding you, infact probably best to leave the posting to the grown ups, youre obviously not very knowledgeable when it comes to the NRL and its history, stick to advocating for brisbane 4...

 

[MugaB]

That's the thing though. I'm not so selfish that I would be happy to relocate the Sharks and Dragons just so Souths can benefit. You only think about what's good for you and you couldn't give a shit about anyone else. That's a very pathetic way to go through life. Maybe one day you'll have an epiphany and realise this. Finally, I think there should be a rule that club identities should be uniquely Australian not taken from US teams and which have no relevance to anything Australian. If they love the US more than Australia then they can move there and leave Australia to those who are proud Aussies.

Agreed with the pathetic selfishness,
Side note tho what mascots aren't aussie?
Broncos, Steelers, Raiders, Titans/Chargers/Giants.... but we have Cowboys in Australia, there's Warriors all around the globe, Storm is pretty unique, and prior to 1968 the original clubs had their identities before the Americans made them popular, i gotta say i liked Rams, and Reds tho

 

[MugaB]

If I'm looking at current or potential bids for the next 4 clubs to enter the NRL.
17. Sunshine State Dolphins (Red/Gold/White)= Suncorp
18. West Brisbane Jets (Green/Silver/Gold)= Suncorp
19. PNG Pride (Yellow/Black/Orange)= Cairns/Port Moresby
20. South Pacific Halos (White/Gold/Brown)= Christchurch/Bay of Plenty
Nothing against Perth or Adelaide, but we shouldn't go there, just coz they are large cities, we should go where the game is played more regularly, creating another Melbourne Storm and just planting a side there, isn't going to further expansion, it'll just become a 30 year money pit, unless twiggy converts the force or relocations happen by current or relegated clubs (bears)

 

[Jim Rockford]

Agreed with the pathetic selfishness,
Side note tho what mascots aren't aussie?
Broncos, Steelers, Raiders, Titans/Chargers/Giants.... but we have Cowboys in Australia, there's Warriors all around the globe, Storm is pretty unique, and prior to 1968 the original clubs had their identities before the Americans made them popular, i gotta say i liked Rams, and Reds tho

We don't actually have cowboys in Australia. We have stockmen and if North Qld wanted to honour Aussie heritage they could have gone with that name. Rams and Reds are very Aussie with our long history of raising sheep and the red representing the deserts. You are right with Warriors, that can pretty much apply to anywhere with indigenous peoples who have a warrior culture and Storm does represent the Melbourne weather. My main gripe is with the 2 Qld teams - Cowboys (who as I said could have been Stockmen) and Broncos ( who would be called Brumbies if they wanted to fully represent Australia). You can add the third Qld team to that list as Titans have zero relevance to Australia.

 

[blaza88z]

If I'm looking at current or potential bids for the next 4 clubs to enter the NRL.
17. Sunshine State Dolphins (Red/Gold/White)= Suncorp
18. West Brisbane Jets (Green/Silver/Gold)= Suncorp
19. PNG Pride (Yellow/Black/Orange)= Cairns/Port Moresby
20. South Pacific Halos (White/Gold/Brown)= Christchurch/Bay of Plenty
Nothing against Perth or Adelaide, but we shouldn't go there, just coz they are large cities, we should go where the game is played more regularly, creating another Melbourne Storm and just planting a side there, isn't going to further expansion, it'll just become a 30 year money pit, unless twiggy converts the force or relocations happen by current or relegated clubs (bears)

Do you mean Sunshine Coast Dolphins?

Sunshine State is the verbiage used to describe QLD as a whole

 

[Perth Red]

If I'm looking at current or potential bids for the next 4 clubs to enter the NRL.
17. Sunshine State Dolphins (Red/Gold/White)= Suncorp
18. West Brisbane Jets (Green/Silver/Gold)= Suncorp
19. PNG Pride (Yellow/Black/Orange)= Cairns/Port Moresby
20. South Pacific Halos (White/Gold/Brown)= Christchurch/Bay of Plenty
Nothing against Perth or Adelaide, but we shouldn't go there, just coz they are large cities, we should go where the game is played more regularly, creating another Melbourne Storm and just planting a side there, isn't going to further expansion, it'll just become a 30 year money pit, unless twiggy converts the force or relocations happen by current or relegated clubs (bears)

You do know the Storm are the secind most valuable team to the nrl after broncos don’t you? The $30 odd million the nrl invest3d has paid dividends many times over.

brisbane2
perth
nz2
brisbane 3 (if 2 is a success) should be the nrls 20 year growth strategy

adelaide for a Sydney club relocation.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Southern Sydney has less than 500k, fkn dream on, where did you pluck those figures from? You're delusional if you think just coz dragons and sharks are bordering neighbours that they share the same catchments, its like saying parra and panthers are in the same area, or bronx and titans, your obsession with moving those teams is blinding you, infact probably best to leave the posting to the grown ups, youre obviously not very knowledgeable when it comes to the NRL and its history, stick to advocating for brisbane 4...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern Sydney

So what's the population of Georges River Council, Bayside Council and Sutherland Shire?

Georges River Council
146,841 (2016 census)

Georges River Council - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Bayside Council
156,058 (2016 census)

Bayside Council - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Sutherland Shire
218,464 (2016 census)

Sutherland Shire - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Total
521,363

So just over 500k. Not that long ago it was under 500k.

What's this crap about "catchments" that you're always banging on about to justify Sydney having nine teams that it cannot support?

Even Shane Richardson said that the "catchment" system you bang on about is outdated and hasn't worked in a hundred years. I'd say he's a grown up and knows more about the NRL than you, as he's worked in it for years. You're just pissed off because you know there's no logical reason for Sydney to have nine teams, so you resort to childish personal attacks whenever people bring up damn good reasons for rationalising the number down to something more sustainable. Maybe you should grow up and work on your anger issues before posting on the internet, as your debating skills aren't very good.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

If I'm looking at current or potential bids for the next 4 clubs to enter the NRL.
17. Sunshine State Dolphins (Red/Gold/White)= Suncorp
18. West Brisbane Jets (Green/Silver/Gold)= Suncorp
19. PNG Pride (Yellow/Black/Orange)= Cairns/Port Moresby
20. South Pacific Halos (White/Gold/Brown)= Christchurch/Bay of Plenty
Nothing against Perth or Adelaide, but we shouldn't go there, just coz they are large cities, we should go where the game is played more regularly, creating another Melbourne Storm and just planting a side there, isn't going to further expansion, it'll just become a 30 year money pit, unless twiggy converts the force or relocations happen by current or relegated clubs (bears)

Melbourne Storm are more valuable than Penrith Panthers to our broadcasters.

Most of our game's revenue is provided by our broadcasters.

Do the maths.

It's rich for you to hang shit on Melbourne for requiring a $100m investment over 20 years when around $4m is provided to each Sydney club, annually, on top of the $9m they get to cover the salary cap.

$4m x 9 teams = $32m per year

So the Sydney clubs are taking up $96m every three years, which is almost as much as what News Ltd/ARLC spent on the Storm over two decades.

That $100m investment has added around 400k extra viewers from Melbourne to the NRL GF ratings, has it not?

That's huge.

If you're worried about money being spent propping up teams that cannot support themselves, start with the nine in your backyard.

We don't know if the NRL will expand beyond 18 teams. The likelihood is they won't, which means rationalisation has to be considered to get a national footprint that brings new viewers to our game.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

You do know the Storm are the secind most valuable team to the nrl after broncos don’t you? The $30 odd million the nrl invest3d has paid dividends many times over.

brisbane2
perth
nz2
brisbane 3 (if 2 is a success) should be the nrls 20 year growth strategy

adelaide for a Sydney club relocation.

That is a good footprint. I can see it generating an extra 200k casual fans, and that's a conservative estimate, who will watch the GF and other big events. That equals more money from advertising revenue and broadcast deals. It will also provide a pathway to the NRL for kids all over the country, which will draw new participants to our game. We have a chance of halting AwFuL's growth over our game with that footprint.

 

[siv]

Today the team most vulnerable in Sydney is the Dogs

 

[Jim Rockford]

Melbourne Storm are more valuable than Penrith Panthers to our broadcasters.

But far less valuable in terms of providing the next generation of players. You can have your little dream competition but if clubs like Penrith aren't churning out the juniors there will be no players to fill the rosters of all these new teams you get hard dreaming about having.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

There's no reason why Sydney's NRL clubs have to field junior and senior clubs in Sydney's lower divisions. North Sydney Bears and Newton Jets can field as many junior and senior clubs they like within the second, third and junior tiers, providing future players for the NRL.

Brisbane's BRL and lower division clubs have managed to do it just fine for 30 years. There were doing it for the NSWRL long before 1988!

Let the smaller NRL clubs in Sydney drop back to the NSWRL so they can focus on developing talent for teams that have a hope of competing in the world's largest "rugby" competition.

 

[Jim Rockford]

So anyone in Sydney that wants to play League has to move to the North Sydney or Newtown area? Makes about as much sense as all the other nonsense you post.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Today the team most vulnerable in Sydney is the Dogs

I agree. They're surrounded by Tigers on either side. Drop them to NSWRL Cup as a feeder team for Wests Tigers and give their licence to a Canterbury Bulls team based in Christchurch.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

So anyone in Sydney that wants to play League has to move to the North Sydney or Newtown area? Makes about as much sense as all the other nonsense you post.

Nope. You create 5 new teams to represent Sydney, just like the NSWRL did when they entered the Knights, Steelers, Raiders and Broncos. The 9 suburban clubs currently representing Sydney can go play against the Bears and Jets in the NSWRL Premiership.

South Sydney, Sydney and Parramatta and Western Sydney could theoretically stay and become mega clubs as they have fans and add value to the broadcast rights. Remove the weak so the strong can grow into clubs that draw 25k or 40k to their games.

It's stupid how you and @MugaB want Sydney's clubs to play by a different set of rules to everyone else.