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"It’s very realistic to say that we’ll have a second team in Brisbane in 2023": V'landys

Pippen94

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Why shouldn't the Bears (with a combined area of 1 million+ and some of the biggest corporate sponsorship on it's doorstep) get in ahead of NZ getting a second team?

Yep, north Sydney is the most lucrative market in the region that ntl hasn't got a stake in, yet ppl talk about Adelaide & sunshine coast before that. No idea
 

Jim Rockford

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Thanks for posting the article hartwood.

nsw isn’t getting another club, not even under one eyed Vlandys lol.
Why is it that it's the people who post stuff that isn't remotely funny feel the need to put lol in their posts? If it's genuinely humorous, people will laugh. If you have to indicate that you're trying to be funny then what you've posted is invariably lame. It's no surprise that Perth Red often inserts lols in his posts.
 

siv

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Central Coast will officially leave Greater Sydney tonight

With border level permits to cross the Hawkesbury about to come into force
 

Perth Red

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Yep, north Sydney is the most lucrative market in the region that ntl hasn't got a stake in, yet ppl talk about Adelaide & sunshine coast before that. No idea
If you live in the northern suburbs of Sydney you have SIX NRL clubs within 30kms you could choose to follow!
 

Pippen94

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If you live in the northern suburbs of Sydney you have SIX NRL clubs within 30kms you could choose to follow!

That's like saying Perth ppl have 16 teams to choose from to support. If you think any existing team represents that area you have no idea.
I'd like to see metrics of north Sydney compared to Perth because I reckon the former adds more value to NRL.
 

Pippen94

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Why is it that it's the people who post stuff that isn't remotely funny feel the need to put lol in their posts? If it's genuinely humorous, people will laugh. If you have to indicate that you're trying to be funny then what you've posted is invariably lame. It's no surprise that Perth Red often inserts lols in his posts.

In fairness I laugh at a lot of his posts
 
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LOL yeah lets add more teams to Sydney.... brilliant idea

Surely they can squeeze Glebe back in again while they're at it...

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The Central Coast is no more part of Sydney than the Sunshine Coast is part of Brisbane. The Central Coast not only has a fantastic stadium ready to go, but it is also the largest junior league area in NSW without NRL representation. No chance of the Roosters relocating there. With the Bears you get a foundation club back, relocated to an area with plenty of future growth.
That's the exact reason why the Sea Eagles should adopt the Central Coast with the long-term plan to permanently relocate there.
 

Reflector

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I never understand people who think that we need to cut/ merge existing teams to grow the game. Didn't we learn our lesson in the late 90's that this does nothing but create disillusionment with the NRL?

I'm the opposite- I don't think 16 or even 18 teams is the limit we could handle for a domestic comp. I could foresee a comp with more teams in NSW/ Qld/ NZ PLUS teams in W.A and perhaps even PNG if we can assure adequate security. It's all a question of WHEN we admit these teams.

I disagree there are too many Sydney clubs- as long as the existing clubs are solvent and have a clear identity/ future than there is no limit. At the same time (as I posted on the Wests Tigers boards yesterday) I don't see a future for the Wests Tigers in Sydney as is. A failed merger with no identity, playing out of 3 home grounds and year after year of mediocrity. Best to disband the merger. Wests can go back to Campbelltown full-time and rebrand as the Western Sydney Magpies. S-W Sydney is a big future growth area, let them focus on that solely in terms of development and it will be a huge asset for RL in years to come.

Balmain (or what's left of them) can go north, pair up with the Easts bid and have the Brisbane Tigers. Play all but 2 or 3 home games a season at Suncorp with the others at Leichardt. Brisbane gets another team, Balmain has a better future than the half-baked abortion they currently exist as and better scope to attract new fans. Win-win.

Perth gets a team again (Pirates?) which is great for TV time slots and gives W.A RL players a direct NRL path once more.

Redcliffe brings a QRL team with as much history as the Eels/ Manly into the big-time. Another team for SEQ, further strengthening league in Qld.

CC Bears combine the history of Norths with the big growth area of the Central Coast (itself the biggest league region in NSW without direct NRL representation). Similar to the Brisbane Tigers, Norths have a future and a combined area of 1 million+ (and growing) has a place in the NRL.

Once these bids are in, we can look at NZ2, Adelaide or PNG.
 

MugaB

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The incursion of the AFL is helping drive NRL expansion

ARL Commission chair Peter V’landys is ready to make a final call on expansion Picture: Jonathan Ng

BRENT READ

7 MINUTES AGO

The AFL’s big-money incursion into southeast Queensland will be at the forefront of the ARL Commission’s expansion committee on Monday morning as they hear final pitches from the three bid teams vying to become the NRL’s 17th side.

Three years after former chair Peter Beattie notably warned the code needed to expand or die, he will be among the officials from head office sitting in on meetings with the Redcliffe Dolphins, Brisbane Jets and Brisbane Firehawks as they make one final and potentially decisive claim for the prospective 17th licence.

The Dolphins will begin the final round of meetings with their nose in front, thanks in part to the NRL’s own analysis which suggested they were the most premiership-ready of the three bidders.

The Australian understands that the NRL conducted a deep dive after receiving documentation from the three bidders and the Dolphins emerged with the edge over the rivals due to a combination of their financial clout, facilities and pathways.

Their home ground is already up to NRL standard, having hosted games in recent weeks when the competition has been played in southeast Queensland. Crucially, analysis also suggested the northern corridor was just as important to the code as the west, which is at the heart of the Brisbane Jets’ plans.

Both regions are under threat from the AFL and ARL Commission chair Peter V’landys made it very clear that protecting rugby league’s patch would play a key role in their thinking.

V’landys conceded it was the sort of decision that could define his legacy at the helm of the code. He has won widespread plaudits for his handling of the game through the Covid crisis but expansion has ramifications for rugby league’s long-term future given the AFL’s lavish spending in southeast Queensland and the need for a new team to stand on their own financial feet.

“AFL, to their credit, did a good job last year when they were up there – they went into the Department of Education, they have done everything,” V’landys said.

“They have a great strategy. I take my hat off to them. We’re not going to sit back and let Queensland wither on the vine.

“We have a responsibility to ensure that Queensland remains one of the main heartlands of rugby league in the world.”

While much has been made about the threat to rugby league in the western corridor, the north is under siege as well not only from AFL but from soccer.

According to documents seen by the NRL and The Australian, nearly $60 million has been invested on AFL and soccer facilities in the Moreton Bay region over the past five years. The Dolphins’ have a huge area to service and strength in junior numbers.

The Jets also have a big development pool but question marks around their finances while the Firehawks have struck up relationships with central Queensland and Booval Swifts – one of the biggest clubs in Ipswich – as they look to demonstrate to the ARL Commission that they are intent on growing the game.

While the ARL Commission is cognisant of the threat from the AFL, they are also wary of eating into their three existing clubs in southeast Queensland as well as the Melbourne Storm, who rely on Queensland for much of their talent.

V’landys has promised to consult the clubs before arriving at a final decision but acknowledged the clock was ticking as they looked to make a call before the grand final. The clubs will take some convincing.

They are wary of their own financial sturdiness given they are projected to lose as much as $22 million this season due to the competition being relocated.

“It is not the last step, the last step will be to convince the clubs,” V’landys said.

“I don’t want to put any timelines on it just in case something happens with Covid and we have to divert our attention.

“So we’re meeting tomorrow, they will get as long as they need and the three main factors are the business case – how they won’t be a burden and won’t need to be subsidised.

“Secondly, pathways – how are they going to improve participation, and thirdly, how are they going to increase the rugby league fan base without migrating away from existing (sides).

“We want new customers, not old customers. They are the three biggest factors. We’ll do it as quickly as we can but you have to remember this has been around now over 10 years.

“We are attacking it. Once we have attacked it, that is it. If it doesn’t come up, it won’t be revisited for several years. It will be done in the next two months.

“Hopefully within a month but it just depends on whether we need further information.”
 
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I might be mistaken here, but wasn't that just an outcome of NSWRL (read Sydney) just having more money than the BRL/QRL? Pokies, basically.

Even IF Queensland had the desire to expand into new markets, they probably wouldn't have had the resources to do it.. certainly not compared to the guys south of the border.
True.
Gold coast giants were based in tweed heads nsw
True.
Brl was planning for future which included creation of state league. Clubs like redcliffe were talking about joining nrl in 1986. Lack of pokie money & Sydney centric nature of Australia did them in
True.
 

MugaB

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I'm suggesting we go a step further and admit 4 new teams:

Firehawks (Brisbane)
Dolphins (Northside Brisbane/ Peninsula)
Pirates (W.A)
Bears (North shore/ Central Coast)

The issue with overall quality in the NRL atm has more to do with coaching than playing talent available.
Yes this, although I'd be looking at a different 4 teams, taking more into account on who's ready to be competitive right away, not cities where we haven't pinned on a map
To me Perth and Adelaide are worthy of note, but they need to be formed from scratch, same as A 2nd NZ side,
I'd be looking at Dolphins, Jets, Pride and Bears.

*Sunshine State Dolphins
*West Brisbane Jets
*P.N.G. Pride (Cairns/P.N.G bid)
*Northern Sydney Bears (CC)

I feel like the firehawks bid screams BS for most of their goals, i saw the presser junkit they held, it was a bit of a letdown, more of a we are hear to tell you that we are ready, and our plans are to target people via mobile apps, you know like the lakers do...
but really they were not ready to take questions by the press. They got a bit flustered when they were asked.

Im for expansion if the clubs who bid are invested in their community and create a club from the ground up. Seems that bidders just want the license before doing anything of note
 

mongoose

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The incursion of the AFL is helping drive NRL expansion

ARL Commission chair Peter V’landys is ready to make a final call on expansion Picture: Jonathan Ng

BRENT READ

7 MINUTES AGO

The AFL’s big-money incursion into southeast Queensland will be at the forefront of the ARL Commission’s expansion committee on Monday morning as they hear final pitches from the three bid teams vying to become the NRL’s 17th side.

Three years after former chair Peter Beattie notably warned the code needed to expand or die, he will be among the officials from head office sitting in on meetings with the Redcliffe Dolphins, Brisbane Jets and Brisbane Firehawks as they make one final and potentially decisive claim for the prospective 17th licence.

The Dolphins will begin the final round of meetings with their nose in front, thanks in part to the NRL’s own analysis which suggested they were the most premiership-ready of the three bidders.

The Australian understands that the NRL conducted a deep dive after receiving documentation from the three bidders and the Dolphins emerged with the edge over the rivals due to a combination of their financial clout, facilities and pathways.

Their home ground is already up to NRL standard, having hosted games in recent weeks when the competition has been played in southeast Queensland. Crucially, analysis also suggested the northern corridor was just as important to the code as the west, which is at the heart of the Brisbane Jets’ plans.

Both regions are under threat from the AFL and ARL Commission chair Peter V’landys made it very clear that protecting rugby league’s patch would play a key role in their thinking.

V’landys conceded it was the sort of decision that could define his legacy at the helm of the code. He has won widespread plaudits for his handling of the game through the Covid crisis but expansion has ramifications for rugby league’s long-term future given the AFL’s lavish spending in southeast Queensland and the need for a new team to stand on their own financial feet.

“AFL, to their credit, did a good job last year when they were up there – they went into the Department of Education, they have done everything,” V’landys said.

“They have a great strategy. I take my hat off to them. We’re not going to sit back and let Queensland wither on the vine.

“We have a responsibility to ensure that Queensland remains one of the main heartlands of rugby league in the world.”

While much has been made about the threat to rugby league in the western corridor, the north is under siege as well not only from AFL but from soccer.

According to documents seen by the NRL and The Australian, nearly $60 million has been invested on AFL and soccer facilities in the Moreton Bay region over the past five years. The Dolphins’ have a huge area to service and strength in junior numbers.

The Jets also have a big development pool but question marks around their finances while the Firehawks have struck up relationships with central Queensland and Booval Swifts – one of the biggest clubs in Ipswich – as they look to demonstrate to the ARL Commission that they are intent on growing the game.

While the ARL Commission is cognisant of the threat from the AFL, they are also wary of eating into their three existing clubs in southeast Queensland as well as the Melbourne Storm, who rely on Queensland for much of their talent.

V’landys has promised to consult the clubs before arriving at a final decision but acknowledged the clock was ticking as they looked to make a call before the grand final. The clubs will take some convincing.

They are wary of their own financial sturdiness given they are projected to lose as much as $22 million this season due to the competition being relocated.

“It is not the last step, the last step will be to convince the clubs,” V’landys said.

“I don’t want to put any timelines on it just in case something happens with Covid and we have to divert our attention.

“So we’re meeting tomorrow, they will get as long as they need and the three main factors are the business case – how they won’t be a burden and won’t need to be subsidised.

“Secondly, pathways – how are they going to improve participation, and thirdly, how are they going to increase the rugby league fan base without migrating away from existing (sides).

“We want new customers, not old customers. They are the three biggest factors. We’ll do it as quickly as we can but you have to remember this has been around now over 10 years.

“We are attacking it. Once we have attacked it, that is it. If it doesn’t come up, it won’t be revisited for several years. It will be done in the next two months.

“Hopefully within a month but it just depends on whether we need further information.”
The AFL would be laughing on the floor at the idea of an expansion team playing out of a 12k stadium IN f**kING QLD!!
 

MugaB

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The AFL would be laughing on the floor at the idea of an expansion team playing out of a 12k stadium IN f**kING QLD!!
Whos playing in a 12k stadium?
If you're thinking the dolphins, they'll be at Suncorp for at least 10 home games, then sunshine coast for 1 or 2
 

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