"It’s very realistic to say that we’ll have a second team in Brisbane in 2023": V'landys

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

It will be them because they pose the least threat of "cannibalizing" the Broncos and Titans. Not sure what data they have that shows this though, plenty of Broncos fans around Redcliffe and Moreton Bay area. The Titans seem to believe they have fans on the south side of Brisbane... once again, not sure what data they are going by for this.

Titans have fans in the southern suburbs of Logan that were part of Gold Coast before Peter Beattie amalgamated councils in 2007.

 

[Perth Red]

It will be them because they pose the least threat of "cannibalizing" the Broncos and Titans. Not sure what data they have that shows this though, plenty of Broncos fans around Redcliffe and Moreton Bay area. The Titans seem to believe they have fans on the south side of Brisbane... once again, not sure what data they are going by for this.

Its not what the report commissioned by the clubs shows so not sure it holds much water. For NRL it will be the club with the least financial risk that will get it. That may not be the club with the best potential or strategically best placed for the game into the future.

Timing is interesting as they have mentioned making a decision before Nov1 for player signing purposes but the FTA TV deal isnt due to be concluded until December so not sure how the NRL knows it is going to cover the costs of expanding?

 

[titoelcolombiano]

I suspect that Sydneysiders view the NSWRL as their version of the British Empire. The Brits invaded smaller civilisations with their superior resources (guns and ships). The NSWRL used the money their clubs collected from pokies to bankrupt smaller competitions that didn't have these resources. The Brits planted the Union Jack on conquered territories and ruled over them, treating the locals like second class people. The NSWRL put a token club in conquered cities so they were burdened with the humiliation of being forced to play in the Sydney competition, where they're never treated like equals and are just there to be exploited for their resources (players and money from TV rights).

Any discussion about expansion is always through the lens of how the Sydney clubs can benefit. Never do the powers that be consider what's best for the expansion sides. Quayle and Arthurson set the Crushers, Cowboys, Reds and Warriors up to fail by making them cover travel and accommodation costs of Sydney clubs. Their idiocy created the Super League War and set the game back 30 years, but the Sydney fans blame everything on Murdoch, Broncos and every other Super League club except for the three from Sydney that jumped ship.

This new Brisbane team is only getting a spot in the NRL because the NSWRL's arrogance and bastardry towards Queensland RL has allowed AwFuL to make massive inroads in the state, and it's now having a detrimental effect on the Broncos and Origin, which are the two money-making machines that allow us to keep up with AwFuL to some degree.

Well said. Same is happening now with NZ and the PI's, they just want the players.

 

[baggygreen man]

I am of the belief that we need to be a truly national sport to be taken seriously by other sports, such as the rahs rahs. So I vote for both a West Aussie and a South Aussie team. It worked once.. surely with some planning and vision we can get it to work again.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Its not what the report commissioned by the clubs shows so not sure it holds much water. For NRL it will be the club with the least financial risk that will get it. That may not be the club with the best potential or strategically best placed for the game into the future.

Timing is interesting as they have mentioned making a decision before Nov1 for player signing purposes but the FTA TV deal isnt due to be concluded until December so not sure how the NRL knows it is going to cover the costs of expanding?

I know you are well aware of this, but not choosing a team that is that has the best potential long-term strategy is also a risk. Whichever bid wins, I hope there is a Brisbane-wide strategy that goes along with cementing it as a RL stronghold forever.

Re: timing... I can only assume that they are in discussions with 9 about this also and they are getting indications of what they'd be willing to pay for a weekly Brisbane match on TV.

 

[Santino Patane]

It will be them because they pose the least threat of "cannibalizing" the Broncos and Titans. Not sure what data they have that shows this though, plenty of Broncos fans around Redcliffe and Moreton Bay area. The Titans seem to believe they have fans on the south side of Brisbane... once again, not sure what data they are going by for this.

The data would be the addresses of their Members. Also, anecdotally (being a said member) there is a population of Titans supporters in the Southside.

 

[toomuchsoup]

My revised take on the bids jerseys.

As we all know, it doesn’t matter how many studies you do into financial reports, population data and all that nonsense. The most important aspect of the bid is how will the jersey fit into the colour palette of the NRL. Based on that, Jets are no.1 Dolphins 2 then Firehawks last

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

No, just means there's a void that other codes have exploited

The void was filled because other sports spent money building the game from the bottom up in these areas, whereas our game only cared about the clubs and professional players. You don't win the hearts of kids by pretending they don't exist.

Void was created by "need" to rationalize league. Clubs are self interested & will do each other in if they can, something which has been happening since the says of glebe & annadale.
Outsider's suggestion that fans simply move to surviving teams is fantasy, as game is tribal & opposition is despised. In that climate rival codes can fill void & become club of the deposed.

You are correct. The problem is there's too many small tribes in Sydney, and they're trying to compete against unified tribes from afar that vastly outnumber them. In a capitalist, dog eat dog world, most of the Sydney clubs would have bankrupted themselves into oblivion by now. The only reason they're still here is because the NSWRL/ARL/NRL adopted a USSR-style socialist system that allows the rats and mice of Sydney to sit alongside the big elephants of Brisbane and Melbourne. The expense needed to support this unnatural and frankly unfair system has deprived the game's lower tiers of precious resources needed to grow the game from the bottom up. We're now starting to see the results of this silly "Sydney first, f**k everyone else" socialist system.

The Sydney fans and admin think the answer is to keep doing the same thing and hope everything will right itself. As Einstein said, doing the same thing repetitively and hoping for a different result is insane. We need to knock down the archaic Sydney model and replace it with something that will unify the tribes into something sustainable.

AwFuL has a vaguely similar problem with its Melbourne clubs, but it's manageable because the AwFuL HQ keep them in check and the tribes of Melbourne fumbleball are much bigger and more emotionally invested in their teams.

Maybe it's time for all 9 Sydney clubs to f**k off to the NSW Cup and replace them with 4 or 5 new teams that can unify all of Sydney's RL fans, or just keep the 5 or 6 biggest clubs, throw a tonne of money at junior RL to get the next generation of RL fans to adopt these clubs, and let the rusted on oldies who are stuck in the 70s shout at clouds about Murdoch, Broncos, lack of tribalism or whatever it is that has made them bitter.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Well said. Same is happening now with NZ and the PI's, they just want the players.

The sad thing is RL could be so much bigger in NZ and the Pacific if the ARLC got over themselves and gave them a fair share of the pie. With RU becoming a European-centric sport as the salaries on offer from England and France are lightyears ahead of what can be earned playing the game in Australia, NZ and SA, there's a real opportunity for RL to become the main sport across Australasia and the Pacific.

I can see RU declining in NZ as more topline players opt to play for European clubs. If we were to have 3 or even 4 professional RL clubs in NZ providing a greater salary than what the NZRU can give them, then we could make RL the sport of choice for the next generation of New Zealanders. Having those 3 or 4 clubs competing against Australian clubs would create a Bledisloe Cup type atmosphere for Kiwis who love beating us Aussies.

 

[flippikat]

I can see RU declining in NZ as more topline players opt to play for European clubs. If we were to have 3 or even 4 professional RL clubs in NZ providing a greater salary than what the NZRU can give them, then we could make RL the sport of choice for the next generation of New Zealanders. Having those 3 or 4 clubs competing against Australian clubs would create a Bledisloe Cup type atmosphere for Kiwis who love beating us Aussies.

The only thing NZ Rugby has got that's worth any value is the All Blacks.

They keep players here just by virtue of that rule that "you can't be selected for the ABS if you play overseas".. but play here in what?

Super Rugby is a shadow of what it was in it's late 90s/early 2000s peak. Who wants to see the same 5 NZ teams beat Australian teams every damn year, and crush a Pacific team that's been set up seemingly as a "mea culpa" for years of NZR neglect?

South Africa see their future in Europe, Australia is a mortally wounded basket case, the Pacific Islands are hobbled by decades of NZ Rugby grabbing their best talent, and frontier markets like Asia & America are completely underdeveloped.

NZ Rugby aren't a big fish in a small pond, they're a blue whale swimming aimlessly in a Pacific ocean of goldfish, and the plankton is dying.

Bringing this BACK from thread-drift, that all makes it a perfect time for the NRL to engage with NZRL and plan a strategy to get RL a higher profile here - and really take it to RU while they're in disarray. It's a golden opportunity. Best chance they've had in nearly 30 years (remember how RL was in the ascendancy in NZ just before RU went pro?)... but if NZ 2 as the 18th team is part of that, the NRL need to start engaging with NZRL, the Warriors, Sky TV & other stakeholders BEFORE just having public brain-farts about it.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The only thing NZ Rugby has got that's worth any value is the All Blacks.

They keep players here just by virtue of that rule that "you can't be selected for the ABS if you play overseas".. but play here in what?

Super Rugby is a shadow of what it was in it's late 90s/early 2000s peak. Who wants to see the same 5 NZ teams beat Australian teams every damn year, and crush a Pacific team that's been set up seemingly as a "mea culpa" for years of NZR neglect?

South Africa see their future in Europe, Australia is a mortally wounded basket case, the Pacific Islands are hobbled by decades of NZ Rugby grabbing their best talent, and frontier markets like Asia & America are completely underdeveloped.

NZ Rugby aren't a big fish in a small pond, they're a blue whale swimming aimlessly in a Pacific ocean of goldfish, and the plankton is dying.

Bringing this BACK from thread-drift, that all makes it a perfect time for the NRL to engage with NZRL and plan a strategy to get RL a higher profile here - and really take it to RU while they're in disarray. It's a golden opportunity. Best chance they've had in nearly 30 years (remember how RL was in the ascendancy in NZ just before RU went pro?)... but if NZ 2 as the 18th team is part of that, the NRL need to start engaging with NZRL, the Warriors, Sky TV & other stakeholders BEFORE just having public brain-farts about it.

Everything you said is true. There will never be a better time to make serious inroads into the NZ market. It's the only expansion area that can provide more players to the talent pool and improve the game's finances.

If the game can get a strong foothold in NZ, expand into Adelaide and Perth, get a 2nd and 3rd team in Brisbane and crack into the SE Asian market with a team in Singapore and one or two in PNG over the next 25 years, then our game will dominate Oceania and have the potential to make serious inroads into SE Asia. If we want to be a big money sport then we need SE Asia on our side, and to do that we will need to give them a seat at the table.

We shouldn't stop at Singapore either. Malaysia and Indonesia are right on our doorstep. Why not muscle into those markets?

If we don't do it then fumbleball will.

 

[baselinepanther]

we were told that SE Asia was going to be the financial godsend for soccer in this country with the asian championships etc
& its done nothing for it, not a thing.
thats ... for a sport that is already universally recognised as the most popular in that part of the world

the chances RL or any other introduced sport will do anything there in 25 years , or ever , is as about as likely as a manned settlement on mars in that time

 

[MugaB]

we were told that SE Asia was going to be the financial godsend for soccer in this country with the asian championships etc
& its done nothing for it, not a thing.
thats ... for a sport that is already universally recognised as the most popular in that part of the world

the chances RL or any other introduced sport will do anything there in 25 years , or ever , is as about as likely as a manned settlement on mars in that time

You're better off headbutting the wall, this Asian club thing won't let up, twiggy wants to spray his gospel around the expansion threads instead of talking about "Expansion"

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

we were told that SE Asia was going to be the financial godsend for soccer in this country with the asian championships etc
& its done nothing for it, not a thing.
thats ... for a sport that is already universally recognised as the most popular in that part of the world

the chances RL or any other introduced sport will do anything there in 25 years , or ever , is as about as likely as a manned settlement on mars in that time

It didn't work for the A-League because it's a 5th rate competition that soccer fans in Australia couldn't give two shits about. Australian and SE Asian soccer fans would rather watch the EPL.

RL is a different beast altogether. The NRL is the largest "rugby" competition of either code and Australia is a major country that rich East Asians are buying into at a rapid rate. If you're an East Asian company looking to crack the Australian market then you've got a better chance of doing it through the NRL/AwFuL than the A-League.

 

[baselinepanther]

You're better off headbutting the wall, this Asian club thing won't let up, twiggy wants to spray his gospel around the expansion threads instead of talking about "Expansion"

i draw the line at a 2nd NZ team
nowhere else is viable end of.. NZ has enough of a population & enough finances to support a team

teams 19 & 20 should be Perth & Adelaide
then thats it
no more.

timeline
the Brisbane Dolphins 2023
The Christchurch Orcas 2027

Perth Pirates & Adelaide Rams in 2030

 

[MugaB]

i draw the line at a 2nd NZ team
nowhere else is viable end of.. NZ has enough of a population & enough finances to support a team

teams 19 & 20 should be Perth & Adelaide
then thats it
no more.

timeline
the Brisbane Dolphins 2023
The Christchurch Orcas 2027

Perth Pirates & Adelaide Rams in 2030

Im cool with that, what do reckon about PNG tho?

Btw twiggy won't let up, if he gets a wild idea its going to be repeated at nauseam on every thread, this weeks edition is east asia, and how st.george will relocate there coz Asians love dragons, and grotd is a racist, or at least borderline racist, doesnt probably know that its offensive to assume that asians like pandas and tigers too..... oh yeah dragons are an Asian thing, lets send them up there

 

[baselinepanther]

It didn't work for the A-League because it's a 5th rate competition that soccer fans in Australia couldn't give two shits about. Australian and SE Asian soccer fans would rather watch the EPL.

RL is a different beast altogether. The NRL is the largest "rugby" competition of either code and Australia is a major country that rich East Asians are buying into at a rapid rate. If you're an East Asian company looking to crack the Australian market then you've got a better chance of doing it through the NRL/AwFuL than the A-League.

you're right , RL is a different beast
in that 99.9% of people there have never heard of it & will never have any interest in it.
Asians here don't follow our sports in any great numbers

it will be 10,000 fold over there

 

[baselinepanther]

Im cool with that, what do reckon about PNG tho?

Btw twiggy won't let up, if he gets a wild idea its going to be repeated at nauseam on every thread, this weeks edition is east asia, and how st.george will relocate there coz Asians love dragons, and grotd is a racist, or at least borderline racist, doesnt probably know that its offensive to assume that asians like pandas and tigers too..... oh yeah dragons are an Asian thing, lets send them up there

nah
PNG is a 3rd world country & even if the govt owned a license & put up the 30 million a year to field a side
they're not going to get a side before any of the 4 ive mentioned

the QLD cup yep
their national side playing tests etc there for sure

but not in the NRL proper

 

[MugaB]

nah
PNG is a 3rd world country & even if the govt owned a license & put up the 30 million a year to field a side
they're not going to get a side before any of the 4 ive mentioned

the QLD cup yep
their national side playing tests etc there for sure

but not in the NRL proper

Not even if merged with an Aus based bid? To me its a great way to gain a straight pathway, plus limit the exposure to being in PNG, probably only be there 6 matches a year, surely can fly in and out without drama on the day...
And get a PNG side added to the National Rugby League, without it being a PNG only team, if that makes sense

 

[baselinepanther]

Not even if merged with an Aus based bid?

none of the Australian sides in the future would or should need PNG to be successful. They should get in on their own merits alone

I wouldn't oppose a few NRL clubs taking games to be played up there in Port Moresby annually
say on the eve of a bye so they get plenty of time to recover etc
that'd work for everyone i think