Ivan sacked

[Penrose Warrior]

that last bit you said reminds me of scurrah accepting medicocrity, make the 8 and ur ok. thats whats been wrong with the place
i suspect doyle is expecting top 4, anything less with the resources, talent and depth we have will and should be a bit below par. If we limp into the 8 or finish 7th then there is a problem

I totally agree for the record...I'm just saying I think that's what will happen. I can't see McFadden being fired if we make the finals for the first time in 5 seasons. It'd be a bold call, which yeah Doyle has in him. I guess it depends on the football we play, and whether we beat good sides along the way, if we have injuries but still make it etc.

Lion is completely right, poor business decisions land us where we are today. I believe we can finally stick our head out of the hole Scurrah dug if we make the 8 (I'm predicting 6th, which gives us a home final which hopefully we win), injuries go our way and we continue to make strong staffing appointments. The only one that bugs me is Iro as recruitment manager, if he had any ambition, intellect and drive would he still have been an assistant last year after a decade?

 

[ozbash]

The only one that bugs me is Iro as recruitment manager, if he had any ambition, intellect and drive would he still have been an assistant last year after a decade?



Agree, why haven't they got the best talent spotter in the game working for them ?
He works about 150 meters away..... John Ackland.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

He's a much better option no doubt, but I think there was a major falling out between him and the club.

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

Pass on Ackland. I don't think a return is on the cards anyway.

If Ivan is burnt out then a year off could do him good. Will give us a chance to properly assess what Cappy can do with the team he has first.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

Pass on Ackland. I don't think a return is on the cards anyway.

If Ivan is burnt out then a year off could do him good. Will give us a chance to properly assess what Cappy can do with the team he has first.

I doubt he's burnt out, that was just a bullshit line from Gould. Like anyone would be bouncing around the joint when players are falling like Chinese flies and the losses are piling up.

The timing does set up well, as you say though.

 

[JJ]

I doubt he's burnt out, that was just a bullshit line from Gould. Like anyone would be bouncing around the joint when players are falling like Chinese flies and the losses are piling up.

The timing does set up well, as you say though.

I'm buying what Gould said, fwiw Cleary's looked flatter than normal to me for a while. Like him or not, Gould isn't afraid of big calls (never has been), and seems to think them through, and they usually work (I'd love someone like him in a role with the Warriors)

On the bouncing about the place, Cappy seems to maintain a relatively chirpy disposition - either he's 100% confident Doyle has his back, or thick as pig shit...

 

[Skinner]

Pass on Ackland. I don't think a return is on the cards anyway.

If Ivan is burnt out then a year off could do him good. Will give us a chance to properly assess what Cappy can do with the team he has first.

I would take John back in a heart beat. Very much doubt he would come back anyway.

 

[Skinner]

I'm just a little bemused that folks think Ivan would even want to go back to the Warriors.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

I'm buying what Gould said, fwiw Cleary's looked flatter than normal to me for a while. Like him or not, Gould isn't afraid of big calls (never has been), and seems to think them through, and they usually work (I'd love someone like him in a role with the Warriors)

On the bouncing about the place, Cappy seems to maintain a relatively chirpy disposition - either he's 100% confident Doyle has his back, or thick as pig shit...

This is good, usually I completely agree with you and find it bloody boring to not be able to have a discussion haha!

I wouldn't be surprised if Ivan was flatter than he'd ever been. This year has been his hardest by a decent stretch. 2009 would probably compare, but no one expected results from him in 2006 and 2012/13 with the Panthers. The Panthers were being talked up big style to win the premiership, got absolutely pumped by injuries and could have got the spoon. They probably should've.

Cappy is bloody lucky to be where he is, and he is a naturally more outward personality than Ivan is so that would seem to be the case. I don't believe Doyle has his back for a second, FYI. He's backing him publicly and probably to his face now, which is great. But if he sees an opening to drop him and get a better option I think the door would hit McFadden in the arse before the clear light of day did. A CEO is required to get the best man for the job; Doyle didn't hire Cappy or re-sign him. He'll want the best guy in charge in soon as possible to best fulfil his job to deliver results as our CEO.

I honestly don't think Gould is the visionary intellect that he used to be. Only a guess but he just seems so damn cynical about the game in his calls. He's stubborn, refuses to see anyone else's view, he engages in petty stuff with journos/punters on Twitter etc. He's been in the game a damn long time and it might be catching up on him.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

I'm just a little bemused that folks think Ivan would even want to go back to the Warriors.

He may not...I don't think anyone is saying he is. I'm not, I'm just saying I'd ask.

 

[MKEB...]

I would take John back in a heart beat. Very much doubt he would come back anyway.

Sorry Skinner, have to disagree...

To be fair, undoubted talent spotter... Coach? not hard to coach the juniors. I think the issue there was more that Elliott perceived that the best players needed to come through NSWC first. I Think that was the one thing that Elliott got right.

But (IMO) the quandry for Ackland was job description. Was he there to develop players or to win the NYC at all costs? With the players at his disposal; were we ever not going to win at least once?

 

[jamaman]

i think he will be the next kangaroos coach

Mal wants the job

 

[jaseg]

Sorry Skinner, have to disagree...

To be fair, undoubted talent spotter... Coach? not hard to coach the juniors. I think the issue there was more that Elliott perceived that the best players needed to come through NSWC first. I Think that was the one thing that Elliott got right.

But (IMO) the quandry for Ackland was job description. Was he there to develop players or to win the NYC at all costs? With the players at his disposal; were we ever not going to win at least once?

Gotta agree with this, but felt the need to comment on the talent spotter thing.. he's good, but some way off the top tier of scouts/recruiters in the NRL. Peter O'Sullivan is clearly the best in that regard (although his dodgy salary cap dealings are a stain on his record)... it's not even close. Not even in the same ball park.

 

[ozbash]

Not even in the same ball park.

lol, they'll name the ball park after Ackers..

 

[LeagueNut]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league...s-coach-ivan-cleary-denies-that-hes-burnt-out

Ivan Cleary has hit back at Phil Gould's claims he was burnt out and needed a rest after he was sacked as Penrith's NRL coach.

Panthers supremo Gould made the claims on Wednesday as he unveiled former Brisbane mentor Anthony Griffin as the club's new coach for the next three seasons.

Gould said Cleary's testing four years at the foot of the mountains had burnt Cleary out.

But Cleary, who is holidaying in the Maldives following the shock announcement, disputed those suggestions in a brief interview with Sportal.

"I am still a bit shocked and disappointed," he said.

"No, I'm not ready to throw it in."

Cleary had been linked to a return to the Warriors, who he led to the 2011 grand final before joining the Panthers, in the back half of last season.

But the former goalkicking three-quarter who played 186 first-grade games dismissed the talk as pure speculation and said it had nothing to do with his exit from the Panthers.

"That's just ..(media speculation), that's got nothing to do with it," he said.

"I don't want to say much more than that. I'm going on holiday and will definitely enjoy that."

Gould stood behind the decision to axe Cleary and bring in Griffin.

"It was extremely difficult the Ivan Cleary decision and it's my decision, I made that call, I'll stand by it and I'll be accountable for it," Gould said.

"With all my experience, all my heart and all my gut I believe it was the right thing for Ivan and for us at this time.

"We've been mates for 20 years and it's not an easy thing to do. I believe this club needed a new direction and I believe Ivan needed a spell.

"To be honest, I think we burned him out."

I like the sound of what he's not saying

 

[jaseg]

lol, they'll name the ball park after Ackers..

Smith, Cronk, Inglis, Folau, Chambers, Tomane, Blair, Manu, Proctor, Bromwich, Cordner, Guerra, Tupou, Tuivasa-Sheck, Napa, Evans etc etc etc would disagree with you.. and Ackland had a LOT bigger pools to pick from.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

Hard to know given we don't know the context of the call - ie whether Ivan just said that to get the guy off the phone while he was holidaying - but that's not a denial of any link with the Warriors, just that it didn't have to do with his sacking. Very interesting.

And I believe Ivan, so it further confirms that Gould is a lying piece of shit.

 

[Rich102]

Smith, Cronk, Inglis, Folau, Chambers, Tomane, Blair, Manu, Proctor, Bromwich, Cordner, Guerra, Tupou, Tuivasa-Sheck, Napa, Evans etc etc etc would disagree with you.. and Ackland had a LOT bigger pools to pick from.

True. But O'Sullivan had a lot bigger carrot to dangle in front of his signings.
Ackers did good.

 

[JJ]

Hard to know given we don't know the context of the call - ie whether Ivan just said that to get the guy off the phone while he was holidaying - but that's not a denial of any link with the Warriors, just that it didn't have to do with his sacking. Very interesting.

And I believe Ivan, so it further confirms that Gould is a lying piece of shit.

Gould's said it's his call, and his opinion that Ivan's toasted... in essence there's just a difference of opinion?

 

[JJ]

True. But O'Sullivan had a lot bigger carrot to dangle in front of his signings.
Ackers did good.

Yeah, behind a launch....