Jack De Belin

[aussie7798]

Respectfully disagree mate. I’ll leave it there.

One thing id like to know is why the DPP seems to have brought a charge that even the complainant apparently denied happened before the court

 

[boardlumps62]

And with regards to how people feel about JDB playing for us, that's up to the individual. But if the DPP don't pursue a 3rd trial, then the only thing he is guilty of is having a sordid sexual encounter play out in the public eye, and cheating on his partner.

That makes him a first class douche, but in reality no different to plenty of other players playing NRL. It's not a sporting code with a high moral compass after all and there is a long list of incidents that attest to this.

So I'll cheer him on like I do any other player that dons our jersey, especially if he helps us win.

There's probably a bit of this in all sports not only the men the women as well and in all walks of life. Innocent in my eyes and that's after two court cases.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

I’m not sure we know enough about the internal workings of the dpp to cast blame.

They’ve had available the full resources of the state government on two occasions over a couple of years and haven’t persuaded the jury to reach a verdict of guilty.

 

[Slippery Morris]

Ideally it would be good to get closure with a guilty or not guilty verdict. Dropping the charges will still leave so much doubt and JDB will get tainted for life of something he may not have done. He is going to get targeted more with this result than if he had a not guilty verdict. Less or the same if he got a guilty verdict but at least if he got the guilty verdict he will be behind bars away from the public. Did he dodge a bullet nobody will know. I bet some Saints will assume he is innocent, the rest of the Saints fans and all NRL will assume guilty.

It will be hard for him to get back to what he was so paying him as much as it has been reported is risky but there were clubs chasing him and with his short time left in the game he needs to get all he can post retirement as he would have spent a ton of cash on this matter. This article about what Saints are paying him is a cheap shot at Saints I feel as they are saying that they are supporting a bloke who has done wrong for the club and the code.

I think for his own welfare he was better off leaving Oz and going to play in England where they would know less of him.

 

[blacksafake]

When they drop the charges, I hope De Belin get stuck right into the NRL and the DPP. For me this whole saga is a nightmare.

I think he would be better off keeping low, concetrating on playing footy & mending his personal life.

 

[TruSaint]

When they drop the charges, I hope De Belin get stuck right into the NRL and the DPP. For me this whole saga is a nightmare.

Let's get a couple of things clear.

He has failed at Federal Court with NRL already. He did not appeal that case.

"It's a tough but a fair rule, and one that has been affirmed by the Federal Court," Abdo said.

"We've already had that challenge. Jack de Belin challenged us in the Federal Court, and the decision was that it was appropriate, it was reasonable and that we were acting in the best interest of the game. This rule is there for the right reasons, it's there to protect the game."

He has availed himself to fine counsel, as a result of being paid fully during the course of the 2 plus years.

In November he and the Club entered into a new deal more lucrative than the one he was on. This, whilst facing the real "possibility" of a custodial sentence.

I will let the lawyers take over, but from my experience the only avenue against the DPP is malicious prosecution. A very high bar to prove. That much I am sure of.

Lastly, the DPP, as we speak have not withdrawn the charges.

It's a shit sandwich anyway you cut, one brought about by the defendant. Guilty or not.

 

[redv13]

Let's get a couple of things clear.

He has failed at Federal Court with NRL already. He did not appeal that case.

"It's a tough but a fair rule, and one that has been affirmed by the Federal Court," Abdo said.

"We've already had that challenge. Jack de Belin challenged us in the Federal Court, and the decision was that it was appropriate, it was reasonable and that we were acting in the best interest of the game. This rule is there for the right reasons, it's there to protect the game."

He has availed himself to fine counsel, as a result of being paid fully during the course of the 2 plus years.

In November he and the Club entered into a new deal more lucrative than the one he was on. This, whilst facing the real "possibility" of a custodial sentence.

I will let the lawyers take over, but from my experience the only avenue against the DPP is malicious prosecution. A very high bar to prove. That much I am sure of.

Lastly, the DPP, as we speak have not withdrawn the charges.

It's a shit sandwich anyway you cut, one brought about by the defendant. Guilty or not.

Well said Tru

 

[possm]

1 that why i said its looking like not that he is

2 i know just another point i thought was relevant

3 i know i was just pointing out 2 things that are unusual i imagine to happen that have happened in this case

4 you can not attribute blame to the defendants for what they claim where legal private sexual actions unless you can prove that what they did was criminal, otherwise you claim that anybody who has legal sexual relations should be prepared to deal with the situation that has presented here

The DPP has not been successful in it's prosecution of the case against De Belin. The defendants are always innocent until proven guilty and they have not been proven guilty on any count. In fact they lost on one count in which De Belin was found not guilty.

The DPP have no case and should drop their charges immediately as there is no point in prolonging things until 28 May; unless of course they are being vandictive.

 

[redv13]

The DPP has not been successful in it's prosecution of the case against De Belin. The defendants are always innocent until proven guilty and they have not been proven guilty on any count. In fact they lost on one count in which De Belin was found not guilty.

The DPP have no case and should drop their charges immediately as there is no point in prolonging things until 28 May; unless of course they are being vandictive.

Well possm they do have a case. Clearly jurors in both trials thought so too or he would have been found not guilty on the other 5 charges. It’s a shit fight

 

[MarkD]

Damn good point D.D. - those vultures have decided to swoop down on the carcass to get what little meat remains on it . As long as it sells their papers , they would say anything , how could they become privy to the details of his contract ?

The rag and some of its jurno's bordered on defimation when this case first made the news... I reckon if/when this fully settles Jack may have his lawyers on the prowl for damages

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Well possm they do have a case. Clearly jurors in both trials thought so too or he would have been found not guilty on the other 5 charges. It’s a shit fight

There’s a case according to some but not others! It’s a mess though. Yes!

I think the assumptions made when they introduced the no fault stand down was:

1. Players would be better behaved ( hasn’t come true)
2. They relied on a reasonably quick and certain legal system (not true)
3. That the nrl had insight into legal process (not true)
4. It would fix the perception of the game in the public’s eyes ( absolutely not true)
5. It would reflect well on the NRL (no)

All it’s managed to do is cause unnecessary harm to players, clubs, their friends and family and the thousands of people who indirectly rely on those adversely effected.

They can call it what they want, but it pre-supposes culpability of some kind and is a penalty based on opinion not fact.

The NRL needs to give up pretending to be a kind of defacto “occupational bail court” and try to run a fair competition.

Let the legal system do it’s job, that’s what it’s there for!

The jdb prosecution matter will end up being determined by the head of the office of public prosecutions. No idea what he wants to do with it.

 

[boardlumps62]

Yesterday I was feeling good after the news that Jack wasn't going to jail today.
Now I realise if the DPP want to be pig headed and waste more of mine and your money they could go after Jack again.
So I'm just going to cross my fingers and hope between now and 28 May something happens for the good and Jack's back!

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Yesterday I was feeling good after the news that Jack wasn't going to jail today.
Now I realise if the DPP want to be pig headed and waste more of mine and your money they could go after Jack again.
So I'm just going to cross my fingers and hope between now and 28 May something happens for the good and Jack's back!

100%

And I can assure all of his supporters he's very grateful and appreciative for our sentiments.

It means a lot to him personally, especially from fans and the general public.

 

[Maddragon99]

It’s gone to trail twice once in Wollongong & once in Sydney, on both occasions neither jury could even reach a majority verdict which suggests something like a 7/4 or 8/3 split. The jury in Wollongong was only out for 10hrs which suggests a 6/5 split!

Given the complete failure of the DPP to successfully prosecute their case I can’t see how they can justify another trial.

Jack has been publicly humiliated through the media for 2.5yrs & robbed of the opportunity to continue his sporting career. He’s missed out on Origin & possibly International rep footy.

He could have been a 300 game club legend & had a possible media or coaching career this is now all gone. The smell of this will follow Jack wherever he goes now forever.

While the complaint couldn’t get a guilty verdict Jack has still paid a very high price for what he did.

 

[redv13]

It’s gone to trail twice once in Wollongong & once in Sydney, on both occasions neither jury could even reach a majority verdict which suggests something like a 7/4 or 8/3 split. The jury in Wollongong was only out for 10hrs which suggests a 6/5 split!

Given the complete failure of the DPP to successfully prosecute their case I can’t see how they can justify another trial.

Jack has been publicly humiliated through the media for 2.5yrs & robbed of the opportunity to continue his sporting career. He’s missed out on Origin & possibly International rep footy.

He could have been a 300 game club legend & had a possible media or coaching career this is now all gone. The smell of this will follow Jack wherever he goes now forever.

While the complaint couldn’t get a guilty verdict Jack has still paid a very high price for what he did.

No offence but if Jack thought with his big head and not his little head then none of this would be happening right now. Just saying...

 

[Maddragon99]

No offence but if Jack thought with his big head and not his little head then none of this would be happening right now. Just saying...

That’s exactly my point. Even if the charges are dropped & he’s able to return to the NRL he’s hardly got off scot-free.

 

[SBD82]

The trial wasn’t able to deliver a verdict when the threshold required was “beyond reasonable doubt”.

I wonder whether they would have reached a verdict if the threshold required was “balance of probability”.

I find that thought pretty troubling. Not sure I can get past it.

 

[boardlumps62]

The trial wasn’t able to deliver a verdict when the threshold required was “beyond reasonable doubt”.

I wonder whether they would have reached a verdict if the threshold required was “balance of probability”.

I find that thought pretty troubling. Not sure I can get past it.

Sorry your talking crap. Innocent until proven guilty which means he past that test. Proven beyond reasonable doubt well got one charge dismissed and jury couldn't agree on the rest to find him guilty "beyond reasonable doubt". What do you want?

 

[SBD82]

Sorry your talking crap. Innocent until proven guilty which means he past that test. Proven beyond reasonable doubt well got one charge dismissed and jury couldn't agree on the rest to find him guilty "beyond reasonable doubt". What do you want?

I’m not sure that I could have been more clear in my original post.

 

[Drakon]

It’s gone to trail twice once in Wollongong & once in Sydney, on both occasions neither jury could even reach a majority verdict which suggests something like a 7/4 or 8/3 split. The jury in Wollongong was only out for 10hrs which suggests a 6/5 split!

Except for one thing.....there are 12 jurors deciding the outcome.......not 11.