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Jack Debelin could be back in 17 as early as next week

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Dragonssupporter

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My only thought is how can it take so long for such a case to even get to Court.The Law system is pathetic. This sort of delay shouldnt be allowed. It should have been able to start 2 weeks after charges were laid.What more was needed to be known that wasnt known then.However belt someone in the mouth or protest and get arrested and you'll be in court in under a month. Imagine getting caught DUI and the copper saying we'll see you in court in 2 yrs time. So sorry for Jack either way. 2 yrs to even get there is just disgusting
 
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Dragonssupporter said:
My only thought is how can it take so long for such a case to even get to Court.The Law system is pathetic. This sort of delay shouldnt be allowed. It should have been able to start 2 weeks after charges were laid.What more was needed to be known that wasnt known then.However belt someone in the mouth or protest and get arrested and you'll be in court in under a month. Imagine getting caught DUI and the copper saying we'll see you in court in 2 yrs time. So sorry for Jack either way. 2 yrs to even get there is just disgusting
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You are asking for a very serious offence to have the case heard 2 weeks after the charges were laid?
The gravity of the case isn't on par with a DUI.

These cases take time, sometimes years. So long as justice is served either way, then so be it.
 
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Firstly im not saying that the 2 cases are the same.You're right the gravity is different. However what evidence changes in this period that justifies an 18 month to date delay-absolutely none. The law system is a farce-nothing justifies this delay. If it was 6 months even that would be too long.The only people who gain from this are the lawyers. And no-they shouldnt take years.Justice should be swift and served correctly. If this was happening to any of us we'd be screaming
 
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Court dates are set based upon availability in the court schedule. The nature of the charge generally determines the number of days needed to be set aside and therefore further impacts the date/s the court can schedule a case.

Cheers

ie: the more naughty people are charged the further out dates are set.

lucky if you’re not waiting whilst in custody
 
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Miller was a legend said:
Court dates are set based upon availability in the court schedule. The nature of the charge generally determines the number of days needed to be set aside and therefore further impacts the date/s the court can schedule a case.

Cheers

ie: the more naughty people are charged the further out dates are set.

lucky if you’re not waiting whilst in custody
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Good response and unless we spend considerable more taxes on judicial system (which I don’t feel we should) then unfortunately like a lot of people waiting for their cases to be heard JDB sweats it out. Unfortunately for JDB unlike many circumstances he confronts he is not considered a privileged one. I’m afraid in the eyes of the law, he’s no different to the plain folk, nor should he be.
 
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Blue bags- to start with-neither you nor I know know that he has done anything so your opening statement is completely wrong. He has an assumption of innocence.
Secondly as I said if it was you or I, we would have now been unemployed for 18 months with no income.So yes id be screaming and I suspect you would too.If you think you'd be happy with a game of chess then so be it-I wouldnt
I do have knowledge of this case and when the truth comes out a lot of people will be very suprised. Things arent as they appear-we'll wait and see
In the mean time i dont expect to be lectured to by a member whos been here for 6 months
 
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Dragonssupporter said:
Blue bags- to start with-neither you nor I know know that he has done anything so your opening statement is completely wrong. He has an assumption of innocence.
Secondly as I said if it was you or I, we would have now been unemployed for 18 months with no income.So yes id be screaming and I suspect you would too.If you think you'd be happy with a game of chess then so be it-I wouldnt
I do have knowledge of this case and when the truth comes out a lot of people will be very suprised. Things arent as they appear-we'll wait and see
In the mean time i dont expect to be lectured to by a member whos been here for 6 months
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The issue is not with the justice department, it is with the NRL. It is not good enough to impose a suspension without taking responsibility for that decision. If the NRL were truly worried about the game's reputation, it should have assumed responsibility for the De Belin contract.

In doing this, the NRL could have negotiated an arrangement behind closed doors and credited 550k to the SGI salary cap and assumed all liability for De Belin's contract.

De Belin could have been offered the appropriate support by the NRL and even given permission to play in the ESL until his trial commenced. An option of a swap with a suitable ESL forward at 550k per season could have been an ideal way of solving the problem.
 
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possm said:
The issue is not with the justice department, it is with the NRL. It is not good enough to impose a suspension without taking responsibility for that decision. If the NRL were truly worried about the game's reputation, it should have assumed responsibility for the De Belin contract.

In doing this, the NRL could have negotiated an arrangement behind closed doors and credited 550k to the SGI salary cap and assumed all liability for De Belin's contract.

De Belin could have been offered the appropriate support by the NRL and even given permission to play in the ESL until his trial commenced. An option of a swap with a suitable ESL forward at 550k per season could have been an ideal way of solving the problem.
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Oh man!!!
So considering he is before the courts for multiple sexual offences carrying significant jail time if he is found guilty, how do you think it’s possible that he could carry on playing over in the UK??
 
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Oh man!!!
So considering he is before the courts for multiple sexual offences carrying significant jail time if he is found guilty, how do you think it’s possible that he could carry on playing over in the UK??
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The same way our club and coach think he was going to play with us in 2019 & 2020 and must be kept on the books and in the top 30.
 
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possm said:
The issue is not with the justice department, it is with the NRL. It is not good enough to impose a suspension without taking responsibility for that decision. If the NRL were truly worried about the game's reputation, it should have assumed responsibility for the De Belin contract.

In doing this, the NRL could have negotiated an arrangement behind closed doors and credited 550k to the SGI salary cap and assumed all liability for De Belin's contract.

De Belin could have been offered the appropriate support by the NRL and even given permission to play in the ESL until his trial commenced. An option of a swap with a suitable ESL forward at 550k per season could have been an ideal way of solving the problem.
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I don't understand how the governing body of our game could allow a contracted player, faced with criminal charges, leave to play abroad, whilst his case is pending.

Your issue is with the NRL's no fault stand down rule.

JDB's team withdrew appealing the decision.

Dragons star Jack de Belin has dropped his legal dispute of the NRL's no-fault stand down rule in Federal Court.

De Belin's legal team reappeared briefly in court on Thursday morning to confirm his appeal has been withdrawn, with his stand-down from the game to continue.

https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/08/22/de-belin-withdraws-appeal-against-no-fault-stand-down-policy/
 
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