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That just backs what I am saying. Trying to get an elite player from other clubs generaly means paying overs and a lot more......
Retaining elite players also means paying overs because you need to get close to the stupid money offered by clubs like the Tigers and Dogs. You might retain a player a bit cheaper if he has a family established in one a team city like Townsville or Melbourne, but even the Warriors don't seem to have any retention advantages, given their results.
 

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Retaining elite players also means paying overs because you need to get close to the stupid money offered by clubs like the Tigers and Dogs.

All I said was I was happy with our juniors as the ones we have produced of late are better then average first graders while guys like Dunster do not excite me that much cause they are a dime a dozen level. They don't win you comps.

Plenty of players do not leave to go to bad clubs unless moneys ridiculous.
 

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All these three mentioned are above average NRL players.
Average NRL player are guys who demand 300k contracts. Think Tim Mannah.
I think the way the stars are remunerated (getting paid three or four times the mean salary of $300k) means that by the time the average players get their money it is well under the mean. Maybe $200k/year
 

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Good to see Moylan is taking his physio seriously.
 

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People fail to understand that I have an excellent eye for spotting juniors.
@TheRam can back me up here.

Getting a hard on over producing average players is for losers. Producing elites is what we MUST strive for. Elite players draw other elite players and average players too. All development clubs will produce average players, that is a given. What we want though is to have in place the best eyes for talent identification to not let the best of the best slip though our own catchment areas and what we can't find(produce) ourselves pilfer from everywhere far and wide like the Storm and Roosters do.

Who gives a stuff about average players? When you have elites, the average ones will follow as sure as night follows day. That is what development clubs primarily produce, but they are hardly anything to get excited about.

Like Hindy said. A flaccid pecker will only rise when a true star is born my friends.

Truthfully.
 

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Getting a hard on over producing average players is for losers. Producing elites is what we MUST strive for. Elite players draw other elite players and average players too. All development clubs will produce average players, that is a given. What we want though is to have in place the best eyes for talent identification to not let the best of the best slip though our own catchment areas and what we can't find(produce) ourselves pilfer from everywhere far and wide like the Storm and Roosters do.

Who gives a stuff about average players? When you have elites, the average ones will follow as sure as night follows day. That is what development clubs primarily produce, but they are hardly anything to get excited about.

Like Hindy said. A flaccid pecker will only rise when a true star is born my friends.

Truthfully.
Development is pointless if you can't retain them. That means offering something more than salary cap space. Whether that something else is geography, third party financial opportunities or a favourable work environment, we clearly haven't had those advantages. That's what we need to fix. Until then all the talk about talent identification and development is like telling poor people they need to invest their money.
 

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Development is pointless if you can't retain them. That means offering something more than salary cap space. Whether that something else is geography, third party financial opportunities or a favourable work environment, we clearly haven't had those advantages. That's what we need to fix. Until then all the talk about talent identification and development is like telling poor people they need to invest their money.

We have a fairly elite spine at the moment, so I don't know what the hell you are on about. We have managed to keep all our good players of late. We are a good club and only getting better fool.
 

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Getting a hard on over producing average players is for losers. Producing elites is what we MUST strive for. Elite players draw other elite players and average players too. All development clubs will produce average players, that is a given. What we want though is to have in place the best eyes for talent identification to not let the best of the best slip though our own catchment areas and what we can't find(produce) ourselves pilfer from everywhere far and wide like the Storm and Roosters do.

Who gives a stuff about average players? When you have elites, the average ones will follow as sure as night follows day. That is what development clubs primarily produce, but they are hardly anything to get excited about.

Like Hindy said. A flaccid pecker will only rise when a true star is born my friends.

Truthfully.
You should read up on how the salary cap works.
 

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You should read up on how the salary cap works.

No thanks. Doesn't seem to have been an issue for the Roosters either.

Having some of the best elite juniors in your squad doesn't stuff up your salary cap. But having to pay overs to acquire average players because you have a crap to average top 17 does.
 

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No thanks. Doesn't seem to have been an issue for the Roosters either.

Having some of the best elite juniors in your squad doesn't stuff up your salary cap. But having to pay overs to acquire average players because you have a crap to average top 17 does.
You’ve just agreed with the point that I made to Hindy.

Some of. Correct. Not all of.

If you develop players you will be better off than trying to acquire them. Even the best clubs have average first graders and back ups. If we don’t have any of those it will completely f**k up our ability to recruit anyone.
 

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You’ve just agreed with the point that I made to Hindy.

Some of. Correct. Not all of.

If you develop players you will be better off than trying to acquire them. Even the best clubs have average first graders and back ups. If we don’t have any of those it will completely f**k up our ability to recruit anyone.


People like you accepted plodders like Alvaro and Mannah. I remember back then me and Ram along with gleeneel called them powder puffs and even back then saying we need hard nosed forwards.
It's nice to see BA has a similar view and pissed these cushions off. He also understands the key to power and aggression in NRL.

You'd make a good touch footy scout. f**king rabbit
 

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You’ve just agreed with the point that I made to Hindy.

Some of. Correct. Not all of.

If you develop players you will be better off than trying to acquire them. Even the best clubs have average first graders and back ups. If we don’t have any of those it will completely f**k up our ability to recruit anyone.

The point is that we will always produce average players, but supporters like Hindy and me will never get to excited about that other then just supporting them as Parra players and having a soft spot because of that.

We on the other hand will blow a gasket over a real elite level player as do other players in the NRL that will want to play along side them thus making it much easier to assemble a quality roster.

Elite is the goal, not a production line of average merkins that will guarantee you a perpetual cycle of mediocrity.

And if you want to keep producing elite level players, then you need to have the best scouts bringing them to the club either from your catchment area or from anywhere else. The key is the people we have in place to do this job.

Period!
 

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