Jarome Luai

[franklin2323]

Those stats back up everything I have seen when watching NSW Cup play. That is the reasoning for 'talking him down'

 

[betcats]

Those stats back up everything I have seen when watching NSW Cup play. That is the reasoning for 'talking him down'

Mate no offense but you talk a lot of players down, not there talent just how ready they are. A few weeks ago Katoa was too raw and a year away from being readu for regular fg according to you. You said after Friday night Luai is 2 years away from being ready for regular fg.

 

[betcats]

Because we watched him play and he did not standout as being better than everyone else. He was average by definition.

Obviously he had it in him to make an impact. He had shown glimpses of that through his lower grades career. But those glimpses were far less regular going from U20s to reserves. They weren't non existent. But they weren't as prominent as they were against Warriors either.

Maybe you don't know what to look for in a young player a lot of people don't. Yeo was average and nothing special according to these forums at one point, same as dallin and waqa and reggie. All those blokes were always destined for great careers but a lot of people on here couldn't see it despite watching them play FG at a young age every week.

And by that definition of average Clearys origin career so far has been average, he stood out on a cover tackle that's it.

You talked down his form for Samoa last year as well. He didn't stand out playing in that samoa team up against better opposition so he was average right? lol he was great for samoa he did really well considering he hadn't even played nrl yet, his form for samoa was super encouraging in regards to his nrl prospects.

 

[franklin2323]

Mate no offense but you talk a lot of players down, not there talent just how ready they are. A few weeks ago Katoa was too raw and a year away from being readu for regular fg according to you. You said after Friday night Luai is 2 years away from being ready for regular fg.

Well general consensus is it takes 50 games to be a consistent FGer. Which is 2-3 seasons you simply won't push for premierships with a team of kids.

Yeo, JFH, Blake etc have improved so much on the back of a few pre seasons

The injury to Edwards has created a space to play FG this season more. Like Kikau last year he will be up and down as he plays more games

 

[Exsilium]

Without a proper second tier competition it is really difficult to determine how well a promising junior will go.

You’re picking on merit and hoping that they translate the same form from the lower grades into first grade. Are they ever ready for FG when they come from NSW cup quality football? Probably not. Which is why Gus/Griffin blood players for a game here and there, send them back and call on them again. Shane Flanagan does the same thing to good effect.

With the academy, proper planning and player management we have seen players make the transition more effectively.

Yeo was quality in the lower grades but not every player needs to stand out like Waqa Blake did. There’s more to a football than raw talent and try scoring ability.

I’d argue that Blake hasn’t hit his potential , especially when you consider his lower grade form. But do I expect him to ruin defences week in and week out. No.

First grade is a whole other level and some players, even with all the talent and skill, can find it hard to adjust. It is what it is I guess.

 

[franklin2323]

Without a proper second tier competition it is really difficult to determine how well a promising junior will go.

You’re picking on merit and hoping that they translate the same form from the lower grades into first grade. Are they ever ready for FG when they come from NSW cup quality football? Probably not. Which is why Gus/Griffin blood players for a game here and there, send them back and call on them again. Shane Flanagan does the same thing to good effect.

With the academy, proper planning and player management we have seen players make the transition more effectively.

Yeo was quality in the lower grades but not every player needs to stand out like Waqa Blake did. There’s more to a football than raw talent and try scoring ability.

I’d argue that Blake hasn’t hit his potential , especially when you consider his lower grade form. But do I expect him to ruin defences week in and week out. No.

First grade is a whole other level and some players, even with all the talent and skill, can find it hard to adjust. It is what it is I guess.

Even looking at the NSW team Mitchell last year played NSW Cup even was on the bench for the Prelim Final. Cook was a bench hooker both have plenty of talent but couldn't get it done for the full 80 mins.

Blake hasn't reached it yet but injuries hurt him he needs a good run without injury. He has cut out the errors he had early and doesn't seem to lose concentration.

Our NSW Cup has plenty of talent. 3 points clear at the top shows that though doesn't mean they will instantly have the same success in 1st grade. That is what most people expect and gives crazy expectations of teams

 

[mxlegend99]

Maybe you don't know what to look for in a young player a lot of people don't. Yeo was average and nothing special according to these forums at one point, same as dallin and waqa and reggie. All those blokes were always destined for great careers but a lot of people on here couldn't see it despite watching them play FG at a young age every week.

Literally everyone on here had huge wraps on Dallin, Waqa and RCG (aside from chrisD). I never gave up on Blake in 2015. I thought he needed to go back to reserves but I was very vocal on here about wasting cap space and an NRL spot on Hiku. Between Blake, Rennings, Gennings and Smith atleast one was odds on to do a job.

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And by that definition of average Clearys origin career so far has been average, he stood out on a cover tackle that's it.

Cleary was average. But average is a huge step up from shit. Which is what he replaced.

You talked down his form for Samoa last year as well. He didn't stand out playing in that samoa team up against better opposition so he was average right? lol he was great for samoa he did really well considering he hadn't even played nrl yet, his form for samoa was super encouraging in regards to his nrl prospects.

He did nothing. He was average AT BEST. I pay closer attention to our guys in rep games and you're talking some serious shit trying to claim that as a great performance. On thr ssme sczle as everyone else he was average. Or everyone is great.

 

[betcats]

Literally everyone on here had huge wraps on Dallin, Waqa and RCG (aside from chrisD). I never gave up on Blake in 2015. I thought he needed to go back to reserves but I was very vocal on here about wasting cap space and an NRL spot on Hiku. Between Blake, Rennings, Gennings and Smith atleast one was odds on to do a job.


Cleary was average. But average is a huge step up from shit. Which is what he replaced.


He did nothing. He was average AT BEST. I pay closer attention to our guys in rep games and you're talking some serious shit trying to claim that as a great performance. On thr ssme sczle as everyone else he was average. Or everyone is great.

They had wraps before they hit FG then when they weren't immediate stars people went off them. Im not saying it was you in particular but I spent a lot of time defending all those guys as more than average.

Being average at 20 playing your first international games playing with guys you don't know that well as a half against much better competition is f**king awesome. His samoan form was every bit as good as Clearys NSW form which you keep frothing on, the fact he did without even being an nrl player is super impressive.

 

[betcats]

Well general consensus is it takes 50 games to be a consistent FGer. Which is 2-3 seasons you simply won't push for premierships with a team of kids.

Yeo, JFH, Blake etc have improved so much on the back of a few pre seasons

The injury to Edwards has created a space to play FG this season more. Like Kikau last year he will be up and down as he plays more games

Of course he is going to go through ups and downs, but he is ready for regular first grade, definitely by next season. Not every player develops the same, its not one way works for everyone.

 

[franklin2323]

Of course he is going to go through ups and downs, but he is ready for regular first grade, definitely by next season. Not every player develops the same, its not one way works for everyone.

So who goes for him to play FG?

 

[betcats]

So who goes for him to play FG?

Ive already said id move on Maloney after this year if we keep Cleary. If we lose Cleary problem solved.

 

[franklin2323]

Ive already said id move on Maloney after this year if we keep Cleary. If we lose Cleary problem solved.

Edwards 20 games
Luai 3 games
Cleary 49 games
Katoa 24 games

That spine would rule us out of winning the comp for a couple of seasons

Much better with him being a fill in player for another season or so

 

[mxlegend99]

They had wraps before they hit FG then when they weren't immediate stars people went off them. Im not saying it was you in particular but I spent a lot of time defending all those guys as more than average.

Being average at 20 playing your first international games playing with guys you don't know that well as a half against much better competition is f**king awesome. His samoan form was every bit as good as Clearys NSW form which you keep frothing on, the fact he did without even being an nrl player is super impressive.

Being average like Cleary was in Origin and Luai was for Samoa just indicates they're worth sticking with at those levels to see if they improve considering age and experience.

But it really doesn't guarantee anything. Cleary didn't let NSW down. But he did prove he could lead us either. His rep career can go either way still

In the Samoan test Tyrone May was a standout. Kikau for Fiji, RCG for Australia werre standouts. Average isn't to say s player was shit either... i wouldn't use average to describe Hiku against us. Or Will Smith most of the time.

 

[OldPanther]

Edwards 20 games
Luai 3 games
Cleary 49 games
Katoa 24 games

That spine would rule us out of winning the comp for a couple of seasons

Much better with him being a fill in player for another season or so

We seem to be building the right forward pack to protect a young spine.

 

[franklin2323]

We seem to be building the right forward pack to protect a young spine.

Spine is what breaks down the good defences though. Get rid of Maloney for 2020. You had added 30 or so games to all those players. If Cleary can't lead us after another Origin series than he is a problem and that is who Luai replaces

 

[OldPanther]

Spine is what breaks down the good defences though. Get rid of Maloney for 2020. You had added 30 or so games to all those players. If Cleary can't lead us after another Origin series than he is a problem and that is who Luai replaces

Make no mistake I want/expect another 12 months minimum out of Maloney.

 

[franklin2323]

Make no mistake I want/expect another 12 months minimum out of Maloney.

He was bought here to get us to the top job not done yet

 

[betcats]

Edwards 20 games
Luai 3 games
Cleary 49 games
Katoa 24 games

That spine would rule us out of winning the comp for a couple of seasons

Much better with him being a fill in player for another season or so

Maybe it would for a year, by 2020 it would have us set up to dominate for years to come. Cleary and Katoa will play another finals series this season, Jerome might feature as well, all three have played rep footy I think its worth the risk. Theres a fair chance Dallin keeps the FB spot imo but that's another convo.

 

[betcats]

Spine is what breaks down the good defences though. Get rid of Maloney for 2020. You had added 30 or so games to all those players. If Cleary can't lead us after another Origin series than he is a problem and that is who Luai replaces

Luai will be signed elsewhere by then. Do you think NRL coaches watched him on Friday and thought "oh yeah that kid is two years away from being ready" lol he's not going to hang around for two more years waiting to see if NAthan works out lol. If Cleary re-signs this year Luai is gone unless we get rid of Maloney.

 

[franklin2323]

Luai will be signed elsewhere by then. Do you think NRL coaches watched him on Friday and thought "oh yeah that kid is two years away from being ready" lol he's not going to hang around for two more years. If Cleary re-signs this year Luai is gone unless we get rid of Maloney.

Depends on him really if he is patient and wants to play with mates. He will get plenty of chances with origin and our yearly injury crisis. It is only 12 months then he can be 5/8th from then on