Jarryd Hayne to the NFL!

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Cross code have been enforceable since Johns re-signed with League when he was close to joining Union. Don't know if it stretches to NFL. I know it does for AFL.

It sure as hell stopped SBW until he got his clearance. It's obviously trickier when the person seeks employment in another country, but if it's clearly incompatible employment (i.e. playing football of some sort) and it's a country that that respects contract law, you can make it pretty difficult for a high profile individual to just 'do what they want'.

 

[bartman]

Cross code have been enforceable since Johns re-signed with League when he was close to joining Union. Don't know if it stretches to NFL. I know it does for AFL.

So maybe only other "competitor" codes in Australia... which wouldn't include A-League (different time of year) either?

No way imo the club had any way of preventing this, unless it predicted Jarryd's decision by three years and got it included at the start of his contract.

Think of it if you worked for a company on a fixed term deal. You leave one-third earlier than planned, to do something completely different (e.g. run a pub), and make no claim on the contract money for the time you will no longer be working for the company. Unless it's to a competitor company, they just shake your hand and let you walk.

 

[Jake the snake]

Can't believe the club lied to us. I feel betrayed.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

But Barry, mid-contract and about to seek leave... why would Hayne sign himself up to anything binding for the future that wasn't in his original contract? If original contract was a standard issue NRL one which doesn't mention restrictions on playing other sports outside of Australia etc (the loophole Sonny Bill tried to exploit), why would Hayne agree for conditions to be inserted in exchange for his release?

If Hayne simply said "I want out of my 2015 contract, and I don't want any of the applicable payments, and if you don't agree I'll just walk away" - just like Gorden Tallis - what recourse do we have other than not to pay him the payments that he didn't want anyway?

That's a different issue to the one I was replying to.

You can't force specific performance in a labour contract. But (if the contract is still 'live') you can seek an injunction to stop them from engaging in incompatible employment. Whether a court grants that injunction depends on where that court is located, and (as you say) the precise formulation of the contract the bloke is trying to walk away from.

Someone in JH's position might well agree to future restriction on his rights if it makes his short-term plans a lot easier to implement.

 

[bartman]

It sure as hell stopped SBW until he got his clearance. It's obviously trickier when the person seeks employment in another country, but if it's clearly incompatible employment (i.e. playing football of some sort) and it's a country that that respects contract law, you can make it pretty difficult for a high profile individual to just 'do what they want'.

Hmmm. Would it be worth the investment (time and money) in stopping Jarryd do what he wants, when the alternative still sees him having a sook, sittuing out the season like Tallis, and refusing to turn up and play for us anyway?

I said at the time of Hayne's first announcement that his quotes read like he sick of rugby league and nothing would drag him back to play another game. That's why it was so easy for him to say he'd never play against the Eels etc. Contract law is fascinating, but I'm not sure the NRL contracts are tight enough to stop people the choice of sitting out for no payments, or to stop people trialling (which is all he is doing this year) in another industry overseas?

 

[bartman]

That's a different issue to the one I was replying to.

You can't force specific performance in a labour contract. But (if the contract is still 'live') you can seek an injunction to stop them from engaging in incompatible employment. Whether a court grants that injunction depends on where that court is located, and (as you say) the precise formulation of the contract the bloke is trying to walk away from.

Someone in JH's position might well agree to future restriction on his rights if it makes his short-term plans a lot easier to implement.

Fair enough.

I guess I'm saying it seemed fairly obvious earlier in the year that Hayne didn't have to agree to future restrictions to do what he has chosen to do.... I think it sucks that a greater period of notice in this situation didn't apply, but given that it didn't we can probably conclude that the contract didn't cover the eventuality of NFL being incompatible (because had tried it in this fashion before).

For the oldies, I think Mark Harris went to the US to be a gridiron punter, but suspect he did the "right thing" and went over at the end of his rugby league contract?

 

[bartman]

Can't believe the club lied to us. I feel betrayed.

:lol:

Sack the Board again, eh Jake? :roll:

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Hmmm. Would it be worth the investment (time and money) in stopping Jarryd do what he wants, when the alternative still sees him having a sook, sittuing out the season like Tallis, and refusing to turn up and play for us anyway?

I said at the time of Hayne's first announcement that his quotes read like he sick of rugby league and nothing would drag him back to play another game. That's why it was so easy for him to say he'd never play against the Eels etc. Contract law is fascinating, but I'm not sure the NRL contracts are tight enough to stop people the choice of sitting out for no payments, or to stop people trialling (which is all he is doing this year) in another industry overseas?

I'm not talking about what we did, or should have done. Just what was possible.

Most terms of contracts are never tested in court. The simple threat that they may be enforced is usually sufficient to induce one or both parties to give ground. If the bloke wants to go, and he is not going to your direct competitors, get whatever deal you can and shake hands.

 

[bartman]

Yeah, I think it's more to Aveneger that I'm attempting to explain why we didn't do what he feels we should have done.

All water under the bridge now... since Hayne's never. coming. back.

 

[The Colonel]

Sorry mate, That's just not true. By agreeing to waive the rest of his obligations under his contract (i.e. 2015 playing services), we are providing consideration for the subsequent agreement (i.e. whatever we agreed regarding his rights if he returned to the NRL). There's absolutely no legal impediment to an agreement that gave us first option on his services for say, 5 years. We can't simply prevent him from playing elsewhere....we'd have to be in a position to sign him ourselves. Not saying we did all of this, but it is simply not true that an agreement spanning beyond 2015 would be unenforceable.

As I see it;

He had a contract with us for 2015.

He asked to fulfil a "dream" of playing in the NFL and wanted to do it now rather than wait twelve months.

Yes, we could have asked for consideration if he was to return.

The club has now said that there was no such deal in place should he come back to the NRL. They have also stated that they had left salary cap space for this season in case he was to return suggesting they would have held him to his obligation of the 2015 contract. Beyond 2016 as you have stated we can't hold him to anything unless agreed to which the club have now stated never happened.
Canterbury enforced the length of the deal with SBW. We did the same with Lyon where he had to go to England to play. As there was no agreement for 2016 in place outside of negotiations apparently taking place then this year was the only year we may have been able to hold under obligation.

 

[Suitman]

As it is, I don't think he'll play league again. If his NFL contract ends early, he'll head to Japanese Union for a late career financial boost.

Yes, and you'd know what Jarryd is going to do.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

As I see it;

He had a contract with us for 2015.

He asked to fulfil a "dream" of playing in the NFL and wanted to do it now rather than wait twelve months.

Yes, we could have asked for consideration if he was to return.

The club has now said that there was no such deal in place should he come back to the NRL. They have also stated that they had left salary cap space for this season in case he was to return suggesting they would have held him to his obligation of the 2015 contract. Beyond 2016 as you have stated we can't hold him to anything unless agreed to which the club have now stated never happened.
Canterbury enforced the length of the deal with SBW. We did the same with Lyon where he had to go to England to play. As there was no agreement for 2016 in place outside of negotiations apparently taking place then this year was the only year we may have been able to hold under obligation.

I'm saying that agreeing to release him was, in itself, consideration. We've given it.

But doesn't matter anyway. Hope he does well.

 

[Jake the snake]

It seems everyone including I were duped to think we had some legal obligation to retain him should he come back. This makes me very angry now. Don't say "Lifetime Contract" if it's bullshit and let Hayne make out that it will only be with the Eels if it is all just talk.

We basically don't have a leg to stand on if another club want him in 2016 and beyond and he decides to go.

f**king amateur hour. I would have only released him with a clause. f**king dopes!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey mate, in all seriousness how does this club let him go? If they didn't have a clause of sort, then why? Is it because we could not Organise for third party agreements owed to be paid? Hence he may of came to us and said release me or I'll go public.

Either way we've been lied to in a massive way.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Hey mate, in all seriousness how does this club let him go? If they didn't have a clause of sort, then why? Is it because we could not Organise for third party agreements owed to be paid? Hence he may of came to us and said release me or I'll go public.

Either way we've been lied to in a massive way.

Well, if that's the case....the club are not allowed to guarantee them (if they are outside the cap).

 

[Jodeci]

As I see it;

The club has now said that there was no such deal in place should he come back to the NRL. They have also stated that they had left salary cap space for this season in case he was to return suggesting they would have held him to his obligation of the 2015 contract. Beyond 2016 as you have stated we can't hold him to anything unless agreed to which the club have now stated never happened.

How long have I been saying this for?

Except the "left salary cap space for this season" bit

There was outstanding money owing to him from the 2014 season, part of his release was that the money owing from his 2014 season (3rd party that the club agreed to find) would come out of the 2015 salary cap. Club can't just write him a cheque, it's not that simple.

 

[Jodeci]

Well, if that's the case....the club are not allowed to guarantee them (if they are outside the cap).

Barry, Hayne's last deal had 4 parts to it:

1. Standard Salary Cap Money
2. Marquee Salary Cap Money
3. 3rd party organised by the club
4. 3rd party organised by Beavis (Rebel, Nike, etc)

If people think the club doesn't provide 3rd party arrangements for players, you are completely wrong. Whether it says in the NRL Salary Cap rules or not, every club does it providing it's not a sponsor of the club or a rival of the NRL sponsors.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

Jarreds best physical years are now being spent trying to learn Grid Iron. In 3 or 4 years and thats if he comes back after that time, he won't be the same. He dont love League man and you need heart to be great at League.

 

[Avenger]

Hey mate, in all seriousness how does this club let him go? If they didn't have a clause of sort, then why? Is it because we could not Organise for third party agreements owed to be paid? Hence he may of came to us and said release me or I'll go public.

Either way we've been lied to in a massive way.

How long have I been saying this for?

Except the "left salary cap space for this season" bit

There was outstanding money owing to him from the 2014 season, part of his release was that the money owing from his 2014 season (3rd party that the club agreed to find) would come out of the 2015 salary cap. Club can't just write him a cheque, it's not that simple.

I think Jodeci just answered your question.

 

[Jake the snake]

How long have I been saying this for?

Except the "left salary cap space for this season" bit

There was outstanding money owing to him from the 2014 season, part of his release was that the money owing from his 2014 season (3rd party that the club agreed to find) would come out of the 2015 salary cap. Club can't just write him a cheque, it's not that simple.

Wow just WOW.

 

[I bleed blue & gold]

JARRYD Hayne is back in town for a short break from his NFL trials at the San Francisco 49ers.

And guess what loan car he is driving … a Toyota Kluger courtesy of Sydney Roosters supremo and car dealer king Nick Politis.

This is a huge pointer to where Hayne will finish up if he doesn’t make the NFL.

Roger Tuivasa-Sheck is off to the New Zealand Warriors, leaving the Roosters without a recognised No 1.

They are also releasing five-eighth James Maloney that would free up the funds for Hayne.

Politis is very close to Hayne’s veteran agent Wayne Beavis.

The Roosters crowds and membership have fallen since the departure of Sonny Bill Williams and the retirement of the great Anthony Minichiello.
Jarryd Hayne is in Australia for five weeks

Hayne would change all that in a flash. He is still NSW’s most marketable player.

He is an excitement machine who gets people out of their lounge rooms and off to the football.

Politis knows that. It’s why he hired Brad Fittler all those years ago. And Sonny Bill and so many other big-name turnstile clickers.

Hayne’s former club Parramatta are not in a position to make an offer because of their well-documented salary cap problems.

It leaves the Roosters in the box seat.

Don’t be surprised if we see the Kluger in the carpark at Allianz Stadium in 2016 if the NFL dream falls over.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...man-nick-politis/story-fni3gn3s-1227397379103