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Jarryd Hayne to the NFL!

Will Jarryd Hayyne make it in the NFL?


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oldmancraigy

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I used Iraq Kuwait as an example of a non religious based war. It was over greed (oil) mainly.

Same goes with Ukraine. This time it's about former Russian separatists. Not officially at war however they are still shooting at each other. Open to interpretation really.

Korea, Vietnam, American Civil war etc wars had zip to do with religion.

Given that 9/10 people in the world believe in SOMETHING religious, and that people of the same religion tend to bear with each other more readily than with those of a different religion, it is probably possible to blame it for just about any spat isn't it?

Surely most wars are about opportunism, and if they need to dress it up in a sexy fashion to get support, then sure, why not.
 

WaznTheGreat

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Its funny that if you believe in ghosts and aliens your a nutjob who should seek medical help but if you believe that Wazn created the world in 6 days you're normal

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mull

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To all those questioning the existence of God, the fact it is very probable the universe had a beginning, add to this the many laws that seem to govern physics from the micro to macro level with particles that both have no right, in knowing how to exist or in anyway interact with each other. The many miracles and complexity in the most simplest forms of life. Shortfalls of evolution, many examples of problems like wings that cant fly continually evolving for flight though being a disadvantage at an eraly stage etc etc. lack of transitional fossils.

Im guessing there is a far chance that God does exist.

Then there is an historic account of Gods interaction with man and Israel. Prophecies of a coming messiah, his suffering and even the date at which he will come. Detailed eyewitness accounts of Jesus seen in the New Testament Gospels of Christ. Eyewitness accounts of his miracles, crucifixion and resurrection. Compared to any other Historic texts, if you discount these then you seriously cant believe any.
If you don’t believe you don’t believe but there is genuine reason to do so.
 

ash411

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To all those questioning the existence of God, the fact it is very probable the universe had a beginning, add to this the many laws that seem to govern physics from the micro to macro level with particles that both have no right, in knowing how to exist or in anyway interact with each other. The many miracles and complexity in the most simplest forms of life. Shortfalls of evolution, many examples of problems like wings that cant fly continually evolving for flight though being a disadvantage at an eraly stage etc etc. lack of transitional fossils.

Im guessing there is a far chance that God does exist.

Then there is an historic account of Gods interaction with man and Israel. Prophecies of a coming messiah, his suffering and even the date at which he will come. Detailed eyewitness accounts of Jesus seen in the New Testament Gospels of Christ. Eyewitness accounts of his miracles, crucifixion and resurrection. Compared to any other Historic texts, if you discount these then you seriously cant believe any.
If you don?t believe you don?t believe but there is genuine reason to do so.

By this logic, in 2000 years from now, people will believe that Vampires walked the earth and fell in love with Kristen Stewart and sparkled when the sunlight hit them.

You're talking about a book of stories that has been edited and re-edited and translated from language to language for over a thousand years.

To base your religion on a book like that, is down right crazy.

I am one of those people that, while I do not specifically believe in God as you know Him, I don't believe that there isn't necessarily something out there that is bigger than us, although I prefer to think of it more like an overall presence rather than a supreme being.

I also believe that religion is a bad idea. nothing good comes from having a set of beliefs that are absolutely rigid written in a time when we weren't even aware that the earth was round.

I have no problem in people believing what they believe, if that works for you, wonderful. Imposing those beliefs on everyone? Wrong.

The fact that religion that been influencing law and govt for as long as we can remember is the reason why we've been in such a repressive society for so long.
 
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To all those questioning the existence of God, the fact it is very probable the universe had a beginning, add to this the many laws that seem to govern physics from the micro to macro level with particles that both have no right, in knowing how to exist or in anyway interact with each other. The many miracles and complexity in the most simplest forms of life. Shortfalls of evolution, many examples of problems like wings that cant fly continually evolving for flight though being a disadvantage at an eraly stage etc etc. lack of transitional fossils.

Im guessing there is a far chance that God does exist.

Then there is an historic account of Gods interaction with man and Israel. Prophecies of a coming messiah, his suffering and even the date at which he will come. Detailed eyewitness accounts of Jesus seen in the New Testament Gospels of Christ. Eyewitness accounts of his miracles, crucifixion and resurrection. Compared to any other Historic texts, if you discount these then you seriously cant believe any.
If you don?t believe you don?t believe but there is genuine reason to do so.

You mean those accounts written 50-80 years after Christ's death? To each their own though. I find the history of Christianity quite fascinating regardless of whether or not the bloke was the son of God. He was a decent chap, and encouraged others to do decent things. Good enough for me.
 

ash411

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You mean those accounts written 50-80 years after Christ's death? To each their own though. I find the history of Christianity quite fascinating regardless of whether or not the bloke was the son of God. He was a decent chap, and encouraged others to do decent things. Good enough for me.

Here's something that'll fry your brain..

Assuming Jesus was the son of God, and was resurrected to be by his side, to one day return to earth, How many times during the middle ages could he have potentially come back only to be tortured and killed as a heretic by the very people that worship him?
 

whall15

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To all those questioning the existence of God, the fact it is very probable the universe had a beginning, add to this the many laws that seem to govern physics from the micro to macro level with particles that both have no right, in knowing how to exist or in anyway interact with each other. The many miracles and complexity in the most simplest forms of life. Shortfalls of evolution, many examples of problems like wings that cant fly continually evolving for flight though being a disadvantage at an eraly stage etc etc. lack of transitional fossils.

Im guessing there is a far chance that God does exist.

Then there is an historic account of Gods interaction with man and Israel. Prophecies of a coming messiah, his suffering and even the date at which he will come. Detailed eyewitness accounts of Jesus seen in the New Testament Gospels of Christ. Eyewitness accounts of his miracles, crucifixion and resurrection. Compared to any other Historic texts, if you discount these then you seriously cant believe any.
If you don?t believe you don?t believe but there is genuine reason to do so.

Oh dear this is going to be a long post because you have compacted a wide array of stupidity into two paragraphs and a line.

Your presupposition of a god based on the fact that there had to be a beginning and that implicitly something cannot come from nothing and that therefore there had to be a creator god is a blatant logical fallacy. This is because the very god in question would therefore logically have to be created, creating an endless, infinite line of gods creating each other that eventually culminates in our universe. This logical fallacy is further demonstrated through your claim that the complexity of the universe is indicative of a creator god because it could not have eventuated in any other way. This is because to follow that to its logical conclusion, such a creator god would have to be infinitely more complex than any of its creations meaning that the only way such a god could come about would be through the creative influence of another god, again creating an endless cycle of gods. I'm not going to address the points about the 'right to exist' and 'miracles' because these presuppose a supernaturalist worldview.

On your point that there are shortfalls of evolution I can't address your first point because it is rather vague but to suggest that there is a lack of transitional fossils is quite frankly ridiculous. One of the foundational principles of the theory of evolution is that all species are in a continual process of evolution meaning that every single fossil is transitional. Therefore to say that there is a lack of transitional fossils means that you are either ignorant on the subject or are just being disingenuous. Also, to link this with your later point of eyewitness evidence, there is also plenty of observable evidence of evolution, both through the continual changes of viruses as well as some examples of animals which have been introduced into new areas of the world and have significantly adapted to their new environment. If you are of the view that many Christians hold that this is simply 'micro-evolution' and that there is no evidence of 'macro-evolution' because it hasn't been directly observed I would contend that this view is simply ridiculous as it is not hard to follow a logical progression that if small changes can occur over small periods of time that large changes can occur over large periods of time.

Now on to your assertion that there is a historical record of 'God's' interaction between God and man, specifically in the ancient state of Israel. Your retconned prophesies of Jesus are pure historical revisionism and there was no view at the time by the Jews that Jesus was coming based on such 'prophesy'.

I'll now address the alleged 'prophesy' of Jesus that I'm most familiar with, that Yahweh allegedly commanding Abraham to sacrifice his own son, Isaac was somehow symbolic of Yahweh himself making the future sacrifice of Jesus. In an area before modern medicine, the son in question, Isaac was born to a 90 year old woman who was up to that point, barren and was impregnated by a 100 year old man Abraham. Isaac went on to live until the ripe old age of 180. I believe that this is all that is needed to disprove that little story as it is self-evidently wrong.

Now onto these alleged eyewitness accounts of Jesus and the miracles that he performed. Just as an aside, I'll throw in the fact that the gospel accounts are wildly contradictory, including those of perhaps the greatest miracle the resurrection. Additionally, there are no contemporary non-canonical records of a resurrection, I believe that if a convicted terrorist was executed and somehow magically returned to life that some historians would have bothered to have recorded it. Furthermore, the other great miracle of Jesus, that he was conceived not sexually but by interdimensional IVF by a deity has zero eyewitness accounts as to my knowledge there is no record that any test was performed to see whether Mary's hymen was intact for example.
 

Kornstar

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Oh dear this is going to be a long post because you have compacted a wide array of stupidity into two paragraphs and a line.

Your presupposition of a god based on the fact that there had to be a beginning and that implicitly something cannot come from nothing and that therefore there had to be a creator god is a blatant logical fallacy. This is because the very god in question would therefore logically have to be created, creating an endless, infinite line of gods creating each other that eventually culminates in our universe. This logical fallacy is further demonstrated through your claim that the complexity of the universe is indicative of a creator god because it could not have eventuated in any other way. This is because to follow that to its logical conclusion, such a creator god would have to be infinitely more complex than any of its creations meaning that the only way such a god could come about would be through the creative influence of another god, again creating an endless cycle of gods. I'm not going to address the points about the 'right to exist' and 'miracles' because these presuppose a supernaturalist worldview.

On your point that there are shortfalls of evolution I can't address your first point because it is rather vague but to suggest that there is a lack of transitional fossils is quite frankly ridiculous. One of the foundational principles of the theory of evolution is that all species are in a continual process of evolution meaning that every single fossil is transitional. Therefore to say that there is a lack of transitional fossils means that you are either ignorant on the subject or are just being disingenuous. Also, to link this with your later point of eyewitness evidence, there is also plenty of observable evidence of evolution, both through the continual changes of viruses as well as some examples of animals which have been introduced into new areas of the world and have significantly adapted to their new environment. If you are of the view that many Christians hold that this is simply 'micro-evolution' and that there is no evidence of 'macro-evolution' because it hasn't been directly observed I would contend that this view is simply ridiculous as it is not hard to follow a logical progression that if small changes can occur over small periods of time that large changes can occur over large periods of time.

Now on to your assertion that there is a historical record of 'God's' interaction between God and man, specifically in the ancient state of Israel. Your retconned prophesies of Jesus are pure historical revisionism and there was no view at the time by the Jews that Jesus was coming based on such 'prophesy'.

I'll now address the alleged 'prophesy' of Jesus that I'm most familiar with, that Yahweh allegedly commanding Abraham to sacrifice his own son, Isaac was somehow symbolic of Yahweh himself making the future sacrifice of Jesus. In an area before modern medicine, the son in question, Isaac was born to a 90 year old woman who was up to that point, barren and was impregnated by a 100 year old man Abraham. Isaac went on to live until the ripe old age of 180. I believe that this is all that is needed to disprove that little story as it is self-evidently wrong.

Now onto these alleged eyewitness accounts of Jesus and the miracles that he performed. Just as an aside, I'll throw in the fact that the gospel accounts are wildly contradictory, including those of perhaps the greatest miracle the resurrection. Additionally, there are no contemporary non-canonical records of a resurrection, I believe that if a convicted terrorist was executed and somehow magically returned to life that some historians would have bothered to have recorded it. Furthermore, the other great miracle of Jesus, that he was conceived not sexually but by interdimensional IVF by a deity has zero eyewitness accounts as to my knowledge there is no record that any test was performed to see whether Mary's hymen was intact for example.

If there was a standing ovation emoticon I would be using it here.

I'll just use this :clap: instead
 

crocodile

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The bible is a bit like those software license agreements. Most just scroll down to the end and click the 'accept' button.
 
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I think the fact that anything exists at all, let alone the world as we know it, is too extraordinary to be dismissed as a mere accident. As for bible stories, that's a different question. I don't think there's any chance of reasoning 'god', you just gotta feel it.
 

T.S Quint

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Casper The Ghost

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By this logic, in 2000 years from now, people will believe that Vampires walked the earth and fell in love with Kristen Stewart and sparkled when the sunlight hit them.

You're talking about a book of stories that has been edited and re-edited and translated from language to language for over a thousand years.

To base your religion on a book like that, is down right crazy.

I am one of those people that, while I do not specifically believe in God as you know Him, I don't believe that there isn't necessarily something out there that is bigger than us, although I prefer to think of it more like an overall presence rather than a supreme being.

I also believe that religion is a bad idea. nothing good comes from having a set of beliefs that are absolutely rigid written in a time when we weren't even aware that the earth was round.

I have no problem in people believing what they believe, if that works for you, wonderful. Imposing those beliefs on everyone? Wrong.

The fact that religion that been influencing law and govt for as long as we can remember is the reason why we've been in such a repressive society for so long.

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