Jarryd Hayne to the NFL!

[oldmancraigy]

If Hayne plyed like he did in 2014 for the next 4 years he would be the best player ever.
I mean Ben Barba and Benji had amazing years as well.

I reckon the 2009 Hayne was the 'best ever RL performance' by an individual. I mean, 34 linebreaks in a season? Are you kidding? (Barba's amazing season was 22 linebreaks)
The 2010 Hayne was amazing in the way Barba and Benji were amazing.
The 2014 Hayne was amazing in a level above Barba and Benji (ie, did it on both sides of the ball) - close to 2009 form.

What he produced from the FB spot in 2007 and 2008 was also pretty amazing, I won't forget the Broncos game, where the ball was passed back inside to him, a bit low, so he used his knee to tap it into the air so he could catch it safely. Wow.

 

[Jake the snake]

I reckon the 2009 Hayne was the 'best ever RL performance' by an individual. I mean, 34 linebreaks in a season? Are you kidding? (Barba's amazing season was 22 linebreaks)
The 2010 Hayne was amazing in the way Barba and Benji were amazing.
The 2014 Hayne was amazing in a level above Barba and Benji (ie, did it on both sides of the ball) - close to 2009 form.

What he produced from the FB spot in 2007 and 2008 was also pretty amazing, I won't forget the Broncos game, where the ball was passed back inside to him, a bit low, so he used his knee to tap it into the air so he could catch it safely. Wow.

Yep I was there for that broncos game!! Brilliant.

 

[Eelementary]

Lockyer blew chunks the first few years he played at 5/8, and he was 27 when he moved there. It wasn't until a few years after moving to that new position that he settled in and became a clutch player.

At 26, Hayne is already a clutch player for an average Eels side, an ordinary NSW side, and the best player at the recent World Cup playing out of position.

He is simply not a mere mortal.

 

[hindy111]

It took lockyer half a year to be decent at 5/8 and a year to be brilliant.

All these hayne moment use are talking about are flashes of brilliance.Im talking about effective output to win gams and make finals.I agree Hayne could do everything and more than Johns or Lockyer. Thou his kicking game wasn't anywhere near theres.
The thing they did was they controlled the game and the team.They used there weapons and steered them around.A lot of the great players they played with looked good cause of them.
Hayne is the weapon.He dosent make other players look good. There are things on the footy field hayne can do that know one else could.Just like Benji who in his peak form and on his day was majic as well. But there not quite the same as the fitlers and the thurstons and the johns. Too many games Hayne was shut down and non existant in a game. There where even large periods in 2014 where me and a few friends would say its like teams are starting too work Hayne out and how Parra are using him which was the two pases wide and getting hayne on the overlap one on one.
Im not dishing on Hayne.He was my Hero.But people make out he was the messiah. We will be a better team for it IMO. Lets get behind Hoppa and see how good this kid can be.

 

[hindy111]

If you prefer Hayne Highlights rather the premierships thou than he is the best guy that has played rugby league for sure!

 

[Poupou Escobar]

It took lockyer half a year to be decent at 5/8 and a year to be brilliant.

All these hayne moment use are talking about are flashes of brilliance.Im talking about effective output to win gams and make finals.I agree Hayne could do everything and more than Johns or Lockyer. Thou his kicking game wasn't anywhere near theres.
The thing they did was they controlled the game and the team.They used there weapons and steered them around.A lot of the great players they played with looked good cause of them.
Hayne is the weapon.He dosent make other players look good. There are things on the footy field hayne can do that know one else could.Just like Benji who in his peak form and on his day was majic as well. But there not quite the same as the fitlers and the thurstons and the johns. Too many games Hayne was shut down and non existant in a game. There where even large periods in 2014 where me and a few friends would say its like teams are starting too work Hayne out and how Parra are using him which was the two pases wide and getting hayne on the overlap one on one.
Im not dishing on Hayne.He was my Hero.But people make out he was the messiah. We will be a better team for it IMO. Lets get behind Hoppa and see how good this kid can be.

Lockyer and Johns played in teams full of rep players. When you compare their achievements in the Origin arena Hayne stood out as much as either of them. And he played Origin at a time when Queensland had the majority of the Aussie team.

 

[Eelementary]

It took lockyer half a year to be decent at 5/8 and a year to be brilliant.

All these hayne moment use are talking about are flashes of brilliance.Im talking about effective output to win gams and make finals.I agree Hayne could do everything and more than Johns or Lockyer. Thou his kicking game wasn't anywhere near theres.
The thing they did was they controlled the game and the team.They used there weapons and steered them around.A lot of the great players they played with looked good cause of them.
Hayne is the weapon.He dosent make other players look good. There are things on the footy field hayne can do that know one else could.Just like Benji who in his peak form and on his day was majic as well. But there not quite the same as the fitlers and the thurstons and the johns. Too many games Hayne was shut down and non existant in a game. There where even large periods in 2014 where me and a few friends would say its like teams are starting too work Hayne out and how Parra are using him which was the two pases wide and getting hayne on the overlap one on one.
Im not dishing on Hayne.He was my Hero.But people make out he was the messiah. We will be a better team for it IMO. Lets get behind Hoppa and see how good this kid can be.

I don't know about that - Hayne was able to make our average wingers look good.

 

[Someone]

Yeah I must have forgotten how rubbish they were:

1. O'Davis - 12 Origins
2. Tahu - 12 Origins
3. Gidley - 11 Origins
4. Hughes - 3 Origins
5. MacDougall - 11 Origins
6. Rudder
7. Johns - 23 Origins
8. Perry - 3 Origins
9. Buderus - 21 Origins
10. Parsons
11. Simpson - 13 Origins
12. Kennedy - 13 Origins
13. Peden
14. Marquet
15. O'Brien
16. Grief
17. Abraham

Well every team that wins competitions has representative players. But, at that time in 2001, origins and tests that they actually played were far less then what you are saying. For instance Buderus never made his SOO debut until 2002. Kennedy was at Manly when he played a fair chunk of his SOO etc.

Knights weren't a 'rubbish' side by any means, il admit I was wrong there, but by comparison to most teams that have won the grand final they are certainly on the weaker side. Have a close look at teams of recent winners like roosters (2002,2013), Manly (2011), Storm (2009), Rabbitohs (2014). All very strong teams.

It is just in my opinion that Joey won it for them in that day.

 

[T.S Quint]

Of course Hayne was going to have flashes of brilliance without controlling a game - he was a fullback!
Lockyer and Nohns were halves. They were supposed to control the game. Hayne's job was to have flashes of brilliance.
I reckon if Hayne had stayed in and moved to the halves he could have done what both Locky and Johns did. They are probably the three best players I have ever seen.

 

[T.S Quint]

Well every team that wins competitions has representative players. But, at that time in 2001, origins and tests that they actually played were far less then what you are saying. For instance Buderus never made his SOO debut until 2002. Kennedy was at Manly when he played a fair chunk of his SOO etc.

Knights weren't a 'rubbish' side by any means, il admit I was wrong there, but by comparison to most teams that have won the grand final they are certainly on the weaker side. Have a close look at teams of recent winners like roosters (2002,2013), Manly (2011), Storm (2009), Rabbitohs (2014). All very strong teams.

It is just in my opinion that Joey won it for them in that day.

Joey did win it for them that day. His kicking game was superb.
But to say he did it in his own is garbage. He had plenty of help, especially from his forwards. Ben Kennedy would have been pretty close to picking up the CC Medal himself.

It's like when people say that we only got to the GF in 2009 because of Hayne. Undoubtedly he was the catalyst for a lot of our wins, but to discount the efforts of Moimoi, Grothe, Kingston, Gulavou, Hindmarsh, Cayless and Mateo is just wrong. Even Mortimer, Robson, Reddy, Keating...the whole damn team just played so well in that run in the second half if the season. Putting it all in Hayne is just disrespectful to them, and I'm sure Hayne would say the same.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Well every team that wins competitions has representative players. But, at that time in 2001, origins and tests that they actually played were far less then what you are saying. For instance Buderus never made his SOO debut until 2002. Kennedy was at Manly when he played a fair chunk of his SOO etc.
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Fair enough, but they were quality players bound for rep duties. Kennedy played the majority of his SOO games while at the Knights.

Now looking at the eels side of 2009 apart from hayne no one has gone on to be a regular rep player after 2009 (Hindy career was basically over by then)

 

[Someone]

Fair enough, but they were quality players bound for rep duties. Kennedy played the majority of his SOO games while at the Knights.

Now looking at the eels side of 2009 apart from hayne no one has gone on to be a regular rep player after 2009 (Hindy career was basically over by then)

True, we came within 7 points of the 'team of the decade' , which of course was over the cap, with Robson, Mortimer and Keating in the spine.

That's not to say, as someone else has already said, Hayne did it on his own. He had plenty of help in 2009 but our side was still very ordinary by NRL standards. Just one of those cases of the game isn't played on paper.

Comparing the two is impossible, I am just of the opinion that Joey was a better and more complete player, and the fact he won two grand finals and was instrumental in one of them helps me believe that. I understand that opinion wont be favoured around here.

 

[oldmancraigy]

And premierships?

Sorry guys, but to suggest Hayne was/is a better player than Johns & Lockyer is laughable.

Yeah, good point.

It is definitely nothing to do with the procession of Hagan, Anderson, Kearney, Stuart that Hayne didn't get a premiership. It is solely because Johns and Lockyer are a 'class above'.
Thanks for stopping by and enlightening us with your supreme understanding of league. Well done.

Give Joey or Lockyer Hayne's teammates and those coaches, and they don't even make the playoffs, let alone win 50% of the games they played (Hayne's record at FB with those teams).

Oh, and was there a legal team that beat Parra in the finals in 2009? I can't think of any team in the history books that beat the Eels in the semi's that year.
Just because Gallop was too gutless to award premierships to Manly and Parra doesn't mean they weren't the best legal teams those years.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Actually between 2006 and 2009 we played eight finals matches for five wins and three losses. All three losses were against the Storm, who were cheating the entire time.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

I don't know about you merkins, but I made my own Premiership medals out of those gold covered chocolate coins that you get at Easter. They looked pretty good on old Parra jersey (although some mice ate a bit of one of them).

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

I don't know about you merkins, but I made my own Premiership medals out of those gold covered chocolate coins that you get at Easter. They looked pretty good on old Parra jersey (although some mice ate a bit of one of them).

Pretty sure my local supermarket sells them all the time. I might buy some, add some laxatives, and send them to all those hurting Storm players who so badly miss their premiership rings.

 

[lingard]

I said Hayne is the most complete player I have ever seen. I never watched Bozo.

And I'm not sure why leadership and captaincy keeps getting brought up as markers of a good player.

Tell you what - if anyone can name a player who won NSW's Player Of The Series award, while playing on the wing, being starved of the ball and playing for a side that kept losing, and whose name isn't Jarryd Hayne, then I'll concede there were better players than him.

Don't get me wrong, I love Jarryd Hayne. I'm just saying he's not the best player I've ever seen. But he's very likely the best player of recent times. For instance, he shits all over Andrew Johns, Cameron Smith, Billy Slater, Greg Inglis, etc. (In my opinion).

 

[lingard]

I said Hayne is the most complete player I have ever seen. I never watched Bozo.

And I'm not sure why leadership and captaincy keeps getting brought up as markers of a good player.

Tell you what - if anyone can name a player who won NSW's Player Of The Series award, while playing on the wing, being starved of the ball and playing for a side that kept losing, and whose name isn't Jarryd Hayne, then I'll concede there were better players than him.

You're right. Leadership and Captaincy is irrelevant here. So is the fact that Fulton became a coach. I'm just comparing the on-field performances of the two. And I'll have to be fair - Fulton did play in better sides than Hayne, and played mostly five-eight and inside centre, so he was closer to the action. It's just my opinion, that's all. It doesn't really mean very much. Gee, Hayne and Fulton in the same side would have been something to behold!

 

[lingard]

Joey did win it for them that day. His kicking game was superb.
But to say he did it in his own is garbage. He had plenty of help, especially from his forwards. Ben Kennedy would have been pretty close to picking up the CC Medal himself.

It's like when people say that we only got to the GF in 2009 because of Hayne. Undoubtedly he was the catalyst for a lot of our wins, but to discount the efforts of Moimoi, Grothe, Kingston, Gulavou, Hindmarsh, Cayless and Mateo is just wrong. Even Mortimer, Robson, Reddy, Keating...the whole damn team just played so well in that run in the second half if the season. Putting it all in Hayne is just disrespectful to them, and I'm sure Hayne would say the same.

Couldn't agree more. It is possible that Hayne inspired his team-mates to greater heights, but it was far from a one-man show. To keep banging on about how Hayne did it on his own is also very disrespectful to Daniel Anderson.

 

[El Diablo]

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/eels-begin-to-dream-of-a-life-after-jarryd-hayne-20141220-12bise.html

Eels begin to dream of a life after Jarryd Hayne

Date
December 20, 2014 - 9:43PM

Michael Carayannis and Michael Chammas

Parramatta Eels boss Scott Seward will meet with NRL chief executive Dave Smith early in the new year to discuss the logistics of life after Jarryd Hayne. The Eels are unsure of the best way to structure their salary cap, given the uncertainty around Hayne's future. What if they fill their salary cap and Hayne decides to come home? Do they need to leave room in the salary cap just in case? These are the questions that will be asked in the meeting that could have a major impact on the club's recruitment in the next 12 months. However, given the information coming out of the US, they might not need to worry. Several NFL clubs are showing interest in the former Eels No.1. There are two paths ahead for Hayne. The most likely is that a team will sign him to a "futures" contract after this season when rosters expand from 53 to 90. That will allow him to practise with a team for the entire off-season and try to prove himself to earn a spot when the roster is cut back to 53 in August ahead of the start of the season in September. If a team wants to sign him now, which is unlikely, they'd sign him to the practice squad. A practice squad contract is a fraction of an NFL contract, but that would essentially guarantee he will sign a futures deal with the team after this season. Minimum salary this year on the 53-man roster for a first-year player is about $495,000. For a practice squad player, it's about $105,000. The Detroit Lions, one of at least three clubs Hayne has met with, have a history of taking risks and working with raw talent, having signed American rugby player Carlin Isles to a practice squad contract at this time last year, as well as a Norwegian kicker with no NFL experience to a futures deal.