Jarryd Hayne to the NFL!

[Joshuatheeel]

If hayne had stayed he would have become one of the greats of league instead of just an eels great.

He was finally being picked in his preferred position in origin and part of the leadership group. He was also becoming a certain for the Aussie team which had taken time.

He is one of the best eels I have seen and hope he doesn't have regrets in later life for leaving league or missing out on the eels first premiership in 30 years in 2016.

 

[oldmancraigy]

Don't forget skill and vision.



That's okay, he was stronger than Lockyer and faster than Johns which puts him back ahead of them. Strength and speed are more important to a rugby league player than leadership.

It's also fairly hard to judge what kind of 'leader' he was given the squads he played with....

Seemed to 'lead' NSW alright in Origin (and the young Eels squad) last season. I'm not convinced leadership has anything to do with how one talks to the referees, and everything to do with how one acts on field, and directs teammates on field.

Again, have a look at Origin, whenever NSW were busted, Hayne would put up his hand for a simple hitup - and often make 10+ meters. He did the same for the Eels, when down and under pressure, he'd take a simple run from dummy half, or one off the ruck, and invariably make meterage.

Very hard for a fullback to show 'linespeed' and therefore defensive leadership, but he never shirked the kick chase, and would often try a huge kick himself followed by an attempt at an inspirational tackle to lift his team.

No clue on what they say on the field, but the Eels win% with him playing fullback vs not playing is staggering. And the defensive record with him at FB vs him not playing is also telling.


Lockyer is regarded as a great 'leader' on the field (and rightly so) - but he's known as such for all the years he played at 5/8. Funnily enough he converted to 5/8 in the season he turned 27. Not well known for his leadership prior.
I can't think of many fullbacks that you sit back and think 'yeah, great leader'. So I'm not saying Hayne IS one of the greats in that regard, but I don't know how much more he could do and still play his position - and wonder if that should be held against him?

 

[oldmancraigy]

He is one of the best eels I have seen and hope he doesn't have regrets in later life for leaving league or missing out on the eels first premiership in 30 years in 2016.

So not confident for next year???

2yearplan??

 

[lingard]

It'd be a lot less ridiculous, merkin, if you'd spell it properly. It's one f**ken word.

#Poupou

That's even sillier.

 

[Obscene Assassin]

Lockyer couldn't have been too good, he was moved as soon as Karmichael Hunt (17 year old) was ready to play first grade.

 

[lingard]

I consider Hayne the most complete and talented footballer I have ever seen. He was phenomenal.

I was watching his highlight reel on YouTube yesterday, and though it made me smile, I was saddened by the realisation he's no longer an Eel.

Bob Fulton was a more complete footballer than Jarryd Hayne.
Fantastic in defence and attack. Great passing game, great running game, great ball-player, great short kicking game, great captain and went on to be a very successful coach. Named one of the Immortals - so I guess there were other judges who agreed with me.

 

[Eelementary]

Bob Fulton was a more complete footballer than Jarryd Hayne.
Fantastic in defence and attack. Great passing game, great running game, great ball-player, great short kicking game, great captain and went on to be a very successful coach. Named one of the Immortals - so I guess there were other judges who agreed with me.

I said Hayne is the most complete player I have ever seen. I never watched Bozo.

And I'm not sure why leadership and captaincy keeps getting brought up as markers of a good player.

Tell you what - if anyone can name a player who won NSW's Player Of The Series award, while playing on the wing, being starved of the ball and playing for a side that kept losing, and whose name isn't Jarryd Hayne, then I'll concede there were better players than him.

 

[Suitman]

I said Hayne is the most complete player I have ever seen. I never watched Bozo.

And I'm not sure why leadership and captaincy keeps getting brought up as markers of a good player.

Tell you what - if anyone can name a player who won NSW's Player Of The Series award, while playing on the wing, being starved of the ball and playing for a side that kept losing, and whose name isn't Jarryd Hayne, then I'll concede there were better players than him.

 

[God-King Dean]

And premierships?

Sorry guys, but to suggest Hayne was/is a better player than Johns & Lockyer is laughable.

 

[hindy111]

Depends if you rate moments of brilliance more than sticking to a game plan and winning a game.

Hayne had more flashes of brilliance.But with 5 mins to go and 2 points behind who would you chose to be in your team? Id say Thurston-Lockyer-Johns and fitler would come before guys like slater -Hayne or Inglis.

Beeing able to control a game-Show leadership-Pump your team mates up -carry out a game plan might seem simple but are some of the most important things in a simple game like rugby league.
Guys like Hayne -Barba-Benji-Sandow-Johnson make you want too watch footy-Guys like Smith-Thurston-Pierce-Lockyer-Fitler-Foran win you titles.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Guys like Adam Reynolds and Daniel Mortimer win titles as well. It's got f**k all to do with how good a player is and everything to do with how good his team is.

Thurston won his only premiership playing off the bench for Canterbury. I'd say he's a better player now than he was then.

 

[Someone]

Guys like Adam Reynolds and Daniel Mortimer win titles as well. It's got f**k all to do with how good a player is and everything to do with how good his team is.

Thurston won his only premiership playing off the bench for Canterbury. I'd say he's a better player now than he was then.

you must have of forgotten how rubbish that 2001 knights side was. Sean Rudder was Johns halves partner ffs.

I agree with the sediment that leadership makes a player whole. If I was to pick between Hayne and Johns being in my team, id go Johns all day. He won games and ultimately a grand final all on his own. Hayne was terrible in the 09 decider.

As for Thurston, him moving to far north Queensland has stopped him from winning a title. the travelling is too much for them. If he had of moved to the Broncos back in 05 he would have a few titles.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

you must have of forgotten how rubbish that 2001 knights side was.

Yeah I must have forgotten how rubbish they were:

1. O'Davis - 12 Origins
2. Tahu - 12 Origins
3. Gidley - 11 Origins
4. Hughes - 3 Origins
5. MacDougall - 11 Origins
6. Rudder
7. Johns - 23 Origins
8. Perry - 3 Origins
9. Buderus - 21 Origins
10. Parsons
11. Simpson - 13 Origins
12. Kennedy - 13 Origins
13. Peden
14. Marquet
15. O'Brien
16. Grief
17. Abraham

Sean Rudder was Johns halves partner ffs.

Back then plenty of teams only used one half. The 6 jersey was either filled by a back rower (e.g. Rudder) or a centre (e.g. Buettner).

I agree with the sediment that leadership makes a player whole. If I was to pick between Hayne and Johns being in my team, id go Johns all day. He won games and ultimately a grand final all on his own. Hayne was terrible in the 09 decider.

He wasn't terrible at all. He was just well marked by a team that was packed with good defenders and focused everything on him. It's what allowed Moimoi, Mateo and Grothe to play so well that day.

Anyway, I agree leadership should be a factor, but no more important than many others, and less than the basic physical requirements of speed and strength. These are the key requirements of a rugby league player, and Hayne is a lethal mix of both, plus he has supreme vision and skill. He is (was) a very smart rugby league player. The only thing he lacked was leadership, and this year he seemed on his way to solving that weakness as well.

As for Thurston, him moving to far north Queensland has stopped him from winning a title. the travelling is too much for them. If he had of moved to the Broncos back in 05 he would have a few titles.

So would Hayne.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

1. O'Davis - 12 Origins
2. Tahu - 12 Origins
3. Gidley - 11 Origins
4. Hughes - 3 Origins
5. MacDougall - 11 Origins
6. Rudder
7. Johns - 23 Origins
8. Perry - 3 Origins
9. Buderus - 21 Origins
10. Parsons
11. Simpson - 13 Origins
12. Kennedy - 13 Origins
13. Peden
14. Marquet
15. O'Brien
16. Grief
17. Abraham

Here's Hayne's best bunch of team mates by comparison:

1. Hayne - 20 Origins (by age 26)
2. Burt
3. Inu - 5 Kiwis
4. Reddy
5. Grothe - 3 Origins
6. Mortimer
7. Robson
8. Cayless - 39 Kiwis
9. Keating
10. Moimoi - 12 Kiwis
11. Hindmarsh - 17 Origins
12. Smith
13. Lowrie
14. Kingston
15. Mateo
16. Galuvao - 4 Kiwis
17. Mannah - 4 Origins (by age 26)

But the 2001 Knights side was rubbish hey?

 

[Twizzle]

And premierships?

Sorry guys, but to suggest Hayne was/is a better player than Johns & Lockyer is laughable.

You do understand that there is a big difference between team achievements and individual achievements ?

 

[Joshuatheeel]

you must have of forgotten how rubbish that 2001 knights side was. Sean Rudder was Johns halves partner ffs.

I agree with the sediment that leadership makes a player whole. If I was to pick between Hayne and Johns being in my team, id go Johns all day. He won games and ultimately a grand final all on his own. Hayne was terrible in the 09 decider.
.

Apart from what pou has said about the Knights 2001 side, don't forget Hayne was a 21 year old rookie in 2009 while Johns was 27 in 2001 with a fair bit of experience including a previous GF ( where he was 23, still older then hayne).

 

[Eelementary]

And premierships?

Sorry guys, but to suggest Hayne was/is a better player than Johns & Lockyer is laughable.

Why?

Using the "Premierships won" metric to decide who is a better player, Daniel Fitzhenry is a better player than Hayne. And I know you're a bloke who likes to troll, but even you can see the fallacy in that statement.

I don't need people to agree - it's my opinion. In terms of pure talent, Hayne was a freakish player and the best I've seen.

But as much as it sucks to lose him, as Pou said - plenty of teams have done well without him.

 

[Eelementary]

you must have of forgotten how rubbish that 2001 knights side was. Sean Rudder was Johns halves partner ffs.

I agree with the sediment that leadership makes a player whole. If I was to pick between Hayne and Johns being in my team, id go Johns all day. He won games and ultimately a grand final all on his own. Hayne was terrible in the 09 decider.

As for Thurston, him moving to far north Queensland has stopped him from winning a title. the travelling is too much for them. If he had of moved to the Broncos back in 05 he would have a few titles.

Rubbish team?

They had:

O'Davis, Tahu, Gidley, Joey, Buderus, Kennedy, Simpson...

 

[Eelementary]

Here's Hayne's best bunch of team mates by comparison:

1. Hayne - 20 Origins (by age 26)
2. Burt
3. Inu - 5 Kiwis
4. Reddy
5. Grothe - 3 Origins
6. Mortimer
7. Robson
8. Cayless - 39 Kiwis
9. Keating
10. Moimoi - 12 Kiwis
11. Hindmarsh - 17 Origins
12. Smith
13. Lowrie
14. Kingston
15. Mateo
16. Galuvao - 4 Kiwis
17. Mannah - 4 Origins (by age 26)

But the 2001 Knights side was rubbish hey?

Gee, Hayne was really lumped with some ordinary sides, wasn't he?

 

[hindy111]

If Hayne plyed like he did in 2014 for the next 4 years he would be the best player ever.
I mean Ben Barba and Benji had amazing years as well.