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Jarryd Hayne's payment trail leads to former Parramatta Eels boss Roy Spagnolo's Abdu

Avenger

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By the way, do not blame Kate McClymot for anything. She is a great old school reporter who knows her stuff.
 

Glenn

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The whole click bait is nothing more then sooking, the club has been bagged in the media for the right reasons lately. If they don't wanna be hammered do things right!!!!!

Secondly Kate MyClmont is one of if not the best and most respected investigative journo's in the business she doesn't just make things up. Finding this about Parramatta would've been the last thing on her mind as it was for the Bulldogs.

Really, so what about the supposed un named team, why weren't they named?
Either way nothing has been proven by the NRL, so Kate is supposedly more informed than the NRL?:sarcasm:
 
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This.

NRL needs to scrap third party Sponsors and make it a level playing field. Otherwise Souths, dogs, Brisbane,Melb roosters will dominate for years to come.

And how would you propose they do that?

You can't stop someone from earning income of any form outside their NRL contract.

It's not the declared TPAs that are the problem. If people are presently engaging in deals that are not reported to the NRL, how would any attempt ban such agreements work? If a player's dad gives them $50k for their 21st, is that a TPA?


*Note: TPAs from club sponsors are counted towards the cap (or the marquee allowance in the cap).
 
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Can anyone explain why our points deduction penalties are for next year and not this year? Seems like that just because we are shit this year, the NRL think penalizing us in 2015 is irrelevant
 
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Can anyone explain why our points deduction penalties are for next year and not this year? Seems like that just because we are shit this year, the NRL think penalizing us in 2015 is irrelevant

It's pretty simple. Our penalty is suspended, conditional on us meeting certain requirements, over the next few months. If they said this penalty would apply to 2015 points, and by the season it became apparent that 4 points were irrelevant....we'd have no incentive to meet the conditions imposed.
 

Parra47

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The NRL has had nothing but trouble since TPAs have been introduced.

They should just ditch them and increase the salary cap to make it a level playing field otherwise the rich clubs have a considerable advantage.

We are a rich club, it does not seem to have worked for us.
 

Twizzle

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We are a rich club, it does not seem to have worked for us.

I'm sure if we were squeaky clean, sponsors would be lining up.

With all the negativity surrounding us atm, I dont think too many sponsors would see us as a secure investment
 

T.S Quint

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Lussick just outed his brother, wonder if the NRL will keep an eye on Joey now that he's a Rooster?

Doubtful. I know it's tin foil hat like but there is most definitely one rule for some clubs and completely different for others depending on how powerful certain people are at the club.

For the people much smarter than me, the NFL has a salary cap but I never hear about cheating. Does anyone know what they do different?

Why can't the NRL have in their standard contract that if you play in the NRL they are able to investigate all earnings through the ATO?

And my thoughts on this are that if true, what a complete embarrassment that we cheat the cap and get the spoon......who would give Sandow an extra 200k to play for us? Shows how dumb and desperate the previous admin was!

I don't know much about the specifics, but I do know that player salaries are made public. Everyone knows how much each player earns in regards to their NFL contract.
Also they don't give a shit about what a player earns outside their NFL contract. A player can be sponsored by whoever he wants for how much he wants. But there is enough money in the NFL that that stuff doesn't make a difference.
There isn't enough money in the NRL for it to ignore TPAs. We need to have them and they need to be regulated somehow (obviously better than they are at the moment).
 

Kornstar

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I don't know much about the specifics, but I do know that player salaries are made public. Everyone knows how much each player earns in regards to their NFL contract.
Also they don't give a shit about what a player earns outside their NFL contract. A player can be sponsored by whoever he wants for how much he wants. But there is enough money in the NFL that that stuff doesn't make a difference.
There isn't enough money in the NRL for it to ignore TPAs. We need to have them and they need to be regulated somehow (obviously better than they are at the moment).

I knew their salaries were public, cause it blows my mind considering how secretive we are.

Maybe the NRL should be seeking out all TPA's from interested parties and then channeling them in the right direction? Sure it won't stop some cheating but if the NRL are directly regulating it then at least there are only 2 streams of incomes that a player can receive football related money from, it will be more transparent?

I don't know, it is someones job in the NRL and they need to sort it out!
 

84 Baby

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sorry, you're right, the club organized TPAs need to be registered

Still wrong sorry.

All TPAs, sponsorships, donations, etc are to be notified by the player/player's manager to the club. The club must then include that in their reporting to the NRL and request for specific TPAs to be excluded from the player's salary cap calculation.

I've changed my tune and now think we will (and if guilty should) be penalised for salary cap cheating. Whether that's monetary or points based will be up to the NRL's findings. I think under the circumstances plus what appears to have happened to the money and even worse where the money came from (although rethinking on that it is possible the player still received the money), the NRL will take a lenient view although it will be another round of ammo for them enforcing an appointed board member
 
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For the people much smarter than me, the NFL has a salary cap but I never hear about cheating. Does anyone know what they do different?


Um....teams have been fined up to $30 odd million for cap breaches. They also lose draft picks (hey, they have a draft). They just don't get docked points.

Their collective bargaining agreement guarantees a huge number of players a bloody good salary, so their player's association plays ball a bit more effectively.

Why can't the NRL have in their standard contract that if you play in the NRL they are able to investigate all earnings through the ATO?

Beause the PA won't agree to it, unless it was accompanied by a massive sweetener (like the cap was $15m) , and even if they did it may well be struck down.

Would you trust an organisation like the NRL (and all of its employees) to keep your tax return details private?
 
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I remember us having a couple of conversations about how slimy the new lot appeared to be from the very beginning, Mark, and how we were worried that the members had been hoodwinked, ala Kevin Rudd and his snake-oil salesman technique, soon after Spagnolo came into power.

Some of us could smell a rat from day one. It's a pity that there are actually still people who want Spags back, despite everything that is coming to light.

I don't know that I made the Kevin Rudd analogy, but yes we had conversations about the members being hoodwinked.

We live and we learn.

In other news, the Labor Party is now trying to shift so far right they might seen be centre right instead of centre left. VOTE GREEN or ASP.
 

Kornstar

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Um....teams have been fined up to $30 odd million for cap breaches. They also lose draft picks (hey, they have a draft). They just don't get docked points.

Their collective bargaining agreement guarantees a huge number of players a bloody good salary, so their player's association plays ball a bit more effectively.



Beause the PA won't agree to it, unless it was accompanied by a massive sweetener (like the cap was $15m) , and even if they did it may well be struck down.

Would you trust an organisation like the NRL (and all of its employees) to keep your tax return details private?

Thanks, like I said, someone much smarter than me :)

Our PA are f**king garbage anyways!

There is the privacy act and they have to work within it so if they were to get control then they would have to tighten their ship in that regard. I sign privacy shit for my job and I manage to to spill the beans to everyone what people earn.

I personally don't care if people know what i earn. I've never cared, I don't quite know why people are so protective of their salary. Of course in my line of work I respect people's privacy but my opinion is that I don't get it.
 

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http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/th...o-anything-right/story-fndujljl-1227456812574

The 6 o’clock Buzz: Can the Parramatta Eels do anything right?

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July 25, 2015 5:50PM

BUZZ Rothfield runs you through a big day of sport as well as what you can catch in tomorrow’s Sunday Telegraph.

We have an in-depth interview with Eels chairman The Plumber. The Eels are in a mess amid further allegations of salary cap misdemeanour. The Plumber says he was told by NRL salary cap auditor Jamie L’Oste Brown that the club’s salary cap situation was ‘looking good’ less than a fortnight ago.

The Plumber also tells The Sunday Telegraph that he extended a personal invitation with an ‘absolute open door policy’ to NRL chief Dave Smith and his executive team last Friday in a bid to prove the current board are intent on cleaning up the club’s salary cap dramas.
 

El Diablo

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Eels extend open door policy to NRL over salary cap situation

by: DAVID RICCIO
July 26, 2015 12:00AM

PARRAMATTA Eels chairman Steve Sharp was told by NRL salary cap auditor Jamie L’Oste Brown that the club’s salary cap situation was ‘looking good’ less than a fortnight ago.

Sharp has also revealed that he extended a personal invitation with an ‘absolute open door policy’ to NRL chief executive Dave Smith and his executive team last Friday in a bid to prove the current board are intent on cleaning up the club’s salary cap dramas.

Sharp spoke to The Sunday Telegraph and in the wake of a fresh round of investigations the NRL declared would be undertaken following reports that secret third-party payments had been paid to several Parramatta players, including NFL hopeful Jarryd Hayne.

Parramatta have already been fined $465,000 for salary cap breaches stemming from a previous administration and the club is facing the loss of competition points next season if they fail to undertake a corporate governance review by February.

The NRL and Parramatta board continue to wrangle over who should conduct the review as Sharp was at pains to declare the club had no secrets to hide — a point, he claims, was made obvious when Brown visited the club recently as part of a midyear review of all 16 NRL club’s salary cap.

Brown is yet to submit the review to the Eels in writing.

“The week before last he (Brown) came out and he went through our salary cap and said we’re ‘

looking good,’’ Sharp said.

“As far as we were aware we got a clean-bill of health with where we are at that moment.

“We’ve put processes in place now to make that salary cap 100 per cent visual.

“We’ve got a subcommittee who monitor, review the salary cap position every week.

“I’ve also invited Dave as late as Friday and his executives to come and have a look at what our situation is and how our structure works,’’ Sharp said.

“Come to a board meeting and see what our procedures are in relation to what they perceive they are.

“I’m not taking a backward step of our club being guilty of poor management practices.

“We’ve changed all our processes and systems to make the salary cap more transparent for all the officials.

“All we can do is deal with it and move forward.’’

Sharp said the club wasn’t ‘afraid’ of the threat related to beginning next season minus four competition points.

“We respect the NRL’s right to run the game and I respect Dave Smith’s right to run the game,’’ Sharp said.

“We’re certainly going to do what we’ve been asked to do and do an independent audit and look where we can put better practices in place we will.

“The threat of the four points over our head is something we’re not afraid of. It won’t come to that.

“We’ll deal with that when it comes up.

“As I said to Dave, he needs to send his executive team out and have a look what we’ve done over the last two years before making decisions or references as to how it as the moment.’’

The potential penalty relates to the NRL’s demand that the Eels undertake a governance review by an independent auditor.

“I don’t know if it’s an independent audit if they’re telling us who to use,’’ Sharp said.

“I don’t want to challenge the integrity of Price Waterhouse Coopers because they’re a huge reputable company and we believe they’re the right company.

“But what we’re also going to do is go through a tender process and invite other organisations to take us through that process.

“It may not be PwC, but I’d like to think this organisation has a good understanding of the game of rugby league.’’

Sharp said he had an indication of why the club was in such a calamitous state at the moment, but he underestimated the magnitude of the salary cap dramas which were brought to light this week.

“I’m the first to admit that when I first became involved with the top level board of this club, I didn’t foresee the mess was as huge as this,’’ Sharp said.

“From my previous position with the PDRL (Parramatta District Rugby League) board I could see over the fence that things weren't right, that’s why I initiated my move to get in there and sort it out.

“The damage that was done in those four or five years was enormous.’’

STEVE SHARP’S VIEW ON.....

LOSING FOUR COMPETITION POINTS IN 2016


“The threat of the four points over our head is something we’re not afraid of. It won’t come to that.

THE DAMAGE

“I’m the first to admit that when I first became involved with the board, I didn’t foresee the mess was as huge as this.

ON THE CLUB’S LATEST DRAMA


“The damage that was done in those four or five years was enormous.

“We need to get our reputation back intact.

THE NRL TAKING OVER ADMINISTRATION

“The difference between our club and the other (NRL run) clubs is that they all had financial problems. Our club doesn’t have that.

“Financially we’re putting a good structure in place to sustain the future of he Eels.

MOVING FORWARD

“We’ve put together a board with the skill set that we think is going to have great benefit for the club.
 

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