Jason Demetriou

[Crush]

I have no idea. I've never been coached by him.

He's clearly got runs on the board as an assistant and at Qld Cup/NSW Cup level. But other than that, I wouldn't know.

But I'm basing my assessment on the fact he still hasn't landed an NRL gig. That's with 5 clubs changing coaches in 2 months. Oh, and Ricky Stuart, Brad Arthur and Garth Brennan are still all NRL coaches in 2019.

He's like the Kurt Mann of NRL coaches. Talked up massively by Dragons fans, yet shown no interest by any other NRL club.

"He's the Kurt Mann of coaches"
This is exactly what I was thinking.
It's the Kurt Mann Syndrome.
Dislike of Paul McGregor amplifies feelings towards players/staff that fans feel Mary hasn't treated fairly.

 

[Saints Forever]

The problem with JD, is not his coaching, but his presentation.
Now, what I mean by that is, in today's world of psychological testing, interviews and (I cant remember the name of it) other testing (biometrics??), maybe JD just is an old fashion type coach, who gets the job done, rather than being a Mensa candidate (it's why McGregor will never coach anywhere else in the NRL). JD's record as a coach is impressive, but I just think it's the "intelligence" that's letting him down.

I can imagine if Harry Bath, Jack Gibson, our own Norm Proven or even stretching into today's Bennett and Bellamy, having to sit a psych test before getting the job. You'd all laugh. They just coached, that was their thing, and maybe it's the same with JD, he just wants to coach and not have to worry about applying to Harvard.

Suggest that the board and previous CEO should have set these tests instead of JD.

If they had, I am sure they would have failed all tests miserably.

 

[Crush]

Not sure how you can rationalise that Crush. I have no problem with Siebold, but he had a pretty handy roster to work with from day one. Not bad for a rookie coach. Time will tell though.

Souths went from 2016 12th, 2017 12th, straight to 2018 3rd with Seibold.
Broncos have always been a powerhouse roster but Wayne couldn't get them deep into finals over last couple of years.
I reckon Seibold will get instant results with broncos because their roster is excellent and I reckon Wayne will struggle because the roster at Souths is weaker than Broncos.
That's how I rationalise it Drag Queen.

 

[SBD82]

Souths went from 2016 12th, 2017 12th, straight to 2018 3rd with Seibold.
Broncos have always been a powerhouse roster but Wayne couldn't get them deep into finals over last couple of years.
I reckon Seibold will get instant results with broncos because their roster is excellent and I reckon Wayne will struggle because the roster at Souths is weaker than Broncos.
That's how I rationalise it Drag Queen.

It's going to be very interesting to see how Seibold goes next year.

I figure there are two possibilities: either Seibold assessed Souths' strengths and weaknesses beautifully, and tailored a gameplan to suit them, or he had a ganeplan in mind and was lucky enough to have the players that suited it. (Damien Cook playing fast off the back of a big prop falling at the defensive line's feet to get a quick play the ball).

If it's the former, I am very curious to see what game plan he comes up with to suit Brisbane's roster.

If it's the latter, he is going to struggle. Because McCullough is no Damien Cook.

 

[Crush]

It's going to be very interesting to see how Seibold goes next year.

I figure there are two possibilities: either Seibold assessed Souths' strengths and weaknesses beautifully, and tailored a gameplan to suit them, or he had a ganeplan in mind and was lucky enough to have the players that suited it. (Damien Cook playing fast off the back of a big prop falling at the defensive line's feet to get a quick play the ball).

If it's the former, I am very curious to see what game plan he comes up with to suit Brisbane's roster.

If it's the latter, he is going to struggle. Because McCullough is no Damien Cook.

Honest question, I don't follow souths too closely, but did the squad change a great deal from when they went from 12th to 3rd?
Or was that due to a coach change?

 

[watatank]

Demetriou gets talked up because he's got better credentials than the coaching staff we currently have which says a lot about the staff we have.

As far as the rest of the NRL goes, he looks like he would probably be one of the better emerging coaches, maybe one of the next assistant coaches that transitions to NRL head coach. His time will come, he probably just needs a little luck.

 

[SBD82]

Honest question, I don't follow souths too closely, but did the squad change a great deal from when they went from 12th to 3rd?
Or was that due to a coach change?

I don't follow them particularly closely, but from what I can gather the catalyst for change was the coaching style. (The squad didn't change but they managed to keep Reynolds on the park for extended periods which helped a lot - unfortunately for us).

I subscribe to the theory that Madge was a detail man, and had the team drilled so hard that they were mentally fatigued. Madge has ways that he expects the team to play, even if that means jamming a square peg into a round hole. This sort of coaching works really well when a team has been lacking in detail, and allowed to play whatever Is in front of them. You don't coach all of the footy out of a team in one or two seasons, hence they won a premiership early in Madge's tenure. Eventually though, the mental fatigue effects their footy, and they stop enjoying themselves, which I think explains the poor results at the end of Madge's time there.

The muscle memory was still there when Seibold took over, but he loosened the reins, and gave them the freedom to play off the back of Cook's runs. Cook would look wide, and the rest of the team pushed up because they knew he would. Worked especially well for someone like Cody Walker, who is a gifted natural footballer.

Change in style having a positive effect is a phenomenon that I see in patterns in the game. It's particularly evident when a rookie coach is given the reins after a coach is sacked mid season. Think roosters when Freddy started or knights when Rick stone took over. Neither of those two ended up being great coaches, but the players responded to the change.

How this applies to Seibold at Brisbane I have no idea. Last year Wayne had given the team a lot of freedom to play, with varied success.

 

[giboz71]

Some members on the forum are desperate for a change of head coach to the point that any new coach would be satisfactory. Remember JD has been assistant to Bennett and before that won the NSW Cup competition at the Dragons.

I believe JD would bring through the younger players better than what Mary does and would also at least have a plan B and plan C.

We shouldn't be desperate enough to replace Mary with someone who hasn't coached 1 second in the NRL (or even Super League for that matter).

The 5 guys who got new coaching gigs, Bennett, Siebold, Cleary, Maguire, Hasler......absolutely, any of those guys would be big upgrades (assuming Hasler didn't touch recruitment).

But JD? To slot into a team that was 4 mins from a prelim?

Yeh, nah.

 

[goggles]

We shouldn't be desperate enough to replace Mary with someone who hasn't coached 1 second in the NRL (or even Super League for that matter).

The 5 guys who got new coaching gigs, Bennett, Siebold, Cleary, Maguire, Hasler......absolutely, any of those guys would be big upgrades (assuming Hasler didn't touch recruitment).

But JD? To slot into a team that was 4 mins from a prelim?

Yeh, nah.

Why not? When Mary was appointed he'd had no experience coaching int the NRL or Super League... and his results were far, far inferior to what JD's have been.
Since Mary's been in charge he has been bloody awful and he should never have been given an extension! For what it's worth, I'd happily take JD on a 2 year deal.

 

[Objective View]

But there is no one available to replace Mary out there right this very second

Lol

Straight Shooter

 

[Dennis Papaioannou]

I have no idea. I've never been coached by him.

He's clearly got runs on the board as an assistant and at Qld Cup/NSW Cup level. But other than that, I wouldn't know.

But I'm basing my assessment on the fact he still hasn't landed an NRL gig. That's with 5 clubs changing coaches in 2 months. Oh, and Ricky Stuart, Brad Arthur and Garth Brennan are still all NRL coaches in 2019.

He's like the Kurt Mann of NRL coaches. Talked up massively by Dragons fans, yet shown no interest by any other NRL club.

I suppose that is a simplistic way of looking at things.
I prefer to judge him on what I saw him achieve.
In particular the Cutters title run in 2016.
I loved the style of football his team played. Didn't you?
Brilliant attacking football which was great to watch.
I also witnessed him play a major role in taking North Queensland to the title in 2015.
He not only has runs on the board but he is a standout amongst the coaches that aspire to coach FG.
I don't know why he has not jagged a FG gig yet.
Maybe he is patiently biding his time. I don't know.
However the dragon fans talk him up for good reason.
Comparing him to Kurt Mann in terms of coaching is not valid and just obtuse really.
Compared to what we have, Demetriou is a cut above.

No, just countering the obsession of Dragons fans who think we simply should have handed him a head coaching gig, with no other reason than to have Mary replaced.

For the record, I think there are many better options out there than Mary. Any of the 5 coaches handed new coaching gigs would have been an upgrade.

Is one of those options JD? Perhaps, but the lack of interest from any other NRL club is telling.

 

[Objective View]

We shouldn't be desperate enough to replace Mary with someone who hasn't coached 1 second in the NRL (or even Super League for that matter).

Lol. Any replacement is better than Mary, full stop. The bigger problem is that the club isn't even looking at replacing him.

Straight Shooter

 

[Warabrook saint]

Why not? When Mary was appointed he'd had no experience coaching int the NRL or Super League... and his results were far, far inferior to what JD's have been.
Since Mary's been in charge he has been bloody awful and he should never have been given an extension! For what it's worth, I'd happily take JD on a 2 year deal.

A couple of performances the nrl team put in while JD was filling in for the clueless one suggests he'd be a better option

 

[Dennis Papaioannou]

I suppose that is a simplistic way of looking at things.
I prefer to judge him on what I saw him achieve.
In particular the Cutters title run in 2016.
I loved the style of football his team played. Didn't you?
Brilliant attacking football which was great to watch.
I also witnessed him play a major role in taking North Queensland to the title in 2015.
He not only has runs on the board but he is a standout amongst the coaches that aspire to coach FG.
I don't know why he has not jagged a FG gig yet.
Maybe he is patiently biding his time. I don't know.
However the dragon fans talk him up for good reason.
Comparing him to Kurt Mann in terms of coaching is not valid and just obtuse really.
Compared to what we have, Demetriou is a cut above.

No, just countering the obsession of Dragons fans who think we simply should have handed him a head coaching gig, with no other reason than to have Mary replaced.

For the record, I think there are many better options out there than Mary. Any of the 5 coaches handed new coaching gigs would have been an upgrade.

Is one of those options JD? Perhaps, but the lack of interest from any other NRL club is telling.

I think you have missed the point to a certain degree.
Let's look at his time at St. George.
He did everything asked of him in grand style.
The Head coaching job was up for grabs and he was an obvious candidate.
McGregor was caretaker and the time came for the club to make a call on the permanent FG gig.
McGregor had no CV, had not been assistant to anyone. He had no results on the board except a couple of bush premierships and two ordinary years in reserve grade. - in fact he was not qualified to coach FG by any measure.
JD not only won back to back ISP titles with two totally different teams, he was also assistant to Green as Nth Queensland won the title in 2015.
He was already qualified to coach FG at that point in time.
So given those two rookie choices, our board chose McGregor.
That is the real issue when it comes to Demetriou.
Subsequently he was offered a job by Bennett at the Broncos.
Not a bad recommendation in terms of his ability.
The rest is speculation.

 

[Warabrook saint]

Lol. Any replacement is better than Mary, full stop. The bigger problem is that the club isn't even looking at replacing him.

Straight Shooter

The management and board mustn't have any pride or shame,the look on dopeys face in the box at suncorp was enough to make any Saints diehard cringe

 

[giboz71]

Why not? When Mary was appointed he'd had no experience coaching int the NRL or Super League... and his results were far, far inferior to what JD's have been.
Since Mary's been in charge he has been bloody awful and he should never have been given an extension! For what it's worth, I'd happily take JD on a 2 year deal.

Which is exactly why we should never appoint a novice head coach ever again. We’ve already been burnt twice with Price and Mary.

This club performs best when an experienced old head comes on board....Bennett obviously, Smith and Waite before him. Premierships and Grand Finals are usually the result.

I’m all for replacing Mary, but surely we should avoid another rookie. We’ve already been down that road.

 

[Warabrook saint]

We shouldn't be desperate enough to replace Mary with someone who hasn't coached 1 second in the NRL (or even Super League for that matter).

The 5 guys who got new coaching gigs, Bennett, Siebold, Cleary, Maguire, Hasler......absolutely, any of those guys would be big upgrades (assuming Hasler didn't touch recruitment).

But JD? To slot into a team that was 4 mins from a prelim?

Yeh, nah.

4 mins from a prelim....them 2 last games sure saved the sorry ones arse.We all forget about the last 8 weeks before that, and how we choked......not that they would have sacked the oxygen thief anyway

 

[ouryears]

Which is exactly why we should never appoint a novice head coach ever again. We’ve already been burnt twice with Price and Mary.

This club performs best when an experienced old head comes on board....Bennett obviously, Smith and Waite before him. Premierships and Grand Finals are usually the result.

I’m all for replacing Mary, but surely we should avoid another rookie. We’ve already been down that road.

Siebold was a rookie, Demetriou has runs on the board, took our ISP team to a magnificent premiership then took them to beat the QLD champions in the interstate match, versus Price and Mary who had none of that success.

Green was a rookie before taking cowboys to a premiership.

Flanno was only a novice under Ricky Stuart at the RoRters before he joined the sharks to take them to a premiership.....wasn’t an old head in coaching terms.

Demetriou has the goods, similar to Siebold.

 

[ouryears]

Lol. Any replacement is better than Mary, full stop. The bigger problem is that the club isn't even looking at replacing him.

Straight Shooter

Scary thing is if we win 7 from the first 11 .....or 6 from first 10 in 2019 he will get a
3 yr extension. That will be 3 more years where he will be happy to slink into 7th
to 8th position.

 

[goggles]

Which is exactly why we should never appoint a novice head coach ever again. We’ve already been burnt twice with Price and Mary.

This club performs best when an experienced old head comes on board....Bennett obviously, Smith and Waite before him. Premierships and Grand Finals are usually the result.

I’m all for replacing Mary, but surely we should avoid another rookie. We’ve already been down that road.

We'll have to agree to disagree Giboz.
Everyone's a rookie at some stage of their life - whether you're a chef, politician, policeman or footballer.
If experience is the sole criteria for appointment in life, a certain number of organisations would be stuck with failed managers leading them for ever more. To become successful (and stay successful) organisations needs to clean out the deadwood (regularly) and appoint fresh blood - at all levels.
In our case we need to mix youth and experience in all roles, whether it's the management, coaching or playing ranks. Unfortunately therein lies the problem, the club has been so badly managed (at the top) for so long, that everything else suffers as a result.
I have no problem with appointing a rookie, it's who the rookie is that's important.