Jdb case

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  1. Old Timer

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    All of which means nothing.
    A simple pleadings hearing that last < 5 minutes with 4 of those talking about any special bail conditions of which the court relaxes what the prosecutors in fact asked for
    Anyone taking anything out of this other than the court recognises JDB poses no flight risk or threat is a fool.
     
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  2. jeffdragon

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    Having read whats in the Illawarra Mercury?what allegedly happened there is one thing ,that is why she called a cab for her and jdb and the other guy afterwards to go to a nite club.
    If he is guilty no excuses.
    We just have to see how it goes.
    His mind suerly cant be on footy with this situation.
     
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  3. Brutalitops

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    If he is found guilty, based on the court documents, my god. Put him under the jail if true.

    Of course we must show restraint too. It's very easy to read this and jump to conclusions. I subscribe to innocent until proven guilty, as should everyone. But if he's guilty of this, I will feel sick for ever having him play for the Red V
     
  4. Belta

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    I believe it’s real hard to predict how detrimental this situation will be. IMO its a situation where the outcome and therefore the impact is unknown.

    I’ll give one scenario.

    JDB plays with the knowledge he is innocent.

    Whose to say he’s not innocent and has a clear conscience. In this case he may well play with more determination and purpose than ever before. None of us know that. That is why it would be unfair to say he is a distraction and not offer him his payments. A professional team should not be derailed by the events of one player, perhaps they to will be more determined to make this year a positive.
     
  5. Dragonslayer

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    I see a lot of people jumping to conclusions based on 1 court appearance. Anyone thinking todays hearing would lead to a result would be kidding themselves. It is just nornal court procedure.
    Wether this case goes to trial will be based solely on the police having to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the accused is guilty. Now, we dont know their evidence and wether that evidence is strong enough, we just have to wait and see.
    As for JDB playing, again a presumtion if innocence must apply. The fact that he is training would suggest his mental state.
    April 17th will be another hearing date, not a trial date, we will learn much more then. Until then, JDB is a player for the Dragons and should be treated no differently.
     
  6. GC Dragon

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    That's pretty much it . And also he can play round one and three in Qld .
     
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  7. Old Kogarah Boy 1

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    After reading the newspaper details from court etc and without commenting on anything else, to me, the seriousness of this 'incident / details' ( for want of a better word ) ........ is at the highest level.

    I'm not going to comment on whether JBD should or shouldn't play this season.
    I think that decision will be made by the NRL, the club and the sponsors.

    Nothing more to say.
     
  8. BennyV

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    A player with an aggravated sexual assault charge hanging over his head, likely subject to severe distraction and verbal abuse from opposition and fans and unable to travel overseas should be treated no differently to other players?

    Are you f**king high?!

    Based on those horrific charges and allegations, the club needs to wary of many things, particularly Jacks own mental state and the perception to sponsors of allowing him to pull on a jersey. While I can’t see him wanting to play this year, the club should be standing him down from playing for the sake of literally everyone!
     
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    Prosecutor objected to bail conditions being changed. They never asked for them to be changed
     
  10. getsmarty

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    DRAGONS


    Dragons statement: Jack de Belin
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    Tue 12 Feb 2019, 11:00 AM

    St George Illawarra player Jack de Belin appeared in Wollongong Local Court on Tuesday in relation to the allegations made against him in December.

    De Belin entered a plea of not guilty and court proceedings were adjourned until April.

    Lawyers made application to vary his bail conditions to enable de Belin to fulfil his training and playing commitments, which was approved.

    The club will make no further comment as this matter remains before the courts,

    https://www.dragons.com.au/news/2019/02/12/dragons-statement-jack-de-belin/
     
  11. Dragonslayer

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    Yet your response us filled with words like likely and needs to and should be. Sounds to me you need to stop taking this to your own perceptions and look at the larger picture and then take another look at your own last sentence."while i can't see him wanting to play" really!!!!
    Maybe its not me who is f^$$ing high.
    Further, your intent then is that JDB shouldnt be treated as a player but as a criminal. Thats sounds more like you have already judged him and yes he maybe found guilty of all charges, but right now he has not been found so. As for sponsors i havent seen any commenting on current issues, please enlighten us with statements that prove your allegation.
     
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  12. BennyV

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    Standing him down has nothing to do with guilty or innocent. The guy has incredibly severe criminal charges being laid against him and will have this for the next year or so. Most workplaces would be pulling some duties away from any employee going through this, let alone a workplace that relies on sponsorship and image!!
    I hope he is innocent and once that’s proven, welcome back. But again, removing the guy from playing football while these allegations exist is not about guilt, it’s about perception from the club.
     
  13. Overseas dragon

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    Obviously English was not one of your favorites at school. ....
     
  14. FlameThrower

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    Everyone is jumping at shadows. Better to leave this alone and let due process take place via the legal system.
     
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    lol, English not an issue, large fingers, small keyboard and typing too quickly, that's another subject.
     
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    Have no idea what you mean :)

    Yeah been there , done that mate.
     
  17. Mark D

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    I have watched JDB since he came through as a junior all the way to pulling on the blues jersey last year. He has always been one of my favourite Dragons. This whole story is terrible and I can only hope the truth comes out... Todays news story really got me down especially the way the telegraph used tone and language to hang him before trial. To remedy this I opened a fantastic McLaren Vale Shiraz and watched the Dragons v Broncos 2018 semi final replay... put a smile back on the dial..
     
  18. nontime111

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    yes its rank, he should be let play and throw himself into his footy until or IF anything is PROVEN!
    I think, if he IS innocent and this is what hes told all the staff at Dragons....he will play with more focus and mungrel to prove himself, lets hope this is the case, its what im sticking with unless and UNTIL any court finds otherwise.....
     
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  19. Slippery Morris

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    For the Dragons to allow him to train and continue to play means that they are behind the player and must be pretty confident he will beat the charge. Why would they risk damaging their name and reputation of the club for 1 player. I am sure they would have spoken to all their sponsors and board members about what they should do. The got rid of Fanoua-Blake who was a big up an comer straight away for a lesser crime so again they must have felt he was not innocent hence their action.

    It is a huge risk though if he ends up being guilty with a 20 year jail sentence.
     
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    I hate saying it but it occurs to me that JDB is a blond anglo and AFB was not...

    I really hope JDB is innocent but he is a goose no matter what based on the parts of the story that don't seem to be in dispute.
     
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