John Sutton? Nah, f**k him...he's not an 'origin player'

[hybrid_tiger]

I wouldn't complain one iota with Sutton, or Campese, or Carney @ #6.

But the selectors think we need good club level combinations - like the Ennis and Kimmorley one that was won the Bulldogs three games this season, and they'd rather pick a centre at five-eighth.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

the worst part is the game he played was lost by NSW on some pathetic defense, nothing more, some real arm hanging out soft c**k attempts at tackling Folau and i think Thurston?

In that game Campese set up a try with his kick to Hayne and was the ONLY NSW back to not miss a single tackle. If you want to add some attacking flair with Origin level defense, Campese is the man. He's the best edge defender in the comp.

I reckon they should consider Campese for halfback. There's not really anyone better, and as you say he'd be one of the few halfbacks who's not a liability in defence.

 

[mortz]

i voted yes... if sutton is 6 we will sweep the series

 

[Lambretta]

Nope, 100% spot on, Creagh holds the ball and Campo had 2 try assists. As you say, put it on a platter for him
your right, he didnt have a bad, he had a very solid game for a debut, he didnt star but he was NSW's best back in that game. And he was scapegoated.

Another example of NSW selectors f**king things up
If Sutton gets a chance i hope they dont f**k him around too

The problem with Campese's selection at five eighth was the fact they put him alongside a newbie half back in Wallace, a player who is made to look better than he really is because of who he plays alongside and the structure he plays in.

Wallace is not a dominant half, yet Campese is a dominant five eighth. So NSW get Wallace to dominate in attack, whilst Campese plays 2nd fiddle in attack and tackles his arse off in defence.

So Campese doesnt shine in a structure that doesnt suit him, alongside a halfback who usually gets told how to play by the far more talented Lockyer and we blame Campese. The mind boggles.

I've been saying since 2007 that we need to pick the best players for their best positions not pick people out of position and hope they can cope.

Gidley is not a five eighth who should start. His best role for NSW is to use his speed in attack at the back end of each half. That means he has to be a bench utility player. Five eighth has to be a full time proper five eighth. That means Soward, Campese, Barrett or Sutton.

I've always been wary of Sutton as five eighth for NSW as he went to five eighth as a lock who was rammed into the position and he was still learning it. However he is improving and learning his game and playing under Lang isnt going to hinder his chances of becoming a better player.

With Barrett ageing we need to look to the future and Campese and Sutton are emerging as our best options in that position.

 

[Lambretta]

I wouldn't complain one iota with Sutton, or Campese, or Carney @ #6.

Carney is a serious talent, but I still maintain you need to play your best players in positions they usually play in.

Carney is playing fullback, but I get the feeling he will move into the halves within the next 18 months at the Roosters.

One of Carneys real positives is the understanding he has with Pearce. With Pearce injured and Carney trying to run the Roosters in attack it just didnt work. Carney has made alot of half breaks over the past 2 weeks and no one has backed him up in support. If anyone actually had the Roosters would have smashed the Cowboys a couple of weeks back.

When Pearce makes breaks Carney is sniffing around and reading the plays. It's nice to see. I'd like to see Carney play a sustained period in the halves at club level before throwing him into the Origin arena.

 

[Whos Ya Daddy]

Here is an option everyone has overlooked because Campese plays with the number 6 on his back. Put him at halfback were he plays for Canberra. He plays first receiver and controls the game just like any good halfback. I don't like him at 5/8 if he has to take a backwards step to the halfback.

Let's put an explosive player like Carney at 5/8. The only combination back together again only this time they are playing in the right positions. Sutton can be picked at lock where he looks most comfortable.

6.Carney
7.Campese
13.Sutton

Problem solved and NSW actually have some attack. Looking to the future that is a step in the right direction.

 

[simmo1]

If NSW continue to insist on playing a back on the bench, then Sutton would be a much better option than some of the others they have picked there. Starting five-eighth? I'm not quite convinced. I'd like to see Carney given a go.

 

[Whos Ya Daddy]

The problem with Campese's selection at five eighth was the fact they put him alongside a newbie half back in Wallace, a player who is made to look better than he really is because of who he plays alongside and the structure he plays in.

Wallace is not a dominant half, yet Campese is a dominant five eighth. So NSW get Wallace to dominate in attack, whilst Campese plays 2nd fiddle in attack and tackles his arse off in defence.

So Campese doesnt shine in a structure that doesnt suit him, alongside a halfback who usually gets told how to play by the far more talented Lockyer and we blame Campese. The mind boggles.

That is an astute observation. Even though I didn't read it beforehand it may seem like I parroted that to some extent. Good to see some people with half a clue.

 

[Lambretta]

That is an astute observation. Even though I didn't read it beforehand it may seem like I parroted that to some extent. Good to see some people with half a clue.

He does that at Canberra because he HAS to.

At Origin level he would have to get used to playing alongside a dominant halves partner. The problem with Wallace is that he is submissive and was trying to be dominant. Campese could work alongside a dominant half back, but it would have be someone with the knowledge and ability to understand WHEN to use him and how.

This would mean deferring to Campese as first receiver when it best suited the team (as you alluded to). Kimmorley would have that knowledge and would also be a good fit with his experience to ease Campese into the role so that when a younger halfback came in, such as Pearce that Campese would be able to nurse him along. It the combination we should have used game one. Now Kimmorley will be gone for game two and we'll get it wrong again looking for a miracle cure when there isnt one to be found.

Origin is all about putting your best players in and turning positions over at a slow rate so people brought in cause minimum disturbance to the teams balance. You shouldnt throw the baby out with the bathwater and yet we do it time after time when we dont need to.

 

[natheel]

imo although barrett has been there done it i think he is past it...time to blood a younger player and actually stick with him instead of tossing him after a loss like campo. id like to see campo get another shot, but would b just as happy with sutton. then next year bring in pearce as halfback

 

[Big Pete]

the pass was fine, as said, that game was lost on defense, Campese was the only NSW back not to miss one, he shut down a lot of attacking raids in defense too
i stand by my call, 2nd best back for NSW in that game... Giddley was f**king hopeless like he always is. Lyon was average, Jennings was a rookie and looked good too.
In fact their side which included Campo, Hayne, Jennings and Creagh was the most dangerous part of NSW...

I disagree but there's no point discussing a refs decision that is 12 months old.

That game was lost more on attack actually. NSW had their chances and the halves failed to capitalise.

And stand by your call, it means about as much as the players player award at the end of the day...

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Here is an option everyone has overlooked ... Put him at halfback were he plays for Canberra.

Not everyone.

I said the same thing a few posts back:

I reckon they should consider Campese for halfback. There's not really anyone better, and as you say he'd be one of the few halfbacks who's not a liability in defence.

 

[Jason Maher]

Absolutely would be happy with Sutton at 5/8. Sutton and Pearce (if fit) is probably our best combo, though I wouldn't complain about Campese being given another shot either. Carney at this point is better suited to the bench spot if we insist on having a back there.

I don't buy this "*insert player here* isn't an Origin player" bullsh*t. There is no way to know unless a player has been given a go (and a real go, not in for a game, straight back out if we don't win).

 

[Big Pete]

Then every Australian is an Origin standard player.

 

[Newcastlerabbit]

Luv to see Sutto get a go,could not do any worse.

 

[gronkathon]

Campese would be preffered for kicking game alone but Sutton with the ball in hand is very dangerous.

The Origin arena is a very different beast though. There is rarely the room he requires to stage his best plays.

Wouldn't mind seeing him and even Champion being given a go

 

[abpanther]

Sutton shows up once every 3 months and now he should play origin? Give me a break...

 

[Baron Vo Mandor]

Sutton is a myth. He'll have 1-2 good games then when the going gets tough Johnny goes a walkabout!

 

[Charlie124]

NSW cant put Sutton at 5/8 because they already have Lyon, Gidley, Carney, Barrett, Campese and every other 5/8 who's played 5 NRL games playing there.

 

[CliffyIsGod]

Sutton has been much more consistent in the last 10 rounds of 2009 and all of this year. My origin team would have:

6. Sutton
7. Pearce

9. Farah
14. Campbell