Jones experiment

[JB]

Like the Bunnies....incredible set of forwards.....average set of backs.

I'd go the opposite actually. Barring Pricey it's just pack of toilers really. Out wide the likes of Vatuvei, Tate, Locke now, an in form McKinnon and Ropati should provide enough strike power. They've struggled from at times a lack of dominance up front, and halves that havent been able to set up play, plus a coach that's over conservative.

 

[Meth]

Average set of forwards, who do the job.

Outside backs who aren't being fully utilized and/or are in poor form.

A crap halfback.

And we desperately miss Tate

 

[High Octane Bunny]

I'd go the opposite actually. Barring Pricey it's just pack of toilers really. Out wide the likes of Vatuvei, Tate, Locke now, an in form McKinnon and Ropati should provide enough strike power. They've struggled from at times a lack of dominance up front, and halves that havent been able to set up play, plus a coach that's over conservative.

If the Warriors' forwards can hold two sides...Tigers and Knights, to nil points over 80mins of footy then they are not toilers. No gamebreakers in the forwards, yes. But these guys are good. The backs are the weakness...simple - if you can't score tries then you cannot blame the forwards. They drive it up and allow the backs the opportunity to score...if they fail the pressure goes back on the pack.

 

[JB]

If the Warriors' forwards can hold two sides...Tigers and Knights, to nil points over 80mins of footy then they are not toilers. No gamebreakers in the forwards, yes. But these guys are good. The backs are the weakness...simple - if you can't score tries then you cannot blame the forwards. They drive it up and allow the backs the opportunity to score...if they fail the pressure goes back on the pack.

That's the thing though. Those oppertunities have been few and far between (apart from the last few weeks where certain players have been guilty of squandering chances). But by and large this season, not a lot created for our outsides.

 

[ozbash]

Average set of forwards, who do the job.

no, we lack ball playing forwards, our props are good, our 2nd row is stifled. Matulino is the only talented ball playing forward we seem to have. Luck is a tackle machine, Mannering ? I'm not 100 what his role is, center-2nd row-refuses to pass (when he does, its to the touchie).

Outside backs who aren't being fully utilized and/or are in poor form.

oh, you mean Denam (kid dynamite) Kemp ?
Our centres are good defencively but lack enough ball (2nd rowers/lock) to be creative enough to put our wings into space. Manu relies on brute strength and sometimes that works..

A crap halfback.

f**k off noddy, you are showing yourself up by blaming Stace for the teams poor showing.
He is probably past his use-by but he has been one of the few to show any form of commitment, passon and/or pride in his jersey. Unlike McKinnon, Lillyman, Kemp, and at times, Price, Stacey isnt there just to make up the numbers.

And we desperately miss Tate

on the wing, maybe.
he's not a centres arsehole.

 

[Meth]

ozbash- we have already established you are a senile old dribbler, with your head jammed so far up Stacey's arse you could give him a visual prostate examination.

That aside momentarily, you seem to have a startling penchant for blaming team performances on largely non-playing players. You have previously blamed Fien for the Warrior's performance this season, despite playing hardly any games.

Kemp, likewise, appears in your eyes to be a problem with the Warriors, despite playing hardly any games- the Warriors were experiencing frustrated attack when he was playing for the Vulcans, yet our woes are attributable in your eyes to his name on the roster.

Your dislike for Kemp, and Fien, and McKinnon is what it is- the illogical, nonsensical, prejudices of a racist old coot.

Kemp has been disappointing; that has been acknowledged and, as a winger, he is behind Vatuvei and Locke. But he, like Fien, can not be held accountable for performances he has been largely absent from.

f**k off noddy, you are showing yourself up by blaming Stace for the teams poor showing. He is probably past his use-by but he has been one of the few to show any form of commitment, passon and/or pride in his jersey. Unlike McKinnon, Lillyman, Kemp, and at times, Price, Stacey isnt there just to make up the numbers.

Probably past his use by? He's curdled milk that won't wash down the plug hole, and you appear to be happy to spoon him....back into the cereal.

Lillyman- rubbish. Kemp- disappointing. McKinnon- not his best season, but he is far from the worst on the field. But the epic failure of signing Jones and shedding all of our options to put all of our eggs in his basket is the screw-up of the season. We have plenty of options should we cull Lillyman and Kemp isn't even playing in the top grade, barring injury. We have no option but to play out our pathetic attempt at nostalgia.

 

[ozbash]

ozbash- we have already established you are a senile old dribbler, with your head jammed so far up Stacey's arse you could give him a visual prostate examination.

sweet, is that all you got ?

you seem to have a startling penchant for blaming team performances on largely non-playing players

lol, ok. who ? Fein played a few games this season, he only needed those few to prove once and for all that he is not up to the mark.

But he, like Fien, can not be held accountable for performances he has been largely absent from.

WTF ? Kemp has failed. He has failed miserably onfield and his impersonation of 'Bruno' with his manbag will go down in history as a total flop.

Your dislike for Kemp, and Fien, and McKinnon is what it is- the illogical, nonsensical, prejudices of a racist old coot.

no its not, they are all useless. I dont like pretenders..

Lillyman- rubbish. Kemp- disappointing. McKinnon- not his best season, but he is far from the worst on the field.

he's one of the worst. playing on reputation.

your descriptions of the other 2 are a mirror image of yourself, mild...

 

[High Octane Bunny]

As a Bunnies fan born and bred in West Auckland I am amazed at the how these two sides mirror each other.....

Both on 15 points - both have a strong set of forwards that are capable of excellent defence - both struggle to score points (more than 20) - both have under-performing inside back combos - and centres that offer little impact or gamebreaking ability.......possibly why they will both fail to finish inside the top eight.

Changes need to happen with the Warriors', but not necessarily a major overhaul.....yes losing Tate was a big blow, like the Rabbitohs losing Rhys Wesser - threw the real attacking kilter out a bit. Stacey is a true gamebreaker, however the opposition have his number and (like the Bunnies), closing down the inside two is a easy way to place pressure on the entire team.

Open it up....throw it around alot (as per usual when desperate) and score. Almost had the Broncos until MANNERING cocked it up, so offload at every opportunity and lay on the points....risky, but the only way to go now - a wet Auckland on Sunday will help again, but the Ticks n' Fleas are OK in the rain.

 

[ozbash]

As a Bunnies fan born and bred in West Auckland I am amazed at the how these two sides mirror each other.....

Both on 15 points - both have a strong set of forwards that are capable of excellent defence - both struggle to score points (more than 20) - both have under-performing inside back combos - and centres that offer little impact or gamebreaking ability.......possibly why they will both fail to finish inside the top eight.

Changes need to happen with the Warriors', but not necessarily a major overhaul.....yes losing Tate was a big blow, like the Rabbitohs losing Rhys Wesser - threw the real attacking kilter out a bit. Stacey is a true gamebreaker, however the opposition have his number and (like the Bunnies), closing down the inside two is a easy way to place pressure on the entire team.

Open it up....throw it around alot (as per usual when desperate) and score. Almost had the Broncos until MANNERING cocked it up, so offload at every opportunity and lay on the points....risky, but the only way to go now - a wet Auckland on Sunday will help again, but the Ticks n' Fleas are OK in the rain.

I'm with you HOBunny, except your view on Tate.
He smothers attacking options in the centres, should be on the wing..

 

[Micistm]

I think Benny sees him as the answer to his hooker problems, be surprised to see him take Hornbys spot.

Agree with the WC, you cant deny he helped, but would he have been able to do it without the class either side of him ?

Fein isnt/wasnt/not in a million years a better halfback than Jones.

Would like to see Heremaia get a shot at 7...

I don't want to bag Jones ad nauseum...he's copping it for poor team performances when while he was a part and has been poor, IMO he should not be copping the flack for poor teammates. We've covered the Price try from last week off a decent Jones kick-When the only guy chasing is the Old Prop, the teams got issues. And that lack of enthusiasm cannot be pinged on Jones.
That said, IMO he is FAR better suited to a bench player. No shame in that. The mighty Beaver at Manly last year was off the bench and fantastic. I reckon Jones himself would prefer that- but that's just a guess. I think it is fair to say that Jones has been poor and disappointing-But I also think it's equally fair to say his team mates have been crap and helped little as well. Thank God for Price and Locke- If only some of their hunger and enthusiasm would rub off on the team

 

[Meth]

sweet, is that all you got ?

haha

You are the worst poster on this forum.

All you've ever got is 'is that all you've got'

 

[ozbash]

haha

You are the worst poster on this forum.

All you've ever got is 'is that all you've got'

:lol: wow, how constructive.

cant wait till you get really fired up...

That said, IMO he is FAR better suited to a bench player.

possibly, but there is nobody close to better form for him to replace.

why is he playing this season ?

 

[Meth]

:lol: wow, how constructive.

cant wait till you get really fired up...

Drop the ''I have witty and biting responses to offer but I am not going to because you aren't up to my standard'' act Ozbash- we can all see right through it

 

[Meth]

Snap poll;

Rank in order of effectiveness;

Rovelli 2007
Fien 2008
Jones 2009

I would go;

Fien 2008
Rovelli 2007
Jones 2009

 

[Micistm]

Interesting Poll! And I would go the same.
Didn't mind Brandy in '95!

 

[High Octane Bunny]

Mr Ozbash...it's nice to see that bagging people is your attempt to deal with a pathetic football team that has no attacking ability whatsoever. I don't need to quote or counter quote you because I couldn't care less on your warped opinion. I think you need to keep your mind open because all your claims about this player or that players counts for little.....the Warriors' still sit 3 points off the bottom and another crap year beckons in 2010 if Cleary doesn't grow some balls.....so get your laughing gear around this -

After Sunday's weak performance by the Warriors' you would have to say there are only a handful of players capable of stepping up and securing a spot in the 2010 squad. The walk up first grade players that may be the base for the side next season are Manu Vatuvei, Kevin Locke, Steve Price, Russell Packer, Sam Rapira, Jesse Royal, Ben Matulino and the injuried Brent Tate. Lance Hohaia makes it as a specialist hooker and Michael Luck for his defence. The rest have not come up the mark this year and many critical positions could be up for grabs by the young U20 players. Below is a possible starting side working on current player stocks and suitable gamebreakers....


NZ WARRIORS' 2010
-------------------------

1. KEVIN LOCKE
2. SUATONGA LIKILIKI
3. BRENT TATE
4. WADE McKINNON / RUSTY BRISTOW
5. MANU VATUVEI
6. SHAUN JOHNSON
7. STACEY JONES
8. SAM RAPIRA
9. LANCE HOHAIA
10. STEVE PRICE (c)
11. BEN MATULINO
12. LEWIS BROWN
13. MICHEAL LUCK

Interchange:

14. ALEHANA MARA
15. RUSSELL PACKER
16. JESSE ROYAL
17. ELIJAH TAYLOR

This offers a serious attacking team and you could throw Lesson Ah mau into the mix. Players to miss the cut would be, Henderson, Moon, Ah Van, Kemp, Lilyman, Heremia and Mannering. Wade McKinnon's strength and power may be better suited at centre to allow Locke the best attacking options from the back and Shaun Johnson's playmaker skills and cannot be ignored.

It just one mans opinion....so don't get toooo wound up.

 

[Rich102]

Mr Ozbash...it's nice to see that bagging people is your attempt to deal with a pathetic football team that has no attacking ability whatsoever. I don't need to quote or counter quote you because I couldn't care less on your warped opinion. I think you need to keep your mind open because all your claims about this player or that players counts for little.....the Warriors' still sit 3 points off the bottom and another crap year beckons in 2010 if Cleary doesn't grow some balls.....so get your laughing gear around this -

After Sunday's weak performance by the Warriors' you would have to say there are only a handful of players capable of stepping up and securing a spot in the 2010 squad. The walk up first grade players that may be the base for the side next season are Manu Vatuvei, Kevin Locke, Steve Price, Russell Packer, Sam Rapira, Jesse Royal, Ben Matulino and the injuried Brent Tate. Lance Hohaia makes it as a specialist hooker and Michael Luck for his defence. The rest have not come up the mark this year and many critical positions could be up for grabs by the young U20 players. Below is a possible starting side working on current player stocks and suitable gamebreakers....


NZ WARRIORS' 2010
-------------------------

1. KEVIN LOCKE
2. SUATONGA LIKILIKI
3. BRENT TATE
4. WADE McKINNON / RUSTY BRISTOW
5. MANU VATUVEI
6. SHAUN JOHNSON
7. STACEY JONES
8. SAM RAPIRA
9. LANCE HOHAIA
10. STEVE PRICE (c)
11. BEN MATULINO
12. LEWIS BROWN
13. MICHEAL LUCK

Interchange:

14. ALEHANA MARA
15. RUSSELL PACKER
16. JESSE ROYAL
17. ELIJAH TAYLOR

This offers a serious attacking team and you could throw Lesson Ah mau into the mix. Players to miss the cut would be, Henderson, Moon, Ah Van, Kemp, Lilyman, Heremia and Mannering. Wade McKinnon's strength and power may be better suited at centre to allow Locke the best attacking options from the back and Shaun Johnson's playmaker skills and cannot be ignored.

It just one mans opinion....so don't get toooo wound up.

Sadly not with us next year!

 

[Meth]

NZ WARRIORS' 2010
-------------------------

1. KEVIN LOCKE
2. SUATONGA LIKILIKI
3. BRENT TATE
4. WADE McKINNON / RUSTY BRISTOW
5. MANU VATUVEI
6. SHAUN JOHNSON
7. STACEY JONES
8. SAM RAPIRA
9. LANCE HOHAIA
10. STEVE PRICE (c)
11. BEN MATULINO
12. LEWIS BROWN
13. MICHEAL LUCK

Interchange:

14. ALEHANA MARA
15. RUSSELL PACKER
16. JESSE ROYAL
17. ELIJAH TAYLOR

Right off the bat, too much Stacey Jones in that team for mine

 

[High Octane Bunny]

If Cleary resigns him.....what are ya gonna do?

 

[Meth]

I thought it was your opinion.

But I understand; we seem to now all be resigned to the death sentence that is Stacey