Josh Dugan > Jarryd Hayne

[boxhead]

Dugan proved it again on the weekend.

:roll:

Yeah his team had an easy win, if you noticed the Eels only played for 10 minutes.

Hayne at his best is way ahead of Dugan's best, and that's the way it will always be, Hayne is by far the more naturally talented player. I'm sorry, but you have to be unbelievably biased to say otherwise; pretty much every Raiders fan I have met agrees Hayne has far more potential and is way more naturally talented-of course they give me digs about consistency though

 

[skeepe]

:roll:

Yeah his team had an easy win, if you noticed the Eels only played for 10 minutes.

Hayne at his best is way ahead of Dugan's best, and that's the way it will always be, Hayne is by far the more naturally talented player. I'm sorry, but you have to be unbelievably biased to say otherwise; pretty much every Raiders fan I have met agrees Hayne has far more potential and is way more naturally talented-of course they give me digs about consistency though

Josh Dugan is the more naturally talented player. Everyone but Parramatta fans can see that.

 

[adamkungl]

:roll:

Yeah his team had an easy win, if you noticed the Eels only played for 10 minutes.

Hayne at his best is way ahead of Dugan's best, and that's the way it will always be, Hayne is by far the more naturally talented player. I'm sorry, but you have to be unbelievably biased to say otherwise; pretty much every Raiders fan I have met agrees Hayne has far more potential and is way more naturally talented-of course they give me digs about consistency though

I think you'll find it's you who's biased...

 

[sarahk]

:roll:

Yeah his team had an easy win, if you noticed the Eels only played for 10 minutes.

Hayne at his best is way ahead of Dugan's best, and that's the way it will always be, Hayne is by far the more naturally talented player. I'm sorry, but you have to be unbelievably biased to say otherwise; pretty much every Raiders fan I have met agrees Hayne has far more potential and is way more naturally talented-of course they give me digs about consistency though

Boxhead dont even bother with them honestly! When you talk logic or sense in these forums you'll get shot down quickly.

Who cares if they think Dugan is better, good for them in fact.

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

I love how people are already putting Canberra in the Grand Final when they arent even assured to be in the top 8 yet.

 

[Ladmate]

Mate, you are pulling 'facts' out of bullsh*t media stories. I accept you have your opinion and I agree that Dugan is the better fullback.
However, you seem to believe Dugan is the more naturally talented player....which anyone can tell you is wrong; most Raiders fans on this site and that I have met in person agree that Hayne is the more naturally talented player and the better athlete.

If this discussion is about fullbacks, then yes Dugan > Hayne.
If it is about the better player overall, then it is quite easily Hayne > Dugan.
I love Dugan as much as I love Hayne, but no-one else in Rugby League bar perhaps Greg Inglis is anywhere near as naturally talented as Jarryd Hayne is.

Still though, I reckon Dugan should be a given in NSW next year. Whether that is on the wing and playing the sniff up the middle style of Michael Gordon or being an interchange fullback much like Queensland did with Karmichael Hunt is the real question.

However, Dugan will not take Jarryd's spot in the 4 nations squad. I'm sure they will take him as a back-up for the outside backs, but aside from that he won't get involved. If Billy Slater is injured, Jarryd will move straight to fullback. I'm sorry, but Dugan won't take Jarryd's fullback spot in NSW or for Australia because the selectors know that when you compare the two at their best, and on consistency and their uses, Hayne will always be picked over Dugan.

Only way Dugan will ever play fullback for NSW is if Jarryd gets injured or if Jarryd Hayne moves to five-eighth. That is the only way it will ever happen; I'm sorry to break it to you, but it is the cold hard truth, and I'm not a fan of it either. If Jarryd does move to five-eighth, then that will be the best thing ever to have Dugan at fullback and Jarryd at five-eighth; could end up being one of the greatest half-fullback combinations ever.

Benji Marshall?

Anyway, I think Parra would be better off with Hayne chiming in,not the playmaker, but Burt defending at Fullback. Not sure how this would work though.

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

Benji Marshall?

Anyway, I think Parra would be better off with Hayne chiming in,not the playmaker, but Burt defending at Fullback. Not sure how this would work though.

Jarryd Haynes kick returns are far superior to Burts. Haynes meters gained make up for that. He is at fullback and stays at fullback.

What we need is halves that have the ability and the confidence to over rule Hayne when calling for the ball.

 

[Raiders_Premiers]

Boxhead dont even bother with them honestly! When you talk logic or sense in these forums you'll get shot down quickly.

Who cares if they think Dugan is better, good for them in fact.

:lol: So delusional. Judging from your join date I'd say you were one of many swept up in the whole "Hayne Train" wankfest last year

 

[boxhead]

Look, I think Dugan is the better fullback but I, like the experts, believe Hayne to be more naturally talented.
Dugan does his work in a team that actually has dominant play-makers, Hayne doesn't.
I respect your opinions, honestly.
Dugan's always going to be the better fullback, but Hayne will always have more talent; hell, even Joey Johns admits that Jarryd is far more talented than he is, he said something along the lines of "Hayne is like Johns, Wally Lewis, Darren Lokcyer and Greg Inglis combined into one".
I love watching both play, I watch them both equally, so I am hardly 'biased' just because I am a Parramatta supporter (but I support more teams than one; I'll support any team).
I'm stating my opinion after watching the two with equal interest, and while I think Dugan outclasses Hayne at fullback, Hayne outclasses Dugan in terms of raw ability.
But I say; good on everyone for having their opinions, it certainly is a very good topic to discuss.

 

[Y2Eel]

:lol: So delusional. Judging from your join date I'd say you were one of many swept up in the whole "Hayne Train" wankfest last year

Canberra wish there was a Dugan Train or plane or sub marine, Cos it hasnt hurt Parra by having the Hayne Train last year pulling the biggest semi final crown (with the help of the bulldogs) and also being one of the top 10 richest (tv/commercial wise) clubs in australia in all codes...

Also too bad the Dugan wankfest only goes as far as the raiders supporters.. Kid has some talent but sue to these idiot supporters the rest of the world will turn on him, ala Hayne..

 

[Bobby DIGital]

Look, I think Dugan is the better fullback

And what position does Hayne play again?

 

[Baron Vo Mandor]

at least hayne isnt dumb enough to go for a drive with a suspended license?

Yeah talking sh*t in the cross and acting like a dickhead and getting shot at is so much better aye?

 

[boxhead]

And what position does Hayne play again?

Says absolutely nothing about who is more talented.
Mate, Darren Lockyer is considered the best five-eighth in Rugby League, but Benji Marshall is considered to be more talented than he is.
I'm applying the same logic here. Jarryd doesn't even really play as a fullback except for in defence; he plays like a five-eighth whilst Dugan plays like a traditional fullback.
This is why many Parramatta, and even general RL fans, are calling for Hayne to move to five-eighth; he is considered to be the next Darren Lockyer, a player that could have gone down as one of the greatest fullbacks ever but did what he had to for his team and thus cemented their name in RL history forever.

I'm not saying anything about Locky's talent by the way, for QLD fans who are worried; I think he probably would have been the greatest fullback ever, but he did what he had to for his team and his state and became one of the greatest five-eighths ever instead. It's the same with Jarryd Hayne, except Jarryd's talent is so amazing that he could very well become a legend at five-eighth alongside Lockyer.

 

[Bobby DIGital]

You don't honestly think Hayne can play 5/8 do you?

You seem to be forgetting his failed attempt at playing there at the start of last year. He was terrible.

 

[Raiders_Premiers]

You don't honestly think Hayne can play 5/8 do you?

You seem to be forgetting his failed attempt at playing there at the start of last year. He was terrible.

:lol: Oh yeah I forgot about that, he was f**king hopeless

 

[Y2Eel]

You don't honestly think Hayne can play 5/8 do you?

You seem to be forgetting his failed attempt at playing there at the start of last year. He was terrible.

Hayne is a better 5/8 then Dugan ;-)

 

[Paullyboy]

Canberra wish there was a Dugan Train or plane or sub marine, Cos it hasnt hurt Parra by having the Hayne Train last year pulling the biggest semi final crown (with the help of the bulldogs) and also being one of the top 10 richest (tv/commercial wise) clubs in australia in all codes...

Also too bad the Dugan wankfest only goes as far as the raiders supporters.. Kid has some talent but sue to these idiot supporters the rest of the world will turn on him, ala Hayne..

Unlike others, I don't hate Hayne. I hate listening to him talk (but then again I don't really like listening to Dugan talk either), but as far as his football goes - it's fantastic. I do however think the whole Hayne-Train thing has done more damage than good for the Eels. The rest of the team (bar Hindmarsh) simply don't do anything, they all bought into the hype. A lot of Parramatta players have produced some of the most pathetic and uninspired football I've ever seen this year, and it's because they know they are in a one-man team and figure they don't have to do anything. Naturally some weeks there are exceptions, but overall, it's been a curse.

Hayne is a better 5/8 then Dugan ;-)

He might be a better front-rower too, it means absolutely nothing though because Dugan is a fullback.

 

[sarahk]

:lol: So delusional. Judging from your join date I'd say you were one of many swept up in the whole "Hayne Train" wankfest last year

RP, if you're going to sit there and make an assumption at least make sure it's an intelligent one. Can i help the fact that i didn't know these forums existed until then?

and FFS why does it bother you so much that i think Hayne is better. I do not care about Dugan, never have and never will and like ive said one million times on these forums ( which you still seem to fail to comprehend):

I THINK HAYNE IS WAY MORE TALENTED THAN DUGAN.

THEREFORE, HAYNE > DUGAN, IN MY OPINION

Before you respond, i don't care what you and everyone else thinks so save yourself the trouble of posting me 'you're delusional' crap.

 

[Y2Eel]

Unlike others, I don't hate Hayne. I hate listening to him talk (but then again I don't really like listening to Dugan talk either), but as far as his football goes - it's fantastic. I do however think the whole Hayne-Train thing has done more damage than good for the Eels. The rest of the team (bar Hindmarsh) simply don't do anything, they all bought into the hype. A lot of Parramatta players have produced some of the most pathetic and uninspired football I've ever seen this year, and it's because they know they are in a one-man team and figure they don't have to do anything. Naturally some weeks there are exceptions, but overall, it's been a curse.




He might be a better front-rower too, it means absolutely nothing though because Dugan is a fullback.

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Sooooo true about the rest of the team atleast with Dugan his team puts in every game..

Yes and so is Hayne but i doubt he will be for too much longer Dugan is there for his career and it hope fully is a long and successful one..

 

[boxhead]

You don't honestly think Hayne can play 5/8 do you?

You seem to be forgetting his failed attempt at playing there at the start of last year. He was terrible.

:lol:

How do you think he plays?
He isn't a normal fullback. He's like a five-eighth AND a halfback in attack.
Of course he will end up at five-eighth; the reasons he failed in 2009 at that position are;
1. He had never played that position before.
2. He hadn't fully learned those skills yet.
3. He wasn't used to being a 'playmaker'.

Now that he pretty much can do anything he wants to in attack (the best at the no-look cut-out pass, bullet pass and a brilliant kicking game even when he isn't playing well), if you moved him there, there is only one factor that could kill his inevitable success;
His motivation to play away from his preferred position.

That is it. People might say "oh but what about his fitness"; that isn't an issue, and he is more than used to defending in the line, he has played centre/wing for most of his career. If you bring up that stupid consistency argument, you need to get a reality check and actually watch all the Parra games this year; in all honesty, Jarryd has only had 2 or 3 bad games at the most this year, and even on a bad day he still terrorises enemy teams.

Back to the original argument....
We can agree to disagree all you want, fans from both sides will act like stuck-up children and bitch and whine, but I solemnly believe that Hayne is the more talented player. Dugan is the better fullback, but unfortunately for Duges, he isn't in Hayne's calibre of raw talent.
Again, you can laugh at me all you want or say sh*t to me, but it doesn't make a difference on my opinion.