Josh Dugan > Jarryd Hayne

[andrew057]

hmm...

Hayne doesn't position himself well or show any urgency in defence.

Dugan doesn't kick or ball play.

I wonder which is more important for a fullback :crazy:

Both are very important.

 

[andrew057]

Also Dugan can kick and ball play.

Ok?

Hayne:

19 Line break Assists
15 Try Assists


Dugan:

9 Line break Assists
8 Try Assitss

 

[DeeJ]

Nice stats but you said Dugan doesn't use those skills when clearly he is able and he does.

 

[andrew057]

Nice stats but you said Dugan doesn't use those skills when clearly he is able and he does.

He can't in comparison to Hayne...

 

[Y2Eel]

hmm...

Hayne doesn't position himself well or show any urgency in defence.

Dugan doesn't kick or ball play.

I wonder which is more important for a fullback :crazy:

Hmmmmmmmm i aint a Parra or Hayne fan :sarcasm: but Hayne shows a bloody lot of urgency in defense actually...

 

[Y2Eel]

Also this just looks like another bus full of Parra Bandwagoners. I none of these fans will be at any games next year.

Let them play in empty Stadiums precious?

 

[Pete Cash]

I am very biased because I believe Josh Dugan is amazingly important to the team I support, but I will say this in defence of Hayne.

I don't think he is lazy. He just suffers from Mark Waugh/Damien Martyn syndrome when they were very very skilled so batting came naturally to them. So when they did something stupid it made them look like lazy mongs. Hayne is a very natural athlete and when he gets caught out of position he looks stupid and lazy.

 

[Paullyboy]

Both are very important.

Both certainly are important, but in top level rugby league, you'd expect your half and 5/8 to be filling those roles. I'd much rather have a fullback who is great at positioning themselves and defending and leave the attacking (which you underestimate Dugan at by the way) to the halves rather than have a fullback who scores a try and then gives one away. They might look good on highlight packages, but that's about it.

I know this is an extreme example, but it's the reason Merritt never will be anything better than a club winger. He's a great finisher, but for every try he scores, he usually lets in at least 1 as well.

 

[gorilla with a shotgun]

Ok?

Hayne:

19 Line break Assists
15 Try Assists


Dugan:

9 Line break Assists
8 Try Assitss

These stats may be because Mortimer and Robson are useless?? What are Slater's line break and try assists stats?

 

[Raider_69]

Dugan is far superior to Hayne in every aspect of fullback play. Maybe not halves play... but there can be no dispute over the fact Dugan is a better fullback than Hayne.

 

[Bobby DIGital]

Dugan's a better football player too IMHO of course. Hayne's a better athlete, but Dugan's a better player.

Your stupid if you're underestimating Dugan's kicking and passing ability. From what he's shown, it's been very crisp. He just doesn't have to put guys through gaps and put boot to ball often with our team structure. Too many cooks spoil the broth, and that's Parra's main problem. Hayne just gets in the way, plus he throws passes into the 3rd row anyway.

Dugan for the Kangaroo 4 nations squad.

 

[Y2Eel]

Dugan's a better football player too IMHO of course. Hayne's a better athlete, but Dugan's a better player.

Your stupid if you're underestimating Dugan's kicking and passing ability. From what he's shown, it's been very crisp. He just doesn't have to put guys through gaps and put boot to ball often with our team structure. Too many cooks spoil the broth, and that's Parra's main problem. Hayne just gets in the way, plus he throws passes into the 3rd row anyway.

Dugan for the Kangaroo 4 nations squad.

So Parra's main problem is we have too many playmakers? I can count 1 Hayne the rest cant create sh*t....But Hayne just gets in the way :?

Ive yet to see Hayne throw a pass into the 3rd row this season btw..

Also YHO is crap...
Most people who actually bag Hayne have big ass chips on their shoulders cos they think that their fullback is better....

 

[Nth-Qld-Raider]

The way Jarryd Hayne plays, he might be better suited to play 5/8, he's always up in the line, he likes to take the line on and ball play, Luke Burt would do a good job at fullback and Parra wouldn't lose anything in attack.

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

The way Jarryd Hayne plays, he might be better suited to play 5/8, he's always up in the line, he likes to take the line on and ball play, Luke Burt would do a good job at fullback and Parra wouldn't lose anything in attack.

That's a genius idea!! Why doesn't Ando do that!

 

[besthalfbackPEARCE]

Brett Stewart > both

 

[boxhead]

Dugan's a better football player too IMHO of course. Hayne's a better athlete, but Dugan's a better player.

Your stupid if you're underestimating Dugan's kicking and passing ability. From what he's shown, it's been very crisp. He just doesn't have to put guys through gaps and put boot to ball often with our team structure. Too many cooks spoil the broth, and that's Parra's main problem. Hayne just gets in the way, plus he throws passes into the 3rd row anyway.

Dugan for the Kangaroo 4 nations squad.

Mate, you are pulling 'facts' out of bullsh*t media stories. I accept you have your opinion and I agree that Dugan is the better fullback.
However, you seem to believe Dugan is the more naturally talented player....which anyone can tell you is wrong; most Raiders fans on this site and that I have met in person agree that Hayne is the more naturally talented player and the better athlete.

If this discussion is about fullbacks, then yes Dugan > Hayne.
If it is about the better player overall, then it is quite easily Hayne > Dugan.
I love Dugan as much as I love Hayne, but no-one else in Rugby League bar perhaps Greg Inglis is anywhere near as naturally talented as Jarryd Hayne is.

Still though, I reckon Dugan should be a given in NSW next year. Whether that is on the wing and playing the sniff up the middle style of Michael Gordon or being an interchange fullback much like Queensland did with Karmichael Hunt is the real question.

However, Dugan will not take Jarryd's spot in the 4 nations squad. I'm sure they will take him as a back-up for the outside backs, but aside from that he won't get involved. If Billy Slater is injured, Jarryd will move straight to fullback. I'm sorry, but Dugan won't take Jarryd's fullback spot in NSW or for Australia because the selectors know that when you compare the two at their best, and on consistency and their uses, Hayne will always be picked over Dugan.

Only way Dugan will ever play fullback for NSW is if Jarryd gets injured or if Jarryd Hayne moves to five-eighth. That is the only way it will ever happen; I'm sorry to break it to you, but it is the cold hard truth, and I'm not a fan of it either. If Jarryd does move to five-eighth, then that will be the best thing ever to have Dugan at fullback and Jarryd at five-eighth; could end up being one of the greatest half-fullback combinations ever.

 

[TheFrog]

Michael Gordon might have only got selected for his goal kicking but he's pretty much the form player in the NRL just about now. The Panthers would have to have a very successful finals series for him to be considered for Australia though. On the other hand, hard to imagine someone like Josh Dugan taking his NSW wing spot on current form.

 

[oldmancraigy]

The way Jarryd Hayne plays, he might be better suited to play 5/8, he's always up in the line, he likes to take the line on and ball play, Luke Burt would do a good job at fullback and Parra wouldn't lose anything in attack.

:crazy:

Let's not get carried away here!!

The comparison between Parramatta with Hayne at FB and Burt at FB is day and night. With Burt there we leak points like a rusted tinny and the attack doesn't function. Hayne is so much better for the Eels defence its not even funny (go check out the numbers yourself, they speak volumes - don't listen to the 'know it alls' on this forum who pretend that Hayne is hopeless defensively)

Hayne's best position by far is FB, it's not his fault he's playing with the 2 worst halves in the comp (and probably has the worst hooker to boot). He doesn't JUST play in the line as second receiver - he also happens to run into gaps in a 'traditional fullback style' quite often. Every now and then he comes in and delivers his trademark cut out to the winger - but very often he roams around looking to inject himself.

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

In 2007, before he got injured, Luke Burt was killing it at fullback for Parra. He was a major reason why we were winning.

I also did some stats on that year for Parra's defence, we actually leaked more points with Hayne at fullback then with Burt. However, we scored more points with Hayne at fullback then with Burt.

Also, you would think with the offloads and adlib style we play, Luke Burt's support play would be quite handy.

In an ideal world, Jarryd Hayne would be able to exploit his team mates best attributes and play the role of a great five eight. Physically and skill wise he could play five eight, but he doesn't have the head of a half.

 

[Bobby DIGital]

Dugan proved it again on the weekend.