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JT and GI to lead NRL support for Adam Goodes by performing Aboriginal War Dance

Canard

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Yeah that's the thing that makes me really angry about this situation. If people want to have a debate about it fine, just debate the facts not make up canards and misrepresent what Goodes has said. I think part of the reason Abbott has been so luke warm on this is that he doesn't want to offend the right wing commentators. Anyway.

Hey:sarcasm:

But yeh your spot on
 

LESStar58

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At what age does racism stop being ok?

How many people were boned up on their racial slurs at 13? I know I wasn't. I didn't even know that "kike" was a derogatory term for Jewish people or that the word "negro" is actually more offensive than "n****r" to some black people until my late teens/ early 20s.

To her it might have just been a throw away line but to him it was racial and he called her out on it. From then on its up to the parents to educate her.

The biggest disappoinment with Goodes is that he didn't go after Eddie Maguire with the same intensity after he suggested he could be used to promote the King Kong musical. Eddie should have known better but I don't recall Goodes holding a press conference claiming "racism has a voice and its Eddie Maguire".

To be honest I think this says more about the droogs who follow AFL than anything else. Anthony Mundine was probably viewed as "divisive" too but was never booed for his stance. Let's face it, if there was ever going to be an aboriginal player that was going to be booed for being a horses ass (and for no other reason) it would have been Choc. But he was allowed to play the game unmolested. Can't see the same level of vitriol directed at any aboriginal rugby league player.
 
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That's pretty rough mate... I got the feeling it was more about him actually feeling sorry to her when he spoke with her and wanting to ensure he made the point about racism generally rather than just one teenage girl.

Who's McChins though?

Eddie mcCollingwood .
& to me if you are going to make a stand against racism you don't pick & choose .
It seems to me that he had no problem pointing out a 13 yr old as The Face Of Racism,yet meekly decided to let McChins racist joke slide .

Why didn't he push to have him sacked?
 

LESStar58

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Eddie mcCollingwood .
& to me if you are going to make a stand against racism you don't pick & choose .
It seems to me that he had no problem pointing out a 13 yr old as The Face Of Racism,yet meekly decided to let McChins racist joke slide .

Why didn't he push to have him sacked?

Eddie is literally untouchable, mate. I think he's a flog but he is too big a draw card for his employers (Fox, Ausstero, news ltd) for them to reprimand him.
 

strong_latte

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Eddie mcCollingwood .
& to me if you are going to make a stand against racism you don't pick & choose .
It seems to me that he had no problem pointing out a 13 yr old as The Face Of Racism,yet meekly decided to let McChins racist joke slide .

Why didn't he push to have him sacked?

Oh right, that King Kong thing or whatever it was you mean? That's a pretty long bow as a comparison mate... The teenage girl thing happened right in front of him, whilst McGuires comment happened on air and Goodes didn't even hear about it until McGuire called him to apologize, so it's pretty far from a like for like comparison. Let's put it this way: it sure as heck ain't like Tony Abbott's confected outrage over slipper versus his probation BS with Bronnie.
 

typicalfan

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I think that the fact that both the girl and Eddie were making racist comments is the issue here, not Goodes reaction. Goodes isn't obliged to be equal in his stance at all. He is free to act and react as he needs to.

It is a rather weak argument imo.
 

SLRBRONCOS

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To her it might have just been a throw away line but to him it was racial and he called her out on it. From then on its up to the parents to educate her.

The biggest disappoinment with Goodes is that he didn't go after Eddie Maguire with the same intensity after he suggested he could be used to promote the King Kong musical. Eddie should have known better but I don't recall Goodes holding a press conference claiming "racism has a voice and its Eddie Maguire".

To be honest I think this says more about the droogs who follow AFL than anything else. Anthony Mundine was probably viewed as "divisive" too but was never booed for his stance. Let's face it, if there was ever going to be an aboriginal player that was going to be booed for being a horses ass (and for no other reason) it would have been Choc. But he was allowed to play the game unmolested. Can't see the same level of vitriol directed at any aboriginal rugby league player.

This. This. This.
 

RoosTah

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I think that the fact that both the girl and Eddie were making racist comments is the issue here, not Goodes reaction. Goodes isn't obliged to be equal in his stance at all. He is free to act and react as he needs to.

It is a rather weak argument imo.

Yeah, we're getting to that point now where some people are just grasping at anything to make Goodes the villain here... This new demand for perfect consistency in his reaction to every form of racism is just stupid. Eddie is in the public eye and he copped it from all directions when he made his dumbass comment and so Goodes was happy to just deal with it directly with him it seems.
 

Maximus

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FFS. Stop being so damn precious. Read where I said it was wrong to call him that.

Ok, at what age should we stop ignoring racism?

How many people were boned up on their racial slurs at 13? I know I wasn't. I didn't even know that "kike" was a derogatory term for Jewish people or that the word "negro" is actually more offensive than "n****r" to some black people until my late teens/ early 20s.

To her it might have just been a throw away line but to him it was racial and he called her out on it. From then on its up to the parents to educate her.

So should he call her out on it so she can be educated on it, or should he ignore it? Considering her mother still seems to believe she did nothing wrong, I don't see her getting that education at home.
 

Lockyer4President!

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I think that the fact that both the girl and Eddie were making racist comments is the issue here, not Goodes reaction. Goodes isn't obliged to be equal in his stance at all. He is free to act and react as he needs to.

It is a rather weak argument imo.

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typicalfan

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Yeah, we're getting to that point now where some people are just grasping at anything to make Goodes the villain here... This new demand for perfect consistency in his reaction to every form of racism is just stupid. Eddie is in the public eye and he copped it from all directions when he made his dumbass comment and so Goodes was happy to just deal with it directly with him it seems.

Well yeah apart from all that a lot of people know there is an inherent problem with racism in the AFL. I don't watch much at all but there are stories all the time about prejudice and awful off the cuff comments, sometimes it's like they are still stuck in the 70s. Most things that the AFL do to be seen to be doing something are just acts of tokenism anyway.
 

elbusto

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Yeah, we're getting to that point now where some people are just grasping at anything to make Goodes the villain here... This new demand for perfect consistency in his reaction to every form of racism is just stupid. Eddie is in the public eye and he copped it from all directions when he made his dumbass comment and so Goodes was happy to just deal with it directly with him it seems.

Saint Adam of roos tah shall we name him?
 

DiegoNT

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In the rush to paint Goodes as some kind of evil villain people in the afl media have came out with statements saying stuff like 'Goodes abused a 13 year old girl' 'the way he dragged out this poor girl' and even ' she'd only turned 13 the week before, technically she's still a 12 year old'. He is a summaries of how the situation happened
. Goodes is playing football. Person racially abuses Goodes. Goodes points her out to security to deal with. Goodes continued playing football.
Now if you believed the afl media, Goodes abused her, goodes dragged her onto the ground to be publicly whipped, Goodes led a lynch mob to the poor girls house after the game.
In fact the opposite happened, he showed compassion for the girl in the after effects, he made sure she was educated on why it was wrong and he asked the media to leave the girl alone and for people to show her support.
People say he called her 'the face of racism' but they are taking his words out of context. He said he racism had a face that day and it was a little girl and it saddened him, he then went on to explain that she is only an innocent child and she needs education on why it's wrong and she needs support.
Its far from abusing a little girl like people have made it out to be.
Now people are asking why he didn't goodes abuse eddie like he abused the girl. Well he wasn't actually in the same place as eddie at the time so he couldn't have the same reaction. Its like if someone called you a merkin to your face your going to have a different reaction to if you found out someone called you a merkin when your not around.
 

strong_latte

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Well yeah apart from all that a lot of people know there is an inherent problem with racism in the AFL. I don't watch much at all but there are stories all the time about prejudice and awful off the cuff comments, sometimes it's like they are still stuck in the 70s. Most things that the AFL do to be seen to be doing something are just acts of tokenism anyway.

There definitely is from what I've seen and heard (the old man is a west Australian who used to always have it on at home). The recent stuff with Sam Newman and Derpdederp Brereton show just how entrenched it is in their culture.
 

LESStar58

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So should he call her out on it so she can be educated on it, or should he ignore it? Considering her mother still seems to believe she did nothing wrong, I don't see her getting that education at home.

excellent question chief.

If The strength of the character of an individual is strong enough that they can ignore it, then fantastic.

However, if the individual being vilified has taken exception to a slur as Goodes has done then they have a right to their grievance. I think he called her out because he was genuinely hurt but the experience she has had might just serve as a learning experience too.

When I was young, I might have heard something said by a friend, or on TV etc without knowing the meaning behind it and repeated it. In the event this had happened and it was not appropriate you can bet your life that I would have been sat down by one or both of my parents and told "this is what this means and you cannot speak that way". Thankfully, this is the environment that I was raised in.

which brings me to the point of the girls mother and you make a very good point again. Does she think she's done nothing wrong because she's just standing up for her daughter or does she think she's done nothing wrong because she thinks Goodes is an "ape" as well? If its the latter then is it really any surprise that a) the girl spoke this way and b) her mother has not given her the "education" that she is seen to be in need of (Goodes made a mention of this in his press conference.

to be honest, the idea of racism is not something i work myself in to a lather about. I dont watch AFL but If those people want to boo him then they can. I'm not in to guessing whether or not it is racially motivated despite being told that it is by players, coaches, media etc that it is racist and bigoted.

The only thing that matters to me is how I decide to treat him. As I said... i do not watch AFL. I think he was within his rights to call the girl out for being racially vilified but I think he should have had the same level of outrage directed against a bloke who should have known better. Someone in here said he can pick and choose who to take action against to get his point across. That's fine. They are entitled to their opinion as I'm entitled to mine.

2 of my uncles married aboriginal women. I have 5 aboriginal cousins. The extended guests at family parties/weddings are aboriginal people. So I think from a young age there was an unspoken rule to be respectful of these people. So in the long run, I think I was fortunate in this regard because I found I was able to grow up and form a positive opinion of indigenous people. But there are people who do not share the same opinion and this will likely rub off on their children.

again, I'm not outraged by racism. And by that I'm not insisting that it is right or acceptable. Fact is, people have disliked each other for whatever reason for years. There really is nothing new under the sun so whenever an event like this occurs I don't join in with the PC brigade to condemn it or shake my head and tut tut the perpetrators.

If you don't like blacks, Jews, gays etc then that's on you. My actions and my attitudes towards blacks, Jews, gays etc are the only thing I care about and i find i get along with all 3 groups swimmingly... not that I know that many Jews but know plenty of aborigines and gays.
 
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magpie4ever

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excellent question chief.

If The strength of the character of an individual is strong enough that they can ignore it, then fantastic.

However, if the individual being vilified has taken exception to a slur as Goodes has done then they have a right to their grievance. I think he called her out because he was genuinely hurt but the experience she has had might just serve as a learning experience too.

When I was young, I might have heard something said by a friend, or on TV etc without knowing the meaning behind it and repeated it. In the event this had happened and it was not appropriate you can bet your life that I would have been sat down by one or both of my parents and told "this is what this means and you cannot speak that way". Thankfully, this is the environment that I was raised in.

which brings me to the point of the girls mother and you make a very good point again. Does she think she's done nothing wrong because she's just standing up for her daughter or does she think she's done nothing wrong because she thinks Goodes is an "ape" as well? If its the latter then is it really any surprise that a) the girl spoke this way and b) her mother has not given her the "education" that she is seen to be in need of (Goodes made a mention of this in his press conference.

to be honest, the idea of racism is not something i work myself in to a lather about. I dont watch AFL but If those people want to boo him then they can. I'm not in to guessing whether or not it is racially motivated despite being told that it is by players, coaches, media etc that it is racist and bigoted.

The only thing that matters to me is how I decide to treat him. As I said... i do not watch AFL. I think he was within his rights to call the girl out for being racially vilified but I think he should have had the same level of outrage directed against a bloke who should have known better. Someone in here said he can pick and choose who to take action against to get his point across. That's fine. They are entitled to their opinion as I'm entitled to mine.

2 of my uncles married aboriginal women. I have 5 aboriginal cousins. The extended guests at family parties/weddings are aboriginal people. So I think from a young age there was an unspoken rule to be respectful of these people. So in the long run, I think I was fortunate in this regard because I found I was able to grow up and form a positive opinion of indigenous people. But there are people who do not share the same opinion and this will likely rub off on their children.

again, I'm not outraged by racism. And by that I'm not insisting that it is right or acceptable. Fact is, people have disliked each other for whatever reason for years. There really is nothing new under the sun so whenever an event like this occurs I don't join in with the PC brigade to condemn it or shake my head and tut tut the perpetrators.

If you don't like blacks, Jews, gays etc then that's on you. My actions and my attitudes towards blacks, Jews, gays etc are the only thing I care about and i find i get along with all 3 groups swimmingly... not that I know that many Jews but know plenty of aborigines and gays.

How do you know a person is Jewish?
 

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