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The Game Judiciary & Match Review charges - 2022 season

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Think that’s a terrible look for the judiciary. Whilst there might not have been intent, it ends up a very dangerous tackle, and Cleary was entirely responsible for it ending up that way, he could have prevented it happening - I’d certainly argue that he had more ‘control’ and therefore opportunity to stop it ending the way it did than the Dragons guy did who got 5 weeks.
There’s no way there’s 5 weeks difference between the 2 incidents.
I agree that I think Cleary got lucky; but comparing to the Dragons situation:
- yes Cleary had more control. That is a good thing in this situation. And while it looked awkward (and probably more awkward than the Dragons tackle) as it occurred in slow motion, that control meant less force on the leg. Contributing factor to Walters getting up and playing the ball versus Dunster having a season of rehab?
- this is Cleary’s first tackle if this nature; he’s not a serial offender.
 

Mr. Shaman

First Grade
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Well. He’s been in for the Wackies. We’ll have a great match thread, a Raiders classic, and the greens have several nutters who are capable of fracking chins. So could be a win/win/win.
 

Chimp

Bench
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I agree that I think Cleary got lucky; but comparing to the Dragons situation:
- yes Cleary had more control. That is a good thing in this situation. And while it looked awkward (and probably more awkward than the Dragons tackle) as it occurred in slow motion, that control meant less force on the leg. Contributing factor to Walters getting up and playing the ball versus Dunster having a season of rehab?
- this is Cleary’s first tackle if this nature; he’s not a serial offender.
Serial offences don’t count this year as the judiciary re-set all priors before round 1, so no prior loading, which means the Dragons one has been judged as worth 5 more weeks - that just isn’t right.
For me, having more control actually makes it worse as it brings intent more to the fore - I don’t believe he was trying to injure, he was simply making the tackle in the only way he could given body positions, but that meant carrying out a dangerous technique. He hasn’t considered that by continuing it was dangerous (I don’t believe players often do, they’re just making a tackle in a split second and don’t really have time to think about potential consequences), so whilst he’s not deployed the dangerous tackle to cause injury, he’s deployed it to finish a tackle, without consideration of the danger - which lands it as careless, potentially reckless. He didn’t end up in that position ‘by accident’ which is what grade 1 should be - it was deliberate, and his immediate reaction on the ground when he realised showed that IMO, at the moment, he realised what he’d done and thought ‘shit, what have I done’
 

The_Frog

First Grade
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I agree that I think Cleary got lucky; but comparing to the Dragons situation:
- yes Cleary had more control. That is a good thing in this situation. And while it looked awkward (and probably more awkward than the Dragons tackle) as it occurred in slow motion, that control meant less force on the leg. Contributing factor to Walters getting up and playing the ball versus Dunster having a season of rehab?
- this is Cleary’s first tackle if this nature; he’s not a serial offender.
The only thing Cleary did wrong was stick his leg out.
 

SBD82

Coach
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Cleary shouldn’t have been charged for that tackle.

But if it was Fuimaiono he’d have been suspended for at least 3 weeks. The judiciary is absurdly inconsistent.
 

mave

Coach
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The NRL are clearly having a crackdown on tackling too hard.

Gotta keep those soccer mums happy so she lets little Johnny play on Saturday morning.

Just merge the sport with touch footy already and be done with it.
 

The_Frog

First Grade
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Shoulder to the head, arm not wrapped. Fair pinch in my view, very similar to the Paulo one, if anything more direct head contact. Tolman clearly in Disneyland after the hit.
 

Mr. Shaman

First Grade
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Shoulder to the head, arm not wrapped. Fair pinch in my view, very similar to the Paulo one, if anything more direct head contact. Tolman clearly in Disneyland after the hit.
That’s why they rorted the HIA rules and he was straight back on.
 

Frailty

First Grade
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The reverse angle was not good for Olakau'atu - the hit was directly to the head of Tolman, not not off his shoulder, etc. Tolman was crouched, but didn't drop before the hit. Clear message to players to fix up their technique - but players are quite slow.
 

Tony Seibs

Juniors
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That’s why they rorted the HIA rules and he was straight back on.
He wasn't sent for a HIA. It was a free interchange which was used to get him off for Fifita. A regular interchange was then used to sub Tolman back on for McInnes. No rule saying you've gotta sub off for any minimum length of time. No rort there.
 

Joeboy

Juniors
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What sharks and other clubs did in this instance is clearly against the spirit of the rule. The entire spirit of the game has basically been eroded by clueless law tweakers and conniving coaches.

don’t think haumole has much to answer for

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some11

Referee
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They need to rule on initial contact. Like Paulo it is shoulder to shoulder ffs.

Being rattled from a good hit does not mean you've been concussed and the tackler must be punished.
 
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