Kearney

[Poupou Escobar]

Bullshit Eels Dude. Have a look at the rosters. Compare them. It's that simple.

 

[Maroubra Eel]

Bullshit Eels Dude. Have a look at the rosters. Compare them. It's that simple.

:lol::lol:

 

[boxhead]

They're not exactly world beaters

Tonga is a good buy if he can stay on the park and injury free

Ben Roberts is NOT a first grader. You'll swear about him in due time next year. He couldn't crack it at dogs. I don't know why people are jumping up and down about this.

Johnny Mannah I'm very happy about. He's probably the best of the buys, which is funny because he probably was the cheapest.

I notice that you didn't write about Esi, or Tautai... hmmm?

Are you considering the re-signing of Lasalo as a great recruitment?

I never once said it was bad recruitment
i just said it wasn't THAT good
People on here are talking like it's the second coming of Christ or something.

It is not on the same level as the recruitment in '96
Tell me I'm wrong.

:lol: Not world-beaters? Mate compare our recruitment to every other team for next year, and then look at how we have recruited over the past decade. If that isnt great recruitment then what is? Signing six world class players and having crap depth? :lol: Willie Tonga is a current Australian and Queensland centre, the only left centre better than him in the world is Greg Inglis, but yet he is only a "good" buy?
Esi Tonga is a good young centre/winger, Taulima Tautai is a good player for depth, Chris Sandow was the best available half on the market, and you say why should I be happy about Lasalo but neglect Allgood, Tim Mannah, Jacob Loko, Marmin Barba, Rory Brien, Pat O'Hanlon and so on. Lets not forget we signed one of the best conditioning experts in the NRL to replace Hayden Knowles.
And yet you think we could have done better ir it isnt that good? :lol:

Boxhead, Poupou? Would you consider next year a failure if we don't make the eight? Would you re-sign Kearney for 2014 if we don't make the eight next year?

Well, it all depends on many factors, such as injuries, so I can't definitively say yes or no to those questions. I would however be inclined to say we should finish in or around the top eight, and I think we will go from there.

 

[The EELiminator]

Lets not forget we signed one of the best conditioning experts in the NRL to replace Hayden Knowles.

i missed that bit who did we get?

 

[Forty20]

i missed that bit who did we get?

Sean Burns from the Tigers.

 

[spiderdan]

Boxhead, Poupou? Would you consider next year a failure if we don't make the eight? Would you re-sign Kearney for 2014 if we don't make the eight next year?

2011 was a write off from day 1 for plenty of reasons that have been discussed elsewhere. With the lack of ability in our squad we did well to be in a lot of games. With the addition of sandow and Roberts we have a plans b-f to compliment this year's plan a (hayne).

In 2012, barring injury to key players, we should be pushing for a spot from 6th to 8th. If we finish any lower than 10th I'd be questioning things and expect a decent win/loss record by game 8 in 2013 before any talks of contract extensions.

That said I am confident that sk can make significant improvements to 2011.

 

[Eelementary]

They're not exactly world beaters

Tonga is a good buy if he can stay on the park and injury free

Ben Roberts is NOT a first grader. You'll swear about him in due time next year. He couldn't crack it at dogs. I don't know why people are jumping up and down about this.

Johnny Mannah I'm very happy about. He's probably the best of the buys, which is funny because he probably was the cheapest.

I notice that you didn't write about Esi, or Tautai... hmmm?

Are you considering the re-signing of Lasalo as a great recruitment?

I never once said it was bad recruitment
i just said it wasn't THAT good.
People on here are talking like it's the second coming of Christ or something.

It is not on the same level as the recruitment in '96
Tell me I'm wrong.

Willie and Esi Tonga were good signings - one is an Origin and Test star, and the other is a talented and young player on the rise. Both are far better options than what we had in 2011.

Ben Roberts, whether a First Grader or not, is miles ahead of Jeff Robson and Daniel Mortimer. We have seen what the bloke can do - give him a break.

Johnny Mannah is a good signing - but can you honestly tell me he'd be anywhere in out top 17? Poore, Timmy and Fui are certainties. I would wager Shack is another. Johnny has a tough road ahead of him.

I believe Tautai will surprise a lot of people - he was never as bad as people painted him. He runs hard and hits hard in defence. Second row is a position for which he was made for.

And I believe our recruitment in 2005 was the best recruitment we've had in the quite some time - one of the game's best wingers (who we converted into one of the game's elite centres); a former Queensland star rediscovering his spark; an under-rated workhorse; a prop who made metres like Bieber makes shit music; a hooker-cum-backrower who proved quite handy; and quite possibly our best signing in a LONG time in Glenn Morrison.

 

[Parra Pride]

Willie and Esi Tonga were good signings - one is an Origin and Test star, and the other is a talented and young player on the rise. Both are far better options than what we had in 2011.

Ben Roberts, whether a First Grader or not, is miles ahead of Jeff Robson and Daniel Mortimer. We have seen what the bloke can do - give him a break.

Johnny Mannah is a good signing - but can you honestly tell me he'd be anywhere in out top 17? Poore, Timmy and Fui are certainties. I would wager Shack is another. Johnny has a tough road ahead of him.

I believe Tautai will surprise a lot of people - he was never as bad as people painted him. He runs hard and hits hard in defence. Second row is a position for which he was made for.

And I believe our recruitment in 2005 was the best recruitment we've had in the quite some time - one of the game's best wingers (who we converted into one of the game's elite centres); a former Queensland star rediscovering his spark; an under-rated workhorse; a prop who made metres like Bieber makes shit music; a hooker-cum-backrower who proved quite handy; and quite possibly our best signing in a LONG time in Glenn Morrison.

You said cum.

 

[Kornstar]

Willie and Esi Tonga were good signings - one is an Origin and Test star, and the other is a talented and young player on the rise. Both are far better options than what we had in 2011.

Ben Roberts, whether a First Grader or not, is miles ahead of Jeff Robson and Daniel Mortimer. We have seen what the bloke can do - give him a break.

Johnny Mannah is a good signing - but can you honestly tell me he'd be anywhere in out top 17? Poore, Timmy and Fui are certainties. I would wager Shack is another. Johnny has a tough road ahead of him.

I believe Tautai will surprise a lot of people - he was never as bad as people painted him. He runs hard and hits hard in defence. Second row is a position for which he was made for.

And I believe our recruitment in 2005 was the best recruitment we've had in the quite some time - one of the game's best wingers (who we converted into one of the game's elite centres); a former Queensland star rediscovering his spark; an under-rated workhorse; a prop who made metres like Bieber makes shit music; a hooker-cum-backrower who proved quite handy; and quite possibly our best signing in a LONG time in Glenn Morrison.

Can't say I disagree with any of that! Glen Morrison was our best of the decade imo.

 

[HevyDevy]

Can't say I disagree with any of that! Glen Morrison was our best of the decade imo.

Widders though ...

 

[Kornstar]

Widders though ...

Widders ran out of steam imo, he was great until he got figured out.

 

[parra pete]

I believe Tautai will surprise a lot of people - he was never as bad as people painted him. He runs hard and hits hard in defence. Second row is a position for which he was made for.

.

Tautai saw a pussy cat....

 

[Gronk]

Tautai saw a pussy cat....

:lol: idiot :lol:

 

[Tizzun]

Widders ran out of steam imo, he was great until he got figured out.

True that, he played great up to our win over St George in round 18, then did very little.

 

[HevyDevy]

Widders ran out of steam imo, he was great until he got figured out.

Absolutely. Same with Solomona.

 

[MarkInTheStands]

Kearney may well be a good coach. From all reports he is a fantastic man manager. But he is yet to prove his worth in the week to week grind of the NRL.

Some have pointed to a poor roster, some have pointed to other issues as a reason for last seasons performance. If that is your opinion that is fine, but when I look back at the Season, from game one to game 23 and I see a trend, then I have to ask what causes that trend.

If it was a poor roster, why did it continue when we changed the halves, the centres, the back rowers, the full back, the prop rotation ? 65 minutes seems to be our maximum and I have f**k all idea why.

But as I said we capitulated more times than i can remember, but we had such a different side in game one as we did in the second to last game, that it makes me wonder if new recruits are going to fix the problem.

Kearney's future, will depend on results this upcoming season. If the club performs, then things will be good for him. If by May we don't see an improvement, and things aren't going well, then I would be very surprised if Kearney will be renewed past 2013.

So as I have said, I don't think Kearney has this year to perform, I think he has till the Rep week break.

What will happen after that, well if you know the story of the Zen Master, you will know the answer to that. . . "we'll see".

 

[Delboy]

Mark, you need to look at what you write

It couldnt change much because we had poor halves and centres, the players were shifted to try and counter that , but it did not cover the main problems ie no kicking game, no running game, no threat from the centres and no real theat from the wing.

The fact that we were in a number of games was probably a pointer to hopefully better things to come, if you think having Horo and Smith in the centres, and Robson et al in the halves was going to work , no matter the changes I am surprised

I would think you had better judgement than that

 

[Dogs Of War]

Ben Roberts, whether a First Grader or not, is miles ahead of Jeff Robson and Daniel Mortimer. We have seen what the bloke can do - give him a break.

As a Dogs fan, I was dirty on Ben Roberts being given the shaft. He was great in 2009, injured in 2010, and never got a chance this year with a decent halfback.

I think you will find that he is very serviceable, and the change of club may be the best thing for him, with everything to prove.

 

[MarkInTheStands]

Mark, you need to look at what you write

It couldnt change much because we had poor halves and centres, the players were shifted to try and counter that , but it did not cover the main problems ie no kicking game, no running game, no threat from the centres and no real theat from the wing.

The fact that we were in a number of games was probably a pointer to hopefully better things to come, if you think having Horo and Smith in the centres, and Robson et al in the halves was going to work , no matter the changes I am surprised

I would think you had better judgement than that

Del, I really don't appreciate the condescending crap mate.

We were in games up until the 65th minute, but failed to go on. We had leads of over 18 points (thats 3 tries) yet we managed to lose on several occasions. I can't see how that is a kicking game issue. I can't see how putting that on any one player is the best "Judgement", We failed as a team. Come the 65th minute we shut up shop. It was plain for all to see. I saw it on Television round 1 against the Warriors. I saw it with my own eyes in Townsville, I saw it live at Parramatta Stadium against the Roosters. Hell against the Roosters we could predicate it, the phenomena had become that repetitive.

Regardless of Robson in the halves (was he there for the last 6 games, no yet we still did it). Regardless of Mortimer playing or not. Regardless of Hayne being in 1 or 6. Regardless of different players shifting to centre or second row. We had a problem regardless of changes and it wasn't a problem scoring points . It was a problem of checking out of the game. Something our senior players will have to take responsibility for, as well as the coaching staff, now we have new head trainers and assistants and what all, that is great, we haven't changed the head coach, and the senior players are still the same, so now tell me how are we going to fix this problem, or are we thinking that all of a sudden with some new players here, when we get to a match winning lead we are finally going to go for the jugular ?

 

[spiderdan]

Del, I really don't appreciate the condescending crap mate.

We were in games up until the 65th minute, but failed to go on. We had leads of over 18 points (thats 3 tries) yet we managed to lose on several occasions. I can't see how that is a kicking game issue. I can't see how putting that on any one player is the best "Judgement", We failed as a team. Come the 65th minute we shut up shop. It was plain for all to see. I saw it on Television round 1 against the Warriors. I saw it with my own eyes in Townsville, I saw it live at Parramatta Stadium against the Roosters. Hell against the Roosters we could predicate it, the phenomena had become that repetitive.

Regardless of Robson in the halves (was he there for the last 6 games, no yet we still did it). Regardless of Mortimer playing or not. Regardless of Hayne being in 1 or 6. Regardless of different players shifting to centre or second row. We had a problem regardless of changes and it wasn't a problem scoring points . It was a problem of checking out of the game. Something our senior players will have to take responsibility for, as well as the coaching staff, now we have new head trainers and assistants and what all, that is great, we haven't changed the head coach, and the senior players are still the same, so now tell me how are we going to fix this problem, or are we thinking that all of a sudden with some new players here, when we get to a match winning lead we are finally going to go for the jugular ?

what you've just described is typical of a team devoid of options, which is pretty much the eels of 2011.

if you only have one mode of play, once your opposition figures you out, you have nothing (similar to using the same moves repeatedly in a video game). by contrast if your opposition has more than one mode of play, if things aren't working for them they have the luxury of being able to switch to something different to gain an advantage. lack of quality and depth was our downfall. if we fail to deliver some decent quality with the new signings then i'd be asking questions of the coaching staff.