Kearney

[IFR33K]

Can you prove to me that the rookie isn't rebuilding the club though?
And don't say 7/33.

Suity

You happy with player retention and recruitment

You happy with player selections.

You happy with use of bench.

Do you believe hayne, sandow and Roberts can work within SK structure.

To build a club, you need a good foundation, and SK isn't even getting the basics right.

We have gone backward sinse last year, with only the odd fan predicting next year to be better

The players are a good indicator, and at this stage things aren't panning. You wanna waste another 18 months experimenting, or should we part with our loses, and start again, with say JT or folkes.

 

[EelsFan05]

There's a difference between supporting a bloke and saying nothing. Plenty of our players have been silent on Kearney even as others publicly support him.

I can imagine the field day the media would have had had this played out:
Jurno: Whats your thoughts on the criticisim levelled at coach Kearney.
Hasler: ........ (silence).

 

[MarkInTheStands]

Can you prove to me that the rookie isn't rebuilding the club though?
And don't say 7/33.

Suity

Yes I can. But it is a long and complicated message.

Suffice to say we are burning through kids in the 20's like we have for the past 2 coaches (17 and 18 year olds getting lapped to give them experience), we are promoting whole sides to play against men when they are 19 or 20, and the way all the side have been playing show a distinct lack of pride passion and enthusiasm.

 

[Suitman]

Yes I can. But it is a long and complicated message.

Suffice to say we are burning through kids in the 20's like we have for the past 2 coaches (17 and 18 year olds getting lapped to give them experience), we are promoting whole sides to play against men when they are 19 or 20, and the way all the side have been playing show a distinct lack of pride passion and enthusiasm.

OK, Mark,

You have suggested that the way they are going about things is not right.
Besides sacking Kearney, what would you do differently?

Suity

 

[Poupou Escobar]

So they're the only experts you have ? We're not talking about fans I thought.

So how many experts have said we should sack him?

 

[Parra]

So how many experts have said we should sack him?

In private?


There are no genuine opinions that are aired.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

There's heaps of smart people here Suity.

No there isn't. Smart people tend to give rugby league a wide berth. Not saying they aren't out there, but smart league fans are definitely in the minority. Even on the internet.

Smart enough to know you don't bring in a rookie to rebuild a club. ;-);-)

The idiots are the ones that are yet to see it. :lol::lol:

You're kidding aren't you? There are a couple of smart posters here calling for Kearney's head (Gronk, Maroubra Eel, Eels Dude) but most of the smart ones - myself, Suitman, Ratchy, mickdo, bigfella, SDM - are of the thinking that sacking Kearney won't change anything.

Then at the other end of the spectrum, about 100% of the stupidest posters - yourself, bartman, Casper, True EEL and friends - are all shrieking SACK KEARNEY and throwing out nothing but 7/33 or whatever it is this week.

It's the people who want simple answers to a complex problem that want Kearney gone.

 

[Parra]

- are of the thinking that sacking Kearney won't change anything.

It will change the coach.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Kearney recruited Sandow/Roberts and he knew the style of game both these played and had Hayne who was in the same mould.

Instead of trying to change the style of your 3 attacking weapons to play structured, how about adapt and implement to take advantage of their strengths.

Hayne has been good all year, making heaps of linebreaks, scoring tries and setting them up. Even last night he set one up.

Roberts has been strong all year apart from the past two games.

Sandow was our best player right up until Hayne came back into the team.

The gameplan isn't the problem.

Also, if the boys have been told not to pass the ball, then why has Kearney's new favourite Matt Keating been our best offloader these past three weeks?

The fact is that expansive play is worthless unless it's off the back of a quick play-the-ball, and you're not going to get one of those if you're looking to offload as soon as you make contact with the defenders.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I can imagine the field day the media would have had had this played out:
Jurno: Whats your thoughts on the criticisim levelled at coach Kearney.
Hasler: ........ (silence).

How about "That's an internal issue for the Parramatta club. I just want to focus on my team's performance."

Hasler's got no problem deflecting a question he doesn't want to answer.

 

[Eels Dude]

So how many experts have said we should sack him?

When have any of these so called experts every suggested sacking anyone?

 

[Parra]

poupou you could give government spin doctors lessons. You are that good.

 

[MarkInTheStands]

OK, Mark,

You have suggested that the way they are going about things is not right.
Besides sacking Kearney, what would you do differently?

Suity

We start by slowing things down underneath the top grade. We have always pushed kids up and I am not sure that helps at our club. They leave and are still in the wilderness for 6 months then make their appearance at the other club and do things they could never do at Parramatta. I think what happens in those 6 months is what we have been missing for a while and what we are losing sight of as a club right now because we are rushing to a conclusion.

We are happy to see players progress, but they need to play in their own competitions and win. They need to understand the difference and try to bring that to their lower grades as we allow them to do with Junior Reps footy. Allowing the good players to know why they are playing instead of playing because they are good enough.

We also need to figure out what our club culture is and act on it. I get the feeling that there are 3 "Cultures" going around, 2 of them are closely aligned but still have issue with each other where the 3rd is very much not helping at the moment. They club needs to figure it out and go with it.

Part of that comes from the coaching staff, and while most have been calling out about our soft underbelly and are relieved it will be gone next year (supposedly) but that still leaves us with a divisive problem, and at this time I can't see how to fix it without talking about changing behind the scenes staff.

Doing all of this might mean we need to buy back the farm, get some players we have lost back into our system for a few years, but either way what ever we do we need to start improving fast or regardless of what ever plans are in place we could lose another crop of promising youngsters.

And before anyone says "that seems quite simple", Rugby league is not f**king rocket science, it is a game. You don't need to spend hours figuring out the mean time of a players development from 16 to first grade, you just need to get to know the people get to know the people around you, and help them do what is instinctive in them to do. I can't see us doing that at the moment.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

When have any of these so called experts every suggested sacking anyone?

Maybe because they know sacking coaches isn't the answer. Sacking coaches is a kneejerk response to fan or sponsor outrage. It has nothing to do with improving a team.

 

[Far Canal]

Maybe because they know sacking coaches isn't the answer. Sacking coaches is a kneejerk response to fan or sponsor outrage. It has nothing to do with improving a team.

I dare say sacking the coach will improve the team. Kearney has shown by his mediocre record he has NFI idea about coaching.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

And before anyone says "that seems quite simple", Rugby league is not f**king rocket science, it is a game.

But organisational culture is not a game; it is extremely complicated, and your fallback that 'rugby league is a simple game' points again to the simplistic idea that our club's problems are tactical.

Otherwise, good post and thanks for sharing. You may well be right about most of it.

Personally I trust our staff (who come from the Broncos and Storm organisations) when it comes to player development. I think they are great models for junior development for a club with our resources.

The Broncos have a bit of an advantage in that all of the clubs competing with them for Brisbane-based junior players are outside that city. But the Storm are behind the 8-ball (for juniors at least) in that none of the kids they recruit into their junior system are local.

Our situation is right between those two.

 

[Parra]

I dare say sacking the coach will improve the team. Kearney has shown by his mediocre record he has NFI idea about coaching.

Stop expecting results and you will start to understand the plan.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I dare say sacking the coach will improve the team. Kearney has shown by his mediocre record he has NFI idea about coaching.

He has shown by his ability to get coaching jobs with three different organisations that he does indeed know about coaching.

 

[Parra]

But organisational culture is not a game; it is extremely complicated,

A footy club is about as simple as it gets.

You don't even need to set or measure goals. It is all done for you.

 

[Parra]

He has shown by his ability to get coaching jobs with three different organisations that he does indeed know about coaching.

At two he has shown he can carry the bags for the head coach.

At the eels he has shown he needs a head coach.