Kearney

[Hooch]

It's not that your losing, it's that you're not even competing.

I'm amazed any of you have even an ounce of faith in Kearney now. There is something very wrong at the club.

 

[MarkInTheStands]

He must be scratching his head why they don't, like we all are.
It's not as if he doesn't ask them to.

Suity

I heard a funny story about that last year. They players were all briefed on the game plan everyone knew their role, went out there and what happened on the pitch for the first 40 minutes was nothing like the game plan. They came back in, and were asked what happened to the game plan, the second 40 minutes following the game plan they went okay but still lost in a close one (surprise, surprise).

There are other stories that people from outside our club are hearing that the inside of our club is being ruined by egos. From the fringes I think we can all see that so the question is, if Kearney is the right man for the job, can he handle the egos in play, and if not, we can be done to help?

 

[Kornstar]

I heard a funny story about that last year. They players were all briefed on the game plan everyone knew their role, went out there and what happened on the pitch for the first 40 minutes was nothing like the game plan. They came back in, and were asked what happened to the game plan, the second 40 minutes following the game plan they went okay but still lost in a close one (surprise, surprise).

There are other stories that people from outside our club are hearing that the inside of our club is being ruined by egos. From the fringes I think we can all see that so the question is, if Kearney is the right man for the job, can he handle the egos in play, and if not, we can be done to help?

Sounds like what ultimately done Hagan in........if SK can push through that and sort it out, he will be a very successful coach........

In 18 months he hasn't been able to, next year with one of the ego's gone, will be interesting to see how we start.........

 

[Gronk]

Hindy has an ego ? Unable to follow a game plan ? WTF ?

 

[born an eel]

Hindy has an ego ? Unable to follow a game plan ? WTF ?

exactly my thoughts,

Hindy may not be a forceful enough captain to pull the egos in line but wouldn't be one of the ones leading the team away from the set plan.

 

[parra pete]

It's not that your losing, it's that you're not even competing.

I'm amazed any of you have even an ounce of faith in Kearney now. There is something very wrong at the club.

:shock: :shock:

 

[Kornstar]

Hindy has an ego ? Unable to follow a game plan ? WTF ?

Just because a player follows a game plan doesn't mean he doesn't have an ego.

Hindy and Hayne have never seen eye to eye, often clashed and if you think that doesn't have an effect you are kidding.

One of them will be gone next year, will be interesting to see if there is any change.

Having an ego also doesn't make you any less of a club legend either!!

 

[Gronk]

Yes there is no argument from me about egos. All elite sportsman have egos.

My surprise is that Hindy is being singled out as a contributor to the failure to follow a game plan. I would have though that the hooker and the halves either side of the ruck (and the FB who might take over from time to time) had far more influence of how the game pans out, rather than Hindy the plodder.

 

[Kornstar]

Yes there is no argument from me about egos. All elite sportsman have egos.

My surprise is that Hindy is being singled out as a contributor to the failure to follow a game plan. I would have though that the hooker and the halves either side of the ruck (and the FB who might take over from time to time) had far more influence of how the game pans out, rather than Hindy the plodder.

Who's suggesting that he is the reason for failure of the game plan?

I'm just suggesting he is one of the egos. Indirectly the ego conflict will create disharmony which in turn distracts the team from following a game plan. SK is then the person responsible for ensuring that doesn't happen.

Hindy retiring will put that theory to test next year, Kearney's last chance!

 

[Bazal]

Lol...blame everyone but the coach...whats so special about this one that he gets away with being awful at his job? He's worse than Anderson, Hagan, Taylor, and Smith. They were all slammed, yet this no hoper gets excuse after excuse made for him.

The buck stops with the coach. Always has, always will. If he can't get what he wants out of the players, if he is too meek to impose himself on the team, then he goes. Simple. They set a precedent with one year of failure from Anderson, we've now had one year of failure and this year we have gone backwards as a side and are doing even worse.

Personally I don't see it anyway. I just think he has a terrible game plan, he bought the wrong players for his plan in Sandow and Roberts, and he won't see it because he's quite simply the worst coach in the game at the moment. I don't care about his academy, I don't care about his 5 year plan. Make him head of junior development if you like, but if anyone is denying that he's an awful coach then they are simply blind.

 

[born an eel]

Who's suggesting that he is the reason for failure of the game plan?

I'm just suggesting he is one of the egos. Indirectly the ego conflict will create disharmony which in turn distracts the team from following a game plan. SK is then the person responsible for ensuring that doesn't happen.

Hindy retiring will put that theory to test next year, Kearney's last chance!

are you sure your not getting confused between Ego and self confidence

e·go

   [ee-goh, eg-oh] Show IPA
noun, plural e·gos. 1. the “I” or self of any person; a person as thinking, feeling, and willing, and distinguishing itself from the selves of others and from objects of its thought.

Hindy seems to always use the term "we" when discussing the team. He never seems to put himself above the team.

 

[DeanPay98]

I don't believe that Hindmarsh would do anything to hurt the Eels. I don't believe that Hayne would either. They might have had different views at times, but I can't say as I don't personally know either of them. If that has happened its nothing unusual given their age differences.

It does seem that past coaches were held to one standard and that the current coach is being held to another.

I was at Sunday's game in Canberra. You could predict when most of the defensive lapses would occur. Tired defenders make mistakes. Which begs the question of why certain players are left on the field when they are tired. These were coaching mistakes as much as anything else.

 

[born an eel]

I don't believe that Hindmarsh would do anything to hurt the Eels. I don't believe that Hayne would either. They might have had different views at times, but I can't say as I don't personally know either of them. If that has happened its nothing unusual given their age differences.

It does seem that past coaches were held to one standard and that the current coach is being held to another.

I was at Sunday's game in Canberra. You could predict when most of the defensive lapses would occur. Tired defenders make mistakes. Which begs the question of why certain players are left on the field when they are tired. These were coaching mistakes as much as anything else.

which has in my opinion always been a worry how SK uses the bench.
It has been suggested that they go into a game withh a set plan of who will come off when and they appear not to deviate from this preconcieved plan to suit the way the game is going.

 

[Eels Dude]

which has in my opinion always been a worry how SK uses the bench.
It has been suggested that they go into a game withh a set plan of who will come off when and they appear not to deviate from this preconcieved plan to suit the way the game is going.

That even goes back to last year when we got run down at the back-end of games becuase players like Billy Rogers and Pat O'Hanlon were left sitting on the interchange bench all game meaning all the players on the field were tiring faster.

 

[spartan2153]

Kearney should not be sacked on last year as he had no input he should be sacked on this years results

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Yes there is no argument from me about egos. All elite sportsman have egos.

My surprise is that Hindy is being singled out as a contributor to the failure to follow a game plan. I would have though that the hooker and the halves either side of the ruck (and the FB who might take over from time to time) had far more influence of how the game pans out, rather than Hindy the plodder.

I agree there are massive issues in the club, but it looks to me like an issue of unity and lack of confidence in the next player, rather than anything wrong with the gameplan.

That comes down to leadership (and yes the coach should be providing that but there's only so much he can do when two key personalities on significant contracts just don't like each other.

 

[Far Canal]

Yeh, I am trying to be sensible and not emotional. Hence my posts mate.
And yes, it is about leadership and motivation.
And yes, it is a results driven business.
And yes, he HAS failed. So far.

I'm not sticking up for SK because I voted that 3P mob in. It's got nothing to do with my opinion and I'm sure some here think it has.

I'm sticking up for SK (and I'm sick of saying it :roll because I actually believe several things.

I'll repeat it once more and I'll make all my points very clear so I don't have to repeat it again. :roll:

1. I'm not happy with how we are placed. I f**king hate it.
2. I hate watching us lose, and how we lose. I just wish any of you could see the shitty mood I am in before, during and after a game either when I'm at the game, or when I'm home.
3. I want to smash the plasma when I see shit play from us.
4. I hate coming on here and reading little girls crying.
5. I honestly think Kearney is the man who will turn us around.
6. I never thought Hagan could, but I did think Anderson might. I was excited he signed with us. He quickly dispelled my thoughts after we failed in 2010. He really taught us nothing, despite the miracle run in '09.
7. I've said it before and I'll say it again. For some reason, I truly believe that Kearney will get us out of this mess, even though we are in it. I have more faith that he is the coach that can do it than any we've had recently. That means Hagan, Anderson and Taylor.

8. I may well be proven wrong and so be it.
I just think he has a presence that will eventually get us there, and I'd hate for us to waste it, and see some other club succeed with him, just because we were reactionary.

I've followed us since the early 70's, and it's just the way I feel.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.

Suity

Suity - given your emotional justifications in points 1- 4, point 5 is a contradiction as there is no lucid explanation for it other than point 7 (i.e. gut feeling).

I think all of us in this forum have the best interest of the Eels at heart and like a family, it can be dysfunctional. However I can't for the life of me see how SK will get out of this mess. Like you if I am wrong then I am wrong but I base my argument on the raw statistics which is 7 out of 34 and not some intangibles.

 

[Avenger]

I agree there are massive issues in the club, but it looks to me like an issue of unity and lack of confidence in the next player, rather than anything wrong with the gameplan.

That comes down to leadership (and yes the coach should be providing that but there's only so much he can do when two key personalities on significant contracts just don't like each other.

One is going soon so it's irrelevant. Answering your earlier question instead of Lasalo, McGuire and Morgan I would go with POH, Seage and Toutai.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

which has in my opinion always been a worry how SK uses the bench.
It has been suggested that they go into a game withh a set plan of who will come off when and they appear not to deviate from this preconcieved plan to suit the way the game is going.

Not true.

When asked why he left Hindy out there for 80 minutes he said he uses Hindy depending on what the game requires.

Fui and Paulo both spend time on the edge and in the middle, once again in response to the way the game is taking shape.

 

[DeanPay98]

Suity - given your emotional justifications in points 1- 4, point 5 is a contradiction as there is no lucid explanation for it other than point 7 (i.e. gut feeling).

I think all of us in this forum have the best interest of the Eels at heart and like a family, it can be dysfunctional. However I can't for the life of me see how SK will get out of this mess. Like you if I am wrong then I am wrong but I base my argument on the raw statistics which is 7 out of 34 and not some intangibles.

Totally agree. I also think that point 4 shows a complete lack of respect for other forum users.