Kearney's DUBIOUS team selections/use of the bench YET AGAIN!

[Kornstar]

If you're uncomfortable with a million, how about 'shitloads'?

We've lost Mateo, Inu, Grothe, Keating, Cayless and Tahu and replaced them with Paul Whatuira and friends.

How much do you think we're under the cap by?

We signed Reni, McGuire, Walker, Whatuira, Hicks, they could all be on decent money for all we know!

Hayne would be getting a substantial amount, Hindy is very well paid. We don't know what players like Mannah or MK are on.

I would say we are about 400k under at the most, saying we are a million under is the easy way out.

 

[spartan2153]

Why would he ask for an extension when he had a year to run?

He was testing to see his support. Good on him for doing that.

 

[Eels Dude]

If you're uncomfortable with a million, how about 'shitloads'?

We've lost Mateo, Inu, Grothe, Keating, Cayless and Tahu and replaced them with Paul Whatuira and friends.

How much do you think we're under the cap by?

It all comes down to other contract upgrades though, and backloaded contracts. Not to mention early termination payouts which still count under the cap. None of us really know our situation salary cap wise this year. If we were a million under then we'd have to be even more under next year, which is unlikely otherwise we'd be on a bigger spending spree.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

We signed Reni, McGuire, Walker, Whatuira, Hicks, they could all be on decent money for all we know!

Because they'd all demand big paychecks right?

They were a bunch of players no club wanted.

Hayne would be getting a substantial amount, Hindy is very well paid.

f**k you're thick.

These two were already at the club. Their contracts aren't going to indicate how much we're under the cap by - only players coming and going since last year will do that.

We don't know what players like Mannah or MK are on.

Mannah would have gotten an upgrade but only so we could front-load his extension into this year's massive salary cap black hole. MK would be on what he was on before.

I would say we are about 400k under at the most, saying we are a million under is the easy way out.

No it's the logical conclusion.

If we were at the cap last year, and we lost Mateo, Inu, Cayless, Grothe and Tahu - all blokes who would have been on $250k+ as well as Kris Keating, and replaced them with a bunch of guys looking for one last shot at the NRL, how can you say the aggregate drop in contract value would only have been $400k?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

He was testing to see his support. Good on him for doing that.

So what then? The board didn't want to keep him, wouldn't it be best if they part ways?

He had the opportunity to go and find another coaching job. Win-win for him and the club.

 

[300]

For gods sake can we give him a chance??

Look at the mess we are in cause of the amount of coaches we have had since 06....

 

[Poupou Escobar]

It all comes down to other contract upgrades though, and backloaded contracts. Not to mention early termination payouts which still count under the cap.

You're missing the point that we lost a lot of quality and replaced it with what was available (very little quality) - the contract values were irrelevant.

None of us really know our situation salary cap wise this year.

No but we do know we have far less quality in our squad than last year. Especially in the outside backs. This is undeniable, so why are you obfuscating?

If we were a million under then we'd have to be even more under next year, which is unlikely otherwise we'd be on a bigger spending spree.

Not true.

Many of our youngsters will have a year of first grade under their belts which will easily have doubled their value. Add to that $700k-$800k worth of players coming next year, and I doubt the guys we're losing would be on very much. Then there's Mannah's upgrade which would be pretty big.

I'm sure we're still under the cap for next year but nowhere near as much as we are right now.

 

[spartan2153]

Da signed Webb, matuia, atkins & Murray. Kearney signed walker, hicks, whatuira & Rogers. Grothe retired & kearney let go of tahu. So really its only grothe who retired leaving us short a winger.

We may be under by a few hundred thousand that's about it.

Most players signed by new clubs are unwanted.

 

[Kornstar]

Because they'd all demand big paychecks right?

They were a bunch of players no club wanted.



f**k you're thick.

These two were already at the club. Their contracts aren't going to indicate how much we're under the cap by - only players coming and going since last year will do that.



Mannah would have gotten an upgrade but only so we could front-load his extension into this year's massive salary cap black hole. MK would be on what he was on before.



No it's the logical conclusion.

If we were at the cap last year, and we lost Mateo, Inu, Cayless, Grothe and Tahu - all blokes who would have been on $250k+ as well as Kris Keating, and replaced them with a bunch of guys looking for one last shot at the NRL, how can you say the aggregate drop in contract value would only have been $400k?

You have no idea how some of the contracts are structured, who's to say Hayne, Hindy and Mannah aren't all getting a butt load this year and much less next year?

Debating cap space is pointless because we know nothing about the details of each contract!

Reni may have got paid a crap load of his money this year because he has been out for 2 yeas and needed money, he may get bugger all next year for all we know.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

For gods sake can we give him a chance??

Look at the mess we are in cause of the amount of coaches we have had since 06....

I think a lot of people are bitter about Anderson getting the arse so they want Kearney punted before the end of his contract too.

 

[Kornstar]

I think a lot of people are bitter about Anderson getting the arse so they want Kearney punted before the end of his contract too.

Who wants him sacked though?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Da signed Webb, matuia, atkins & Murray. Kearney signed walker, hicks, whatuira & Rogers. Grothe retired & so let go of tahu. So really its only grothe who retired leaving us short a winger.

That doesn't change the fact we've lost good players since last year and replaced them with deadshits.

How many first grade games have the new guys played between them? McGuire's the only one who's played nearly every game.

Compare that to all the regular first graders we lost from last year (5 of them).

We may be under by a few hundred thousand that's about it.

We've replaced five regular first graders with one first teamer + a bunch of reserve graders. How does that equate to a few hundred thousand?

Most players signed by new clubs are unwanted.

Only the shit ones.

The good ones are usually subject to a bidding war, and if they're not it's because only one club was willing to pay their asking price.

 

[Eels Dude]

You're missing the point that we lost a lot of quality and replaced it with what was available (very little quality) - the contract values were irrelevant.



No but we do know we have far less quality in our squad than last year. Especially in the outside backs. This is undeniable, so why are you obfuscating?



Not true.

Many of our youngsters will have a year of first grade under their belts which will easily have doubled their value. Add to that $700k-$800k worth of players coming next year, and I doubt the guys we're losing would be on very much. Then there's Mannah's upgrade which would be pretty big.

I'm sure we're still under the cap for next year but nowhere near as much as we are right now.

That furthers my point. Jarryd Hayne and Daniel Mortimor's new contracts only kicked off this year, 2011. They both would have recieved quite large upgrades in comparison to their previous contracts. Mort's was still on an Under 20's contract last year. There was also talk of Poore's contract being backloaded. And I think you'll find both Grothe and Tahu recieved partial payment for this year too which counts under the cap.

So you can look and say by our squad we're a million under the cap, but that's just speculation unless you know the ins and outs of every contract.

 

[spartan2153]

I think a lot of people are bitter about Anderson getting the arse so they want Kearney punted before the end of his contract too.

True about the bitter part but the problem is kearney was praised as the guy to take us back to the semis this year. People can say all they like about the cattle but at the end of the day its about the spine & kearnwy has proved what ra did to keep us competitive with this spine was a miracle

 

[Poupou Escobar]

You have no idea how some of the contracts are structured, who's to say Hayne, Hindy and Mannah aren't all getting a butt load this year and much less next year?

Debating cap space is pointless because we know nothing about the details of each contract!

Reni may have got paid a crap load of his money this year because he has been out for 2 yeas and needed money, he may get bugger all next year for all we know.

It's beside the point you f**king moron.

We're talking about the quality in the roster. We have much less quality than last year.

We have so much less quality it's a joke. This is the squad Kearney has to deal with. No previous coach has had to deal with this.

Stop clutching at straws and arguing the value of player salaries and admit Kearney has a shit team to work with. This is the point here.

 

[Eels Dude]

Poupou, you were the one who made the claim that this year's side is a million dollars under the cap. So you can't make that claim and then turn around and say we're not talking about dollars we're talking about quality. If you hadn't made that statement then nobody would be discussing it.

 

[spartan2153]

It's beside the point you f**king moron.

We're talking about the quality in the roster. We have much less quality than last year.

We have so much less quality it's a joke. This is the squad Kearney has to deal with. No previous coach has had to deal with this.

Stop clutching at straws and arguing the value of player salaries and admit Kearney has a shit team to work with. This is the point here.

If we are a few hundred thousand under the cap its irrelevant what the roster is like all that matters is how much we have spent.

Every argument here has been about how much under we are. Hence why our roster is supposedly crap. Now ur saying our roster is crap so its irrelevant how much we are under now

 

[Poupou Escobar]

That furthers my point. Jarryd Hayne and Daniel Mortimor's new contracts only kicked off this year, 2011.

But both those players were already here. The previous coach had these players as well. They're not new additions bought specially for Kearney.

So they're irrelevant.

We're talking about gains and losses from last year - this thread is about how Kearney is doing worse with this year's squad than last year's coach. Players that were here both years are constants not variables.

They both would have recieved quite large upgrades in comparison to their previous contracts. Mort's was still on an Under 20's contract last year. There was also talk of Poore's contract being backloaded. And I think you'll find both Grothe and Tahu recieved partial payment for this year too which counts under the cap.

All irrelevant. The good players we have this year were also here last year. However many of the best players from last year are no longer at the club. Poore and Reddy have a long-term injuries.

So you can look and say by our squad we're a million under the cap, but that's just speculation unless you know the ins and outs of every contract.

For the purposes of discussing player talent we are a million under the cap - five of last year's first team are gone and only one was replaced with an established first grader. The rest were replaced by last year's reserve graders.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

True about the bitter part but the problem is kearney was praised as the guy to take us back to the semis this year.

Not by me.

I picked us to finish 9th-12th and that's only because of the quality of our coach. With the players we've lost we should be challenging for the spoon.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

People can say all they like about the cattle but at the end of the day its about the spine & kearnwy has proved what ra did to keep us competitive with this spine was a miracle

What Anderson did in '09 wasn't about the spine at all, and in that it was good coaching.

Just like the Dragons right now, the 2009 Eels didn't rely on their spine as much as other teams. The Dragons use a lot of simple shifts before the line whereas the '09 Eels offloaded a lot.

You could say Anderson coached the team well in '09 until you wonder why he tried to get away from what worked last year. I guess he was right when he said he didn't know what happened in 2009.