Keep Mary

[The calm one]

Again I question the belief of people who have posted so positively and been hell bent on dismissing anyone with any negativity and then you guys take the insurance policy of missing the top 8 as the criteria for sacking him.
So as far as you're concerned it doesn't matter that we miss the top 7 spots as long as we limp into 8th it's a pass mark and he keeps his job.
No attempt by the optimists to be optimistic and raise the bar.
You dream about top 4 or maybe even 2 but you really don't want to use it as a criteria for what is acceptable.
FMD for all the stuff that has been written about how good it all is and how Mary has turned the corner improving 1 lousy spot on the ladder is good enough for you.
Impossible for me to even consider that as acceptable.

You talk about 1 lousy spot on the ladder. If you honestly can not see them improvement in this both with attack and defence stats to back it up, stay on the bong. You are to far gone. Just wear a helmet to bed, remember that ceiling

 

[Old Timer]

You talk about 1 lousy spot on the ladder. If you honestly can not see them improvement in this both with attack and defence stats to back it up, stay on the bong. You are to far gone. Just wear a helmet to bed, remember that ceiling

FMD you can be silly at times, at least try and follow the thread and the individual conversations that are often contained within them.
Alecs- saints has been lambasting people for being in his opinion negative, pessimistic, doubting or uttering anything other than how wonderful it all is and how wrong anyone else is if they don't subscribe to his views.
When push came to shove he has said that if we finish 8th Mary gets a pass mark.
So here we are rocketing along in 1st place with all the optimists getting their rocks off and when one of them ( Alec) is put to the test the best he can come up with is 8th which is 1 position higher than last year.
So therefore in his opinion it is ok to piss up against the wall whatever improvements we have made year to date and it is also ok to go from 1st to eighth and the coach keep his job.
Instead of understanding this argument you decide to try and kick my arse for evidently not thinking we have improved which is totally incorrect.
I believe we have improved and I have stated I like the improved style we play with however I still maintain that there is enough similarity between the way the bench and juniors are being managed this year to previous years for me to say it will cost us in the long run if it we don't change it.
Don't get confused that just because I would like to see change that I don't like what presently happens (save the argument re juniors and bench)
I maintain my thoughts are simply that I would like to see it all continue but have no faith that burn out will not occur if we persist with these tactics as we did in the last 2 years.
If you think Mc Fookknuckle has found a way to prevent burn out and fatigue without changing his bench tactics I believe you are sadly mistaken.

 

[ouryears]

Again I question the belief of people who have posted so positively and been hell bent on dismissing anyone with any negativity and then you guys take the insurance policy of missing the top 8 as the criteria for sacking him.
So as far as you're concerned it doesn't matter that we miss the top 7 spots as long as we limp into 8th it's a pass mark and he keeps his job.
No attempt by the optimists to be optimistic and raise the bar.
You dream about top 4 or maybe even 2 but you really don't want to use it as a criteria for what is acceptable.
FMD for all the stuff that has been written about how good it all is and how Mary has turned the corner improving 1 lousy spot on the ladder is good enough for you.
Impossible for me to even consider that as acceptable.

Sick of the vitriol

 

[The calm one]

FMD you can be silly at times, at least try and follow the tread and the individual conversations that are often contained within them.
Alecs- saints has been lambasting people for being in his opinion negative, pessimistic, doubting or uttering anything other than how wonderful it all is and how wrong anyone else is if they don't subscribe to his views.
When push came to shove he has said that if we finish 8th Mary gets a pass mark.
So here we are rocketing along in 1st place with all the optimists getting their rocks off and when one of them ( Alec) is put to the test the best he can come up with is 8th which is 1 position higher than last year.
So therefore in his opinion it is ok to piss up against the wall whatever improvements we have made year to date and it is also ok to go from 1st to eighth and the coach keep his job.
Instead of understanding this argument you decide to try and kick my arse for evidently not thinking we have improved which is totally incorrect.
I believe we have improved and I have stated I like the improved style we play with however I still maintain that there is enough similarity between the way the bench and juniors are being managed this year to previous years for me to say it will cost us in the long run if it we don't change it.
Don't get confused that just because I would like to see change that I don't like what presently happens (save the argument re juniors and bench)
I maintain my thoughts are simply that I would like to see it all continue but have no faith that burn out will not occur if we persist with these tactics as we did in the last 2 years.
If you think Mc Fookknuckle has found a way to prevent burn out and fatigue without changing his bench tactics I believe you are sadly mistaken.

I am not getting my rocks off at all. I stated in paragraph form why Mary should retain his job. If you care to actually read my reasons you will find there is more to it, then our position on the ladder and your bench rotation. If you still cant get my reasoning as to why he should retain his position , then get your 4 year old sister, niece whatever to help you. Trust me it is explained in common English

 

[Old Timer]

I don’t like LL as a player personally but I have not lumped his poor performance on anyone. Take the red one’s, put the bong down and go to bed. Watch the ceiling it may come out and bite you

My bad it was mickeylane so apology extended.

 

[Brutalitops]

Lol I think this thread has triggered old mate OT. I cringe every time I read McFookknuckle, pretty happy that it never really caught on because it's lazy and worst of all isn't even clever. I mean at least McWrecker works, but they're all tenuous as hell

Anyway this thread is currently pointless, as is the Sack MC thread. There are no need for any calls at this point in time so all they do is stir up the sensitive among the forum on both sides

 

[Dragonslayer]

Well this thread went down faster than a toothless hooker.

I actually get both sides of the arguement.
Yes, we are 7 and 1 and playing a far more enterprising brand of football than in previous years. Having a recognised half, a fullback with some X factor and a beast mode forward line.
Of course the negative side is as strong as we have been here before and suffered the embarressing fall from grace. I agree we have problems thag are lurking just beneath the surface. Forward burnout (although currently playing less minutes than in previous seasons), bench rotation and giving the 2nd wave enough minutes to he ready when required.
Our current ladder position is stronger than in previous seasons with the chasing pack seemingly cancelling each other out, so there is reason for optimism.
Keep McGregor, well the pessimist in me says wait till seasons end to find out where we sit. The optimist in me says we are in the best position to at least play finals football.

 

[The calm one]

Well this thread went down faster than a toothless hooker.

I actually get both sides of the arguement.
Yes, we are 7 and 1 and playing a far more enterprising brand of football than in previous years. Having a recognised half, a fullback with some X factor and a beast mode forward line.
Of course the negative side is as strong as we have been here before and suffered the embarressing fall from grace. I agree we have problems thag are lurking just beneath the surface. Forward burnout (although currently playing less minutes than in previous seasons), bench rotation and giving the 2nd wave enough minutes to he ready when required.
Our current ladder position is stronger than in previous seasons with the chasing pack seemingly cancelling each other out, so there is reason for optimism.
Keep McGregor, well the pessimist in me says wait till seasons end to find out where we sit. The optimist in me says we are in the best position to at least play finals football.

Can I take the body armour off now, please get permission off old timer

 

[Old Timer]

I am not getting my rocks off at all. I stated in paragraph form why Mary should retain his job. If you care to actually read my reasons you will find there is more to it, then our position on the ladder and your bench rotation. If you still cant get my reasoning as to why he should retain his position , then get your 4 year old sister, niece whatever to help you. Trust me it is explained in common English

I read your post and just don't agree with your reasoning.

1. 1. He had halves combinations he couldn't coach and we are lucky that Hunt is a cut above all other halves we have had. I give little credit to anyone other than Hunt on this point.
2. IMO Vaughan is not playing as well as he did last year however I do agree re Sims playing well but he had him for 2 years before Graham arrived and got very little out of him. More the input from Graham than the coach IMO.
3. He had the opportunity to get Dufty into the team earlier and didn't take it and only injury forced the change. Mc Fookknuckle was on record as saying while he remained coach Dugan would be FB so doesn't that mean if we retained Dugan he would be in the 1 jumper. Any change in that area was forced on him by the injury to Aitken.
4. Should have had the decency to go elsewhere to learn the role instead of being paid to learn here. Not just him though many of our worst coaches had the same latitude.
5. f**k Gould can't stand him and don't give a shit for his opinion.
6. They are paid to listen to him and do his bidding so best they listen at half time. As to whether they idolise him or not is a mute point the key is, is what they are listening to and the tactics employed going to win us a comp. I am sure many other teams that aren't going as well as we are presently also have players that idolise their coach. I do concede that a happy playing group is better than a team of egotists.
7. Last but not least you asked for it both barrels so I obliged so no need for you to get nasty and insinuate I need pills or people to assist me. If you don't like it then best you don't ask for it.

 

[The calm one]

I read your post and just don't agree with your reasoning.

1. 1. He had halves combinations he couldn't coach and we are lucky that Hunt is a cut above all other halves we have had. I give little credit to anyone other than Hunt on this point.
2. IMO Vaughan is not playing as well as he did last year however I do agree re Sims playing well but he had him for 2 years before Graham arrived and got very little out of him. More the input from Graham than the coach IMO.
3. He had the opportunity to get Dufty into the team earlier and didn't take it and only injury forced the change. Mc Fookknuckle was on record as saying while he remained coach Dugan would be FB so doesn't that mean if we retained Dugan he would be in the 1 jumper. Any change in that area was forced on him by the injury to Aitken.
4. Should have had the decency to go elsewhere to learn the role instead of being paid to learn here. Not just him though many of our worst coaches had the same latitude.
5. f**k Gould can't stand him and don't give a shit for his opinion.
6. They are paid to listen to him and do his bidding so best they listen at half time. As to whether they idolise him or not is a mute point the key is, is what they are listening to and the tactics employed going to win us a comp. I am sure many other teams that aren't going as well as we are presently also have players that idolise their coach. I do concede that a happy playing group is better than a team of egotists.
7. Last but not least you asked for it both barrels so I obliged so no need for you to get nasty and insinuate I need pills or people to assist me. If you don't like it then best you don't ask for it.

You were the one who said I was silly at times, was getting my rocks off and you got me mixed up with someone else. You state you really don’t care what Phil Gould says, enough said, I ve heard it all now, you know more than him ? I will leave it at that

 

[ViceVersa]

From what's happened in previous years, it's obvious which people are still going through the 5 stages of grief... - Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance.
@Old Timer

 

[Old Timer]

You were the one who said I was silly at times, was getting my rocks off and you got me mixed up with someone else. You state you really don’t care what Phil Gould says, enough said, I ve heard it all now, you know more than him ? I will leave it at that

You are silly at times because you don't always comprehend the conversation as was pointed out re my discussion with Alec.
I think you are getting your rocks off because you like others did prematurely last year are jumping on the pro Mc Fookknuckle waggon and wanting to declare we keep him before season end. No need to do anything other than wait and see.
I did get mistake a post by mickeylane with you and I did apologise for my bad so need to bring that up is there?
I don't like Gould and never have so since when is that a crime?
I never said I knew more that anyone let alone Gould so don't make assertions that are knowingly incorrect.

 

[The calm one]

You are silly at times because you don't always comprehend the conversation as was pointed out re my discussion with Alec.
I think you are getting your rocks off because you like others did prematurely last year are jumping on the pro Mc Fookknuckle waggon and wanting to declare we keep him before season end. No need to do anything other than wait and see.
I did get mistake a post by mickeylane with you and I did apologise for my bad so need to bring that up is there?
I don't like Gould and never have so since when is that a crime?
I never said I knew more that anyone let alone Gould so don't make assertions that are knowingly incorrect.

Goodnight it been great debate can I go to bed now, without the body armour

 

[ViceVersa]

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[ViceVersa]

 

[ViceVersa]

Just moving this thread above the nonsensical “keep Mary” thread.

Sorry @Sheridan Stand

 

[Saints Forever]

We have the cattle to finish top 4 with a top line coach.

For me that is what would be acceptable given the forward pack and halves we have.

Poor bench rotation and failure to play Sele and Host may cost us dearly in the long run.

Mary is slowly learning.

Does the club deserve someone better. Answer yes. Will the administration be satisfied with a top 8 finish. Answer yes.

Enjoy the ride people. I certainly enjoy and respect the spirited debate.

Keep that body armour on Calm One, the fat lady is yet to enter the arena.

 

[ouryears]

Again I question the belief of people who have posted so positively and been hell bent on dismissing anyone with any negativity and then you guys take the insurance policy of missing the top 8 as the criteria for sacking him.
So as far as you're concerned it doesn't matter that we miss the top 7 spots as long as we limp into 8th it's a pass mark and he keeps his job.
No attempt by the optimists to be optimistic and raise the bar.
You dream about top 4 or maybe even 2 but you really don't want to use it as a criteria for what is acceptable.
FMD for all the stuff that has been written about how good it all is and how Mary has turned the corner improving 1 lousy spot on the ladder is good enough for you.
Impossible for me to even consider that as acceptable.

OT, but why be negative before the fact?

It's like getting married and saying to your wife on your wedding day "when we divorce".

My pass for us is top 3 and play well in the finals, hopefully make the GF, but top 3 (not just to 4) and play with pride, passion and commitment in the finals is a pass for me.

I do not understand you posting doomsday posts, referring back to years gone by when we are playing well.

What, to remind everyone things might turn bad?

I think we understand there is that risk.

But to not celebrate how well we are playing now because things might turn bad is not what makes me tick.

I clearly see our strengths and weaknesses and trust we can mitigate the risk by playing great as a team. Other teams have weaknesses we can also exploit, we are not alone with our weaknesses.

It's called salary cap.

In the meantime I will keep celebrating our wins and won't bag Mary unless it actually does go bad.

You are free to be negative about our chances, but like many I just won't read your posts. I will be in switch off mode.

 

[West coast dragon]

Again I question the belief of people who have posted so positively and been hell bent on dismissing anyone with any negativity and then you guys take the insurance policy of missing the top 8 as the criteria for sacking him.
So as far as you're concerned it doesn't matter that we miss the top 7 spots as long as we limp into 8th it's a pass mark and he keeps his job.
No attempt by the optimists to be optimistic and raise the bar.
You dream about top 4 or maybe even 2 but you really don't want to use it as a criteria for what is acceptable.
FMD for all the stuff that has been written about how good it all is and how Mary has turned the corner improving 1 lousy spot on the ladder is good enough for you.
Impossible for me to even consider that as acceptable.

You’ve read it wrong ot if we miss the eight all together then sack him but top 2 or 4 is the benchmark as far as I’m concerned now that doesn’t mean 7 is a pass mark I think top 2/4 is where we should be calling the season a success and a possible launching pad for a title shot in 2019 which is when most on this forum thought we’d be ready anyway

 

[Saint or sinner]

Anything less than top 4 is fail for me..hope we maintain the rage but origin will be a real test for mcgregor as well as injuries that may follow ..the players look happy and united in their ways so far and all talk highly of him