Kiwis Train on squad

[Penrose Warrior]

1. It seems you are writing Kemp and what he does off based on a couple media quotes about letters on intent, which every player is required to sign. I dont know how you can say the guy is doing a bad job or isn't right for the job based on a few media quotes.

2. They already are doing quite a bit of what you are suggesting with the camps etc. They really need to start selecting 3-4 of the young promising players each year for the anzac test, i wouldn't even mind if they were under 20's tbh eg from this season Papalii, jt and Kasiano should have been in the anzac test squad. This will lock guys in. In fact they should be playing a test at the end of the year/mid season against some minnow and selecting a test team of the best young players.

Yeah I probably am, because as a member of the public all I have to go on in his quotes I read, when I hear him on radio, what he's achieved (or hasn't) in the job etc. I remember him being an awful coach and I don't see or hear a lot different being applied in this situation. I don't like the bloke and from what I know of him, I don't believe he's anywhere near having the nous to make a difference in a very tricky situation. It takes a man with more brains, networking skills and mana than him.

I flip-flopped backwards and forth on your second point. I initially thought nah, that would cheapen Test football if they didn't select the best XVII, no matter what their ages/situations. But then I thought well it's already falling way back in the pecking order and is becoming cheaper by the year due to these guys who can't make their minds up whether they're Kiwis or Origin wannabes. So let's put these guys in..pick them right out of Junior Kiwis if they're near on ready. But hold on, now that they know Origin is available to them - why would they commit to these mid-year minnow bashings?

And now I wish Papalii no success in any part of his career. Hopefully one or two of these Benjamin hunters fall flat on their face and future players get gun shy about committing

 

[Skinner]

Look, if they able to turn so easily, then we don't need them anyway. I just want the ones that have a genuine loyaly to the black and white jumper. Fence sitters need not apply.

 

[Meth]

I can't do it any more. I have supported Queensland for many years. I won't be any more. I will watch Origin still, probably, because it's League on a Wednesday night- but my enthusiasm for it plummeted fatally today.

 

[ozbash]

I want every kiwi player inthe NRL to declare allegiance to either Qld or NSW.

Flood the outfit with kiwi players and destroy their silly comp.

Then they would change the rules,,, maybe..

 

[Drzoidberg]

I want every kiwi player inthe NRL to declare allegiance to either Qld or NSW.

Flood the outfit with kiwi players and destroy their silly comp.

Then they would change the rules,,, maybe..

Haha nah they won't.

Absolute disgrace! How many games do you think he'll play for qld? 8, 9 tops?

So is wiki dead? Rubes said over his dead body.

 

[MKEB...]

I am more dissappointed in Tamou playing for Aus than I am in Papalii for Qld honestly.

What does worry me though is the young players scouted from NZ highschools and having the Origin carrot dangled in front of there noses.

Hilarious though that the likes of Meninga are trying all these tactics of recruiting players to what is becoming a sports white elephant in "State of whoever you choose to play for"

 

[AuckMel]

Look, if they able to turn so easily, then we don't need them anyway. I just want the ones that have a genuine loyaly to the black and white jumper. Fence sitters need not apply.

Agreed. Go play for QLD and NSW if that's what you want.

FWIW, my son has been here since he was two and would jump at the chance to represent New Zealand at any sport.

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

Last time I watched Origin NSW held the shield. It's amazing how much my dislike of Origin has grown since living in QLD. It's easy to understand why so many league fans are blind to the damage it's actually doing to the code.

When it comes down to it, Origin has reached its peak and as a result of that so has Rugby League. Will always support the Warriors, but that's about it.

 

[Mike0070]

I had to laugh when i heard the interveiw with papalii and when he was asked "so now your going to represent queensland ?" reply " ahh yeah , pretty much"

 

[Mike0070]

Will he be lining up for the auzzies in October ?

 

[Fast Eddie]

When it comes down to it, Origin has reached its peak and as a result of that so has Rugby League. Will always support the Warriors, but that's about it.

If anything it makes me support the Kiwis more, as Skinner said those guys actually want to be there playing for the Kiwis.

 

[Mixmasterreece]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-24/interview-josh-papalii/4277766

Inspiring stuff from big papa... "ah yeah just decided and stuff because of family
And stuff like that, probably"

Had to laugh when he said "ah yeah I'll probably 100% stay in Canberra " which probably
Means he'll be playing for the knights by June.

I suggest a name change to 'Mr 100%'

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

If anything it makes me support the Kiwis more, as Skinner said those guys actually want to be there playing for the Kiwis.

There's that approach, but these watered down one off tests with half the players pulling out injured isn't anything to get excited about.

If there was a genuine series then sure, but these meaningless tests get shunted to the bits and pieces part of the RL calender.

Through all this will he or won't he with Mr 100% (Catchy Mix), the fact that PNG got to within a decent goalkicker of beating or at least drawing with an Australian team of professionals has barely rated a mention anywhere.

That's what annoys me. Origin will have advertising in January while the test will get a mention about a month out from the fixture. The amount of time, effort and hype that is put into Origin and the beast has gotten so bloated that it's becomming a hindrance to the game more than anything.

 

[Fast Eddie]

That's what annoys me. Origin will have advertising in January while the test will get a mention about a month out from the fixture. The amount of time, effort and hype that is put into Origin and the beast has gotten so bloated that it's becomming a hindrance to the game more than anything.

Not gonna find me disagreeing with that one.

 

[Blair]

I believe Papalii has lived in Qld since he was six, it's silly to believe he'd automatically play for NZ, his country of birth.

This article explains the situation a bit better:

'Blockbusting Canberra back-rower Josh Papalii has turned his back on New Zealand by pledging his representative allegiance to Queensland and Australia.

"Named in the Kiwis train-on squad for next month's rugby league Test against Australia in Townsville after playing for the Junior Kiwis in 2011, the 20-year-old is instead turning his attention to the green and gold of Australia.

His switch is another blow for the Kiwis and international rugby league, after North Queensland prop James Tamou also rejected his country of birth to turn out for NSW and the Kangaroos earlier this year.

Canterbury sensation Sam Kasiano - named prop of the year at the Dally M awards - is also at the centre of a tug-of-war over his services with both the Kiwis and Maroons laying claim to the giant front-rower.

Papalii, who moved to Australia when he was six, said he consulted with his family before making the call to go with the country in which he played all his junior football.

In 2009, Papalii represented Queensland under 18s and also played for the Queensland schoolboys.

"Family is very important for me and my family has helped me over the past few days to make the decision to make myself available for Australia and Queensland," Papalii said in a statement.

"I've lived most of my life in Queensland and played all of my junior football in Australia and if I ever get the chance to play for the Maroons or Kangaroos I would be very proud.

"I played for the Junior Kiwis last year and feel very humbled to have the chance to play for them, but in the end I knew in my heart that I want to play for where I grew up and have had so many wonderful memories."'

http://au.sports.yahoo.com/league/news/article/-/14943427/papalii-picks-maroons-over-kiwis/

This is a blow for us though. We just can't rough the Aussies up anymore like we used to. They've got one too many of our hard men coming back at us. If they get Kas then that'd be three of 'em.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

As someone said, we've got the best guy (I presume we have him) in Taumalolo.

I would be more worried if these were outside backs we were fighting over. We need those like anything. So we need to get cracking on guys like Tuivasa-Sheck, who I remember watching for Otahuhu College a couple of years ago so surely he's still tied to us.

And like Meth said, I feel different about Queensland now. I always hated NSW and that only became stronger when they lined up with a guy with Maori tats adorned upon him. Now they're going to have a Junior Kiwi in there and Mal has openly said he's harrasing these sort of guys to become Queenslanders. With such a talent pool in QLD, it's lame. Work on getting Dave Taylor to stop being such a big lazy C, get the best out of Matt Gillett, bring through the likes of Josh McGwire etc and you don't need these guys.

 

[hitro]

Sounds like there's new rules coming in whereby if you havn't played for Queensland or NSW clubs before you're 15 you can't play origin. And it's going to retrospective so Sam K (for eg) can't play for them even if he plays this year. Sounds like a big improvement.
Tony Kemp sounds like an uninspiring moron, hope someone else gets his job soon.

 

[Mixmasterreece]

As someone said, we've got the best guy (I presume we have him) in Taumalolo.

He was the 18th man for the ANZAC test.... if he turns itll be a even bigger scandal.

 

[ozbash]

Sounds like there's new rules coming in whereby if you havn't played for Queensland or NSW clubs before you're 15 you can't play origin. And it's going to retrospective so Sam K (for eg) can't play for them even if he plays this year. Sounds like a big improvement.
Tony Kemp sounds like an uninspiring moron, hope someone else gets his job soon.

ARL will find a way of shifting the goalposts..

 

[Meth]

If anything it makes me support the Kiwis more, as Skinner said those guys actually want to be there playing for the Kiwis.

yeah, totally.