Knight Russell Packer jailed for two years

[Lambretta]

You are just making generalisations with nothing to back it up. Like i've never touched roids and I had pimples on my back at that age, its called hormones.

Mate, I've been around enough gyms for enough years to recognise the signs of steroid abuse

One symptom alone isn't going to make you a roid muncher but add three or four obvious signs together and you can be 90% sure who is on them or who has tried them.

I don't need statistical analysis to recognise the signs. That's just daft.

But that's beside the point. My point was that adding alcohol to someone with an obvious hormone imbalance isn't going to end up with everyone talking flower arranging or the make up of the universe. It's going to end up with someone getting punched.

The other posters that pointed out the self obsession and sense of entitlement that so many young people display at times doesn't exactly help either.

 

[Loudstrat]

That is bloody true.

Ok, Guts and Betcats; some questions.

When did the binge drinking culture come in to vogue? In my days (1980s to early 90s), you could drink in a pub or club for normal pub prices. Therefore, there was no need to pre (if that it what it is called, these days); you could have a dozen schooners without emptying your wallet.

Rubbish. You'd finish work and get home at 5 or 6, do the sh*t, shower and shave to be at the pub by 7 because it closed at 12. Thats when binge drinking was big - time pressure. Now, kids get out at around 9 or 10 and THEN start.

Maybe its not a Gen Y thing, a roids thing, a binge drinking thing or anything else apart from the fact that Russell Packer is a dickhead.

 

[Lambretta]

As for the steroids, I think that is being very overrated because of the bloke from NYE being a bodybuilder. How do steroids factor into the Packer situation?

I said it doesn't factor into the Packer situation - but I was making the point that people blame alcohol when there are other factors involved.

Having been around agro guys in Sydney on a number of occasions I can state that steroid abuse seems to be a factor. Something the Sydney Morning Herald has also pointed out in some of the less sensational articles written on the increase in violence.

 

[magpie4ever]

Rubbish. You'd finish work and get home at 5 or 6, do the sh*t, shower and shave to be at the pub by 7 because it closed at 12. Thats when binge drinking was big - time pressure. Now, kids get out at around 9 or 10 and THEN start.

Maybe its not a Gen Y thing, a roids thing, a binge drinking thing or anything else apart from the fact that Russell Packer is a dickhead.

Loudy, you are full of shite.

Don't know whether you have kids but surely you have heard of pres - yes, they head out at 9 or 10pm, full of piss because they can't afford to drink to excess in clubs due to the price charged.

And who couldn't drink a dozen schooners in 5 hours. (7pm - 12 midnight);-) You obviously was a wimp - gin and tab kind of a guy.

 

[God-King Dean]

So it seems the solution is simple; lower the price of alcohol - by half. The world would be more safe & happier for it.

But it will never happen as we have Tony Abbott as PM, & we all know he is a Liberal right wing communist pig-dog.

 

[magpie4ever]

So it seems the solution is simple; lower the price of alcohol - by half. The world would be more safe & happier for it.

But it will never happen as we have Tony Abbott as PM, & we all know he is a Liberal right wing communist pig-dog.[/QUOTE]

Add big eared before pig-dog.

 

[Canard]

the fact that Russell Packer is a dickhead.

Nailed it.

But you know, according to some posters, "bro had it coming, so fairs fair".

 

[magpie4ever]

Nailed it.

But you know, according to some posters, "bro had it coming, so fairs fair".

Loudy calling anyone a dickhead is like comparing dickheadness.:lol: Is Loudy a bigger dickhead than Packer, or not?

 

[God-King Dean]

That's a low blow magpie.

I dare say a..... Coward punch?

 

[magpie4ever]

That's a low blow magpie.

I dare say a..... Coward punch?

True.

 

[veggiepatch1959]

You and Packer seem alike, you bloody merkin.

It seems that the majority of respondents in this thread have NEVER thrown a punch in their lives. Oh the bleeding heart do-gooders!

The place is full of hypocrites.....or down and out full on lying merkins.

 

[Izz]

It seems that the majority of respondents in this thread have NEVER thrown a punch in their lives. Oh the bleeding heart do-gooders!

The place is full of hypocrites.....or down and out full on lying merkins.

So, do you think punching and stomping someone lying motionless (and likely unconscious) on the ground is okay?

 

[Pete Cash]

That is bloody true.

Ok, Guts and Betcats; some questions.

When did the binge drinking culture come in to vogue? In my days (1980s to early 90s), you could drink in a pub or club for normal pub prices. Therefore, there was no need to pre (if that it what it is called, these days); you could have a dozen schooners without emptying your wallet.

When did steriods get into the general gym scene? Again, having played a modest level of football up to the early 90s and occasionally pushing some weights in the off season, I can attest they were not on offer to the normal gym users; at the time.

That is not to say there was no violence - there were sharpie and skinhead gangs around from the 1970s onwards.

Steroids have been about in bodybuilding for a very long time. Since the 60s for competitive bodybuilders people like Arnie, Frank Zane and Sergio Oliva all would have certainly used anabolic steroids.

By the 80s they were very common in the gym scene. Its just more kids want to be huge now I guess. That said back in the day the process was walking up to the biggest guy in the gym and just sort of going ummm so ummm what ummm supplements do you use sir where now days you can practically order them off the internet or fly to Thailand for a 13 week roid holiday.

 

[magpie4ever]

Steroids have been about in bodybuilding for a very long time. Since the 60s for competitive bodybuilders people like Arnie, Frank Zane and Sergio Oliva all would have certainly used anabolic steroids.

By the 80s they were very common in the gym scene. Its just more kids want to be huge now I guess. That said back in the day the process was walking up to the biggest guy in the gym and just sort of going ummm so ummm what ummm supplements do you use sir where now days you can practically order them off the internet or fly to Thailand for a 13 week roid holiday.

Pete, more the 1990s; I believe for the ordinary gym user.

 

[The Phelan Folly]

Its not, you talk to anyone who was visiting pubs 40 years ago and they'll tell you it was an absolute blood bath back then, much more so than today. Im young so im taking their word for it, my father recons pub fights used to be literally a daily occurance at every pub he went to... i havent seen a legit pub fight in years

the issue of today is the rules of engagement have changed and the nature of the fighters has too...
30 years ago one drunk slob would crack the shits at another drunk slob and before you knew it, 2 drunk slobs were squaring up their 100kg of flab frames in the bar face to face... and they'd trade haymakers until one slob dropped and that was that

now days you have gym rats who spar and practise mixed martial arts etc, cracking it at each other, and instead of squaring off fairly, one walks away, stews on it, waits for his moment, be it when the guy isnt looking, or he's walking out hours later having forgotten the incident or if not forgotten at least thought it had been dealt with some push and shoving and some heavy words and everyone had moved on with their night, and he runs in and blind sides the guy with the jacked up best shot... then when his victim hits the deck, it's not enough, you cant just knock a guy down anymore, you gotta kick him and punch him, or Packers chase, stomp him and when hits the deck.

That's the difference, instead of squaring up fairly and each participant kind of knows it's coming and you prepare yourself for the fight and know once you drop you've lost and it's over, now days you get blindsided and before you even know you're in a fight, your knocked clean out and this coward and probably some of his mates are kicking the crap out of you when your down.

Id agree with most of that, save for the bit about flat slobs squaring off. These blokes were mostly manual labourers & such, so they were fit and strong. At the same time, they were aiming up against blokes who were aswell.
Seems nowadays its roids merkins from the burbs teeing off on puny teenagers or office workers.

 

[Pete Cash]

Pete, more the 1990s; I believe for the ordinary gym user.

Maybe but steroids were pretty big in the 80s too. Look at the builds of BBs from the 80s onwards with the bloated roid look we are so familiar with now days.

 

[Cumberland Throw]

love some good "back in my day" banter....

Personally i blame the concrete foot paths...

back in my day i used to smash blokes, but they only hit their heads on the grass... and didnt die

 

[magpie4ever]

Maybe but steroids were pretty big in the 80s too. Look at the builds of BBs from the 80s onwards with the bloated roid look we are so familiar with now days.

Yeah, for the bodybuilders and certain athletics (and countries) but not so much for the street level dude. That is the change, how hard is it to pick up a vial of a steroid at any gym?

 

[magpie4ever]

love some good "back in my day" banter....

Personally i blame the concrete foot paths...

back in my day i used to smash blokes, but they only hit their heads on the grass... and didnt die

On your bike, dropkick.

 

[Pete Cash]

Yeah, for the bodybuilders and certain athletics (and countries) but not so much for the street level dude. That is the change, how hard is it to pick up a vial of a steroid at any gym?

To actually get steroids at the gym its the same method you go up to an obvious juicer and try and start a conversation but there are methods outside of hanging out in gym lockerrooms hoping to strike up a conversation with a big bloke about steroids. I have been lifting weights for uhh 13 years now and I have never just had a bloke offer me steroids out of the blue. I know a few guys who roid and could just ask them if I wanted to but in my experience at least around here (inner west) its not like the gym is just a shopping centre for steroids.

There are now other much easier ways of getting steroids which is a part of the problem. Many drug dealers now have testosterone or dianabol or something on hand along with other recreational substances. Like I said its not too hard to order this stuff on the internet or just save up and go on a 13 week holiday to Thailand where it can be done vastly cheaper and easier than in Australia without any legal risks.