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Tonearm Terrorwrist

Tonearm Terrorwrist

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Yep. From memory even the players publicly backed Makeleke for a pay rise then there was the ridiculous saga of Del Bosque when Perez said he wasn't up to it.. Madrid could have really dominated the mid 2000's had Perez not gone crazy with the Galactico's approach instead we'll always remember Barcelona.
 
Helmet Man

Helmet Man

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Yeah getting rid off Ozil was a clear stupid move by the club. But Di Maria, Isco and Modric have stepped it up big time in his absence. So atm we haven't missed much of Ozil.
 
Helmet Man

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WireMan said:
So not that clear it was a stupid move? :)
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Yes it was obviously. He is one of the best CAMs in the world. He is a class player. Every team wants him.

But if you have watched closely Di Maria, Isco and Modric have been exceptional.

Every Madrid fan was left dazed, confused and angry. But i guess what is done is done so we just get over with it and move on. We still have to give credit to Real Madrid for picking up the best young talent in the world right now in Isco who will be a great player in the future.

In terms of Ozil leaving i think that was the best decision for his career because he wouldn't have been a guaranteed starter at RM unfortunately. He deserves to be playing all the time because he is the best at what he does.
 
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Big Sam

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Changes at Barca...

XAVI AND INIESTA MOST AFFECTED BY DROP IN POSSESSION

Barça waves 'Tata' to 'Pep' influence

EMILIO CONTRERAS 09/23/2013

Some 17 months ago Guardiola announced his departure, and every passing day sees Martino's current Barça side look less like the 'Pep Team' of days gone by. Messi, Piqué and Alves seem to agree with the change in style, whilst others such as Xavi and Iniesta remain quiet. The latter two are those most affected by the team giving less importance to possession play – less possession means they have a less important role.

Looking at results, nobody can deny that Tata Martino's Barça has come out of the blocks like a speeding bullet. Winning the Supercopa, winning every league game so far, with 18 goals from five games, topping Champions League group H…

But the team's playing style is another story. Watching the current Barça side raises a few questions for the viewer:

1/ Why are Iniesta and Xavi less important than ever when they have been the cornerstones of the team's playing style?
2/ Why is Victor Valdés repeatedly the best in a team that has some of the world's best players?
3/ Why are the 'Azulgranas', whose game has been based on possession, partially giving up on what defined their identity and gave them so much glory?
4/ After all these years why have we heard Messi say for the first time that "there will be days that we need to park the bus"?
5/ Why did Piqué feel the need to say that Barça was a "slave to tiki-taka"?

http://www.marca.com/2013/09/23/en/football/barcelona/1379955448.html
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aqua_duck

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I think Iniesta will come good soon, Xavi on the other hand is on his last legs. Xavi is brilliant keeping possession, being patient and orchestrating the midfield, unfortunately these days you need to play quicker and more decisive, that's not Xavi's game unfortunately. Iniesta is an excellent dribbler and is very versatile, I think him and Cesc make a better midfield duo than him and Xavi. Cesc is a good enough distributor, maybe not as good as Xavi but he's abit more direct, makes very good runs into the box and is a much better finisher.
 
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WireMan

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Helmet Man said:
Yes it was obviously. He is one of the best CAMs in the world. He is a class player. Every team wants him.

But if you have watched closely Di Maria, Isco and Modric have been exceptional.

Every Madrid fan was left dazed, confused and angry. But i guess what is done is done so we just get over with it and move on. We still have to give credit to Real Madrid for picking up the best young talent in the world right now in Isco who will be a great player in the future.

In terms of Ozil leaving i think that was the best decision for his career because he wouldn't have been a guaranteed starter at RM unfortunately. He deserves to be playing all the time because he is the best at what he does.
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So it was obviously a clear stupid move selling Ozil, even though it allowed the "best young talent in the world" to play more, allowed Di Maria and Modric to shine and was the best decision for his career.

Not that clear. ;-)

Anyway it matters not. It is a stupid argument. :D


Madrid derby this weekend ain't it? Athletico to go in as favourites?
 
Helmet Man

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WireMan said:
So it was obviously a clear stupid move selling Ozil, even though it allowed the "best young talent in the world" to play more, allowed Di Maria and Modric to shine and was the best decision for his career.

Not that clear. ;-)

Anyway it matters not. It is a stupid argument. :D


Madrid derby this weekend ain't it? Athletico to go in as favourites?
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So what don't you think selling Ozil was a stupid move?

If Ozil was still at Madrid he would have been competing with Modric, Isco, Bale, Di Maria right?

He would not have gotten as much game time right?

That is why in terms of his career it was a better choice. He is only 24 and should be a guaranteed starter right?

A player who assists almost once every 79 minutes deserves to be a guaranteed starter right?

For his own personal benefit it was wise for him to leave right?

As a club decision it was a stupid move. Ozil is one of the best. He deserves to be playing and his position in the team should not have been threatened in the first place.

The club should not have bought Isco or Bale considering they already had Ozil.

But as a result of Ozil leaving it has made Isco a starter right? Now pretty much Isco has taken over Ozil's position in the team.
 
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Tommy Smith

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The refereeing in La Liga is something special.

Real Madrid scored a 97th minute penalty to win this morning away at a newly promoted team. Their was only meant to be 3 minutes of injury time! And the penalty was an absolute farce as well.

What a joke.
 
abpanther

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Tommy Smith said:
The refereeing in La Liga is something special.

Real Madrid scored a 97th minute penalty to win this morning away at a newly promoted team. Their was only meant to be 3 minutes of injury time! And the penalty was an absolute farce as well.

What a joke.
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Where to begin with one of the worst refereeing performances I have ever witnessed? Perhaps at the end, like a Tarantino film, in view of the bloodbath of woeful decisions taken: even on the final whistle, which sounded after seven minutes of stoppage time when three had been flagged up, Fernandez continued to brandish cards, issuing one to Carlos Sanchez that may well result in a suspension.

Why? Because when Fernandez pointed to the spot in the 94th minute, he carded Sanchez for a foul on Pepe. Without making too fine a point of the matter, it was Richmond Boakye who actually tangled with the Portuguese, and it is fairly improbable to confuse the two. In any case, the foul was incurred by the Real defender, who hauled the Juventus loanee to the floor in a dying swan routine off the ball that could easily have been ignored entirely.

Ronaldo hammered the penalty home to seal the win, but the Portuguese would certainly have made many friends if he had blasted over the bar or tamely shot straight at Manu Yague in the Elche goal. But it is not Ronaldo's remit to right the wrongs handed out by match officials; he is paid to win games and that is precisely what he did, shooting low to Manu's right, and he rightfully exploded with glee at the get-out-of-jail card provided by Fernandez.

Real's first goal came from a free kick awarded for a non-foul on the number 7, and the visitors should have been down to 10 men when Sergio Ramos fouled Coro, having incurred a caution earlier to rectify a defensive error when Ruben Perez nicked the ball from the Real captain.

http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/realmadrid/id/2015?cc=3436
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Helmet Man

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Ramos was lucky not to get red carded. RM shouldn't have got the foul that lead to Ronaldo's free kick. And then the injury time goal which was dodgy as f**k.

Someone check the refs bank account.
 
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WireMan

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Helmet Man said:
So what don't you think selling Ozil was a stupid move?

If Ozil was still at Madrid he would have been competing with Modric, Isco, Bale, Di Maria right?

He would not have gotten as much game time right?

That is why in terms of his career it was a better choice. He is only 24 and should be a guaranteed starter right?

A player who assists almost once every 79 minutes deserves to be a guaranteed starter right?

For his own personal benefit it was wise for him to leave right?

As a club decision it was a stupid move. Ozil is one of the best. He deserves to be playing and his position in the team should not have been threatened in the first place.

The club should not have bought Isco or Bale considering they already had Ozil.

But as a result of Ozil leaving it has made Isco a starter right? Now pretty much Isco has taken over Ozil's position in the team.
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Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.

They did buy Bale and Isco though...

Yes.

Maybe the management had a plan that Isco was going to do that. Maybe Ozil was asking for Ronaldo money and Madrid had scouted his replacement?

So maybe it was a plan, after all Ozil was offered around a long time before he left. So not a clear stupid move. In fact the opposite, as Ozil gets on with his career, Madrid have him replaced and it has allowed other players to step up. They also get back some of the Bale money.
 
Helmet Man

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WireMan said:
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.

They did buy Bale and Isco though...

Yes.

Maybe the management had a plan that Isco was going to do that. Maybe Ozil was asking for Ronaldo money and Madrid had scouted his replacement?

So maybe it was a plan, after all Ozil was offered around a long time before he left. So not a clear stupid move. In fact the opposite, as Ozil gets on with his career, Madrid have him replaced and it has allowed other players to step up. They also get back some of the Bale money.
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Well i think Isco is adding more to RM than ppl think. Besides his passing game he can also score goals which brings a different dimension to Madrid's attack.

Maybe it was a plan the whole time. We don't know. Now you put it like that i guess it wasn't as stupid as it seems.

But how much will it pay off i dont know. This mornings game against Elche showed how inconsistent Di Maria can be. So it is yet to be decided if getting rid off Ozil was the best thing to do.
 
Twizzle

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Mostly from Zidane who seems to be the Madrid PR machine. They'd be better off if he shutup imo.

Cant stand the prick.
 
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