What a load of horse shit... the best 7s teams dont have players "who just walk in".. And Lomu was in the 7s before it was pro... times have changed now.. Hayne would be no better than Lote was.. and i like your caveat "most sevens players"... so you are saying he wouldnt be better than all now?
No, I doubt he would be better than all, at least not to start with, and time certainly isn't on his side. But I guarantee to you that every Sevens team on earth would find space for Hayne. You know it and I know it.
Also, Hayne is much better than Lote, so yes he would be better than Lote... More importantly though, you mentioned Lote as if he wasn't that good - Mate, he was Australia's best winger for about 5 years! He was revered by Waratahs fans. Hayne would be a gun winger, far better than Lote, which speaks volumes as Lote was an awesome winger with the Waratahs, and even Leicester.
Highly regarderd? he was a good player, nothing more... according to the muppets on here he should have been the best centre/winger in the world.. didnt happen did it... why is that? shouldnt he have instantly been the best?
I don't know, I can't speak for other people. Gasnier WAS highly regarded and was more than a good player, he was a gun winger for Stade and became a go-to-man of sorts. There is no question that he'd be candidate for the Wallabies were he to return home to play his trade in Super Rugby.
NO question. Stade is one of the best domestic teams in the world of Rugby. At the time, quite arguably better than any of the Aus teams in the then S14. Do you even watch European Rugby?
He was crap at Rugby and no he shouldnt have been anywhere near a test team... the fact he was so poor proves that... they picked him on reputation and he was aweful... dumped him and they made the final and now England have two ex League players in their team and the lost in the qtrs... shouldnt they have won?
That's not entirely true. You're right in that he wasn't picked on any sort of Rugby ability, but popularity didn't win him a place. He was picked for his leadership, and his semi-captaincy and current position at the Saracens is evidence to the leadership he offered - Despite being crap.
You seem to be arguing he was some sort of weak link responsible for Englands poor performance in the group stages - Absolute hogwash. With or without Farrell England would have performed poorly in the group stages and well in the finals.
I also have no idea what you're trying to imply with your reference to the current world cup. Ashton was and IS, right now, one of Englands best players. Hapes was and still IS one of Englands best centers.
I'm not following your argument by mentioning them? That would be like me mentioning SBW in relation to the AB's, as if to somehow imply he's the reason for their success. It's bollocks and you know it.
The argument isnt about the US national team its about the best 7's teams... and there arent any "amateurs" in the top teams, hayne wouldnt "walk" into the top teams.
Hayne would WALK into any Sevens team he wanted to. Fiji, England, NZ, Samoa - He'd walk into them all.
And while the argument might now be about the US national team, the US national team is relevant. Several people have argued Sevens have some sort of otherworldly type demand for stamina... BULLSHIT.
The NFL dropouts who walked into the US sevens set up, and continue to do so, are proof that it's nothing more than a myth.
Sevens is a game for fringe professionals and athletes, by in large. Hayne, like any number of backs in League or Union, would walk into a national Sevens teams.
Thats garbage, complete bullshit... Umaga, Weepu, Thorn, Robbinson, Ashton have all be "accepted" as more than succcessful
Umaga and Weepu are denied to be League players. Most don't know Thorns league background, either.
The real test will be when these people are no longer playing. Tuqiri, Sailor, Rogers were all rated highly while playing. When they retired out came the calls that weren't that good.
The fact is known League players are always put down in Rugby and have to do more than anyone else to get any sort of praise. You only have to read comments from Rugby fans about SBW for the last few years.
You can't call bullshit because you're testament to my argument. You're on here acting like 100's of League players didn't walk into Rugby over the last few years.
Success is relative... according to those on here League players are so much better... if that is the case how come so few have ever been the best in the world at the position they play? of all the League converts only
Well the best is subjective, being better is subjective, everything is subjective. Rugby fans amongst themselves can't even agree who's best. Team and nationals bias always gets in the way.
While many League players might not be the best, it's unquestionable that many are AMONGST the best.
Bullshit.. its opinion based on no history.. the only ex league player to make a national 7s team didnt help them to win anything.
Again you are talking shit... there is absolutely no proof of that... Lote didnt help the Aussie team win anything, by your rekoning they should have walked in the gold medal.
Lote is a f**king winger. Rugby is won in the forwards, always. A League player will never carry a Rugby team to anything. A League player can help to capitalise on the back of great forwards(Robinson, Tuqiri). They can never carry a team. Ever.
Also 15's is a completely different game to Sevens. I would never say a League player, or 30 of them, would make a world-class 15's team, because it's fantasy.
But Sevens is a different game, and despite your code bias anyone with even the slightest understanding of Sevens knows that by in large it's a game for up and comers or those who were once on the up, but failed to crack 15's all together.
I understand where you are mate. You're a big Rugby fan and you're arguing with a bunch of merkins who can't accept anything that's good or better about Rugby. And equally I spend my time on your side of the argument, but you are wrong in this case. Sevens is not 15's. Many gun League backs, as with many gun Rugby(15's) backs, would walk into their national Sevens teams. You must know it, be reasonable for a second.
Upsets who? Tana is revered in NZ.. nobody is upset he played Junior League.
Most Rugby fans deny he's a League boy. NZ is not the world.